Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
This is where learning SKELETONIZE would be the obvious solution to a problem. Good old red and black, never go back, baby, never go back.
Ignition (MTG/Multicross, Planeswalker PC)
- Thread starter Alivaril
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- fairy tail magi: the labyrinth of magic magic the gathering magical girl lyrical nanoha (magical girl) puella magi madoka magica rwby alternate universe spoilers unreliable narrator earned your happy middle feedback appreciated life slowly gets better metaknowledge is overrated never too much fire setting knowledge not required this can only end well what could possibly go wrong?
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Hmmm... what if...
[ ] Project loud enough that he can hear "hang on, don't shoot for a second, you'll like this!"
-[ ] Summon the closest approximation to dragon we can manage
Followed by something something rescuing civilians?
[ ] Project loud enough that he can hear "hang on, don't shoot for a second, you'll like this!"
-[ ] Summon the closest approximation to dragon we can manage
Followed by something something rescuing civilians?
Madou Sutegobana
Autocorrupt has been disabled.
- Location
- Twin Realms Mandala
How many Ents can Jade summon using Ethernano? Could it be enough to distract the Hunter or Evacuate the Humans? Could Illusions distract him by making it seem we brought the whole Jungle to life?
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Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Actually, enhancement:
[X] Make sure that the Hunter gets as little of your tech as possible, then fly away.
-[x] Use techniques that let the Hunter keep thinking the spider droids belonged to the group he was hunting.
Self-destructing may be less effective than having the parasites catch full-power shots from the rifle that the Hunter is using, since exotic materials are presumably part of what we're trying to keep out of ADVENT's hands. As an added bonus, note that the the Hunter currently doesn't realize there's a third party involved yet.
[X] Make sure that the Hunter gets as little of your tech as possible, then fly away.
-[x] Use techniques that let the Hunter keep thinking the spider droids belonged to the group he was hunting.
Self-destructing may be less effective than having the parasites catch full-power shots from the rifle that the Hunter is using, since exotic materials are presumably part of what we're trying to keep out of ADVENT's hands. As an added bonus, note that the the Hunter currently doesn't realize there's a third party involved yet.
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- Location
- A single human dimension
- Pronouns
- She/Her
. . . Zero, just like its rank?
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You'd have to fly low enough that it wouldn't really be stealth by that point (invisible object disturbing jungle canopy). If he were out in open fields, you might've been able to do that, but you doubt you'll ever catch him in such a convenient place.
Almost certainly not. Bind spells are hard enough to manage against normal humans. An augmented human already in a combat situation would dodge easily. Maybe if they were using a particularly difficult soul-based ability at the time, but the Hunter doesn't seem to have any of those. If Binds didn't make noise, you could hit him while he was aiming down his scope, but they do. (And no, you cannot have Agneyastra use Tarnkappe to selectively hide the manifestation sound.)
Your dragons would die within one or maybe two shots. An (optionally explosive) phoenix might've fared better if he didn't hit the core, but you somehow suspect he would. (Jade is going to prioritize updating/improving her constructs after this; consider her rather disgruntled)
- Location
- Earth
[X] set everything within a couple kilometers on fire. Not with linker core magic though. Cast Pyroclasm.
Edit: when has setting ourselves on fire ever let us down?
Edit: when has setting ourselves on fire ever let us down?
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- Location
- florida
Please dont kill all those
- Location
- A single human dimension
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[obligatory]"One who reads?" Apparently not.[/obligatory]
EDIT: I mean, unless the reference to Pyroclasm was itself a joke, in which case carry on.
- Location
- Bowling Green
[X] Fly the Stalker to within 400 meters of the Chosen Hunter and telepathically speak to him.
-[X] Ask him if he can point you to the Seeker's fortress, you want to talk to her about stealing your Space Princess bit.
--[X] Offer him eighty Parasites to hunt for the directions, and letting the humans flee. Given as the Hunter seems to be a bit of a thrill-seeker, having a horde of killer droids chase him seems like the sort of thing he'd enjoy. It's not like he has the best track record of obedience anyway; you think the Ethereals would barely bat an eye if he "accidentally" let yet another group escape.
-[X] If he wont stand down, have your parasites self destruct, stow the stalker and leave.
-[X] Ask him if he can point you to the Seeker's fortress, you want to talk to her about stealing your Space Princess bit.
--[X] Offer him eighty Parasites to hunt for the directions, and letting the humans flee. Given as the Hunter seems to be a bit of a thrill-seeker, having a horde of killer droids chase him seems like the sort of thing he'd enjoy. It's not like he has the best track record of obedience anyway; you think the Ethereals would barely bat an eye if he "accidentally" let yet another group escape.
-[X] If he wont stand down, have your parasites self destruct, stow the stalker and leave.
- Location
- A Table Near You
If it was only a stand-up fight I'd be fine staying, but the problem is the overall risk/reward for this encounter is awful. It's all potential downside for very little reward.
Reward: friendly contact with the resistance, if these guys are part of a larger group. But if they're not, or otherwise don't have a quick evacuation prepared, then they're screwed anyway—Hunter knows their location, and he or ADVENT will surely be back.
Risk: our greater strategic objectives on this plane by revealing our capabilities too early. Also, if the Stalker gets noticed and shot while we're exiting it (unlikely but possible when dealing with a Sniping specialist with enhanced senses), our operations on all planes would be crippled until Sidereal builds us another one.
- Location
- Tarn-Vedra
[X] Have the remaining four Parasites self-destruct, then fly away yourself.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
For the "self-destruct" folks: The Hunter does not know that we are present and credits the spider droids to the resistance people he's hunting. If we self-destruct the droids en mass it will be obvious that someone is attempting to conceal their technology. That would be a major strategic fail. We should instead cause the droids to charge the Hunter and be sufficiently-well obliterated, thereby concealing our involvement.
- Location
- Finland
[X] Have the remaining four Parasites self-destruct, then fly away yourself.
Just seeing them is enough, if we later meet with ADVENT, and we yet might, they may learn about the droids and put 1 and 1 together.
Just picking self destruct and leave lets us say later that we were just studying the humans, attacking The Hunter can lead to complications.
The Hunter does not need to know spider droids are ours.
Just seeing them is enough, if we later meet with ADVENT, and we yet might, they may learn about the droids and put 1 and 1 together.
Just picking self destruct and leave lets us say later that we were just studying the humans, attacking The Hunter can lead to complications.
Just a reminder, we can teleport. I remember it being mentioned earlier that we can open portals between any non-magically shielded points in a greater than planetary range. We can evacuate them.
This may just personal preference, but I don't want to play as the kind of person who would leave hundreds of people to die for the sake of convenience. This isn't like Magnostadt where it wasn't like people were dying right that moment, so we could afford to try the diplomatic path. People are dying, or will be dying very shortly and only we can do anything to stop it.
Not only would leaving them seem entirely too much like what the ancient Agni would do, it would make Nanoha sad.
[X] Loop around to behind the Hunter, exit the Stalker, fly up, and fill his general area with a Celestial Lance or nine. Unless his flesh is made of solid alien metal, which you sincerely doubt, he should die eventually. As long as you stagger your shots, glowing gold light should block his view of the surrounding area until after you've hit him with yet another Celestial Lance.
-[x] Channel Black on the off chance it helps. You're not sure if it will, but if there's a color suited for making things stay dead it would be that.
That said I am willing to negotiate on specifics. Somewhat unsure if the channel is a good idea, but kinda want to give it a shot.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
If they know that a third party was present they will have to ask all sorts of interesting questions like "why did we not detect the command+control transmissions" and "why were they there" and so on and so forth. I would not be surprised if they were able to infer that we were there under stealth. WoG is that they can't detect us right now primarily because they don't know they need to build and deploy the appropriate detection technology. If they start deploying that tech we will have lost a major advantage that we could probably preserve for months, certainly multiple kills on multiple Chosen. Losing that advantage would be a major loss. Even if they don't lose the stealth in particular, they'd know that there was another actor present, which totally fucks up our entire "go around learning things before anyone realizes we exist" strategy.
We don't need to attack the Hunter. He'd be perfectly fine shooting them as long as they made sufficiently interesting targets.
The Ethereals' entire philosophy is that fighting leads to friendship. They won't give a fuck if we attack the Hunter here. It'd probably win us points.
"They'll learn about it eventually" is not an acceptable reason to throw away advantages for no benefit. Like, let's take a real-world example. People were going to learn that the allies broke ENIGMA eventually. But the advantage they gained in the meantime was huge.
No. Read our QM's posts from about twenty pages ago about how doing this is such a terrible idea that Jade would flat-out veto it. Channeling in general is a bad idea outside controlled circumstances. Channeling Black is particularly awful.
lancelot
Completely worth it
Fuck playing nice with the aliens, one side invaded and killed most of the population. Trying to make it look like both sides have good reasons for doing what their doing is ridiculous at this point, and your trying to hard to force that idea.
[X] Loop around to behind the Hunter, exit the Stalker, fly up, and fill his general area with a Celestial Lance or nine. Unless his flesh is made of solid alien metal, which you sincerely doubt, he should die eventually. As long as you stagger your shots, glowing gold light should block his view of the surrounding area until after you've hit him with yet another Celestial Lance.
[X] Loop around to behind the Hunter, exit the Stalker, fly up, and fill his general area with a Celestial Lance or nine. Unless his flesh is made of solid alien metal, which you sincerely doubt, he should die eventually. As long as you stagger your shots, glowing gold light should block his view of the surrounding area until after you've hit him with yet another Celestial Lance.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
[X] Loop around to behind the Hunter, exit the Stalker, fly up, and fill his general area with a Celestial Lance or nine. Unless his flesh is made of solid alien metal, which you sincerely doubt, he should die eventually. As long as you stagger your shots, glowing gold light should block his view of the surrounding area until after you've hit him with yet another Celestial Lance.
-[x] Channel Black on the off chance it helps. You're not sure if it will, but if there's a color suited for making things stay dead it would be that.
Not sure about channeling black rather then red, but if that's what you want. Channeling black seems likely to lead to Jade taking the selfish run away option.
-[x] Channel Black on the off chance it helps. You're not sure if it will, but if there's a color suited for making things stay dead it would be that.
Not sure about channeling black rather then red, but if that's what you want. Channeling black seems likely to lead to Jade taking the selfish run away option.
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Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Playing nice? We're backing off without revealing any of our capabilities so that we can come back in force and kill them harder next time.
Also, not sure if you've ever played XCOM. Yes, one side definitely started it. By now it really is a "both sides" situation. We do in fact need to purge this entire plane's political situation with fire and install ourselves as a benevolent goddess.
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Looked up the post. Alivaril said she'd veto it while trying to help others. Conversely, trying to kill someone seems like exactly the time to try and channel it.
- Location
- Finland
I kinda assume they would know we were here regardless.
I mean, how would they not, spider bots are new, nobody else has them, and this group of rebels does not look like they have the capacity to fabricate something like that. Now, if we had the means to kill the Hunter, to a point where they can be resurrected with any memories, that would be different, but i am not sure we have that capability.
As for killing Chosen, the moment we take out a chosen, alarms will go off. Every Chosen is going to use every detection resource they have to find who ever it was who killed one of them.
Well, this isn't good. I am very skeptical of the Hunter being able to shoot down a missile, though - he is using a handheld weapon. He is aiming with his hands and his brain. Missiles are fast. Sure, lasers are faster, but his reaction times are not zero. He should not be able to shoot down fast projectiles. If he was fast enough, he'd be completely untouchable.
Honestly, just withdrawing would be the best option here. If still a bad one - we already revealed the drones. This means ethereals will be escalating. And x-com is unprepared for that.
Honestly, just withdrawing would be the best option here. If still a bad one - we already revealed the drones. This means ethereals will be escalating. And x-com is unprepared for that.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
If killing something well channeling black I would sort of expect BlackJade to come up with a way to sacrifice it for power.
Shame we have never channeled black before. A black red channel would be perfect for when you really want to kill something.
- Location
- A single human dimension
- Pronouns
- She/Her
While this would ordinarily be a pretty good time to try it, you don't have enough Black right now to get much mileage out of channeling Black (barring draining large amounts of jungle for power). At least, not without using a fire-aligned Wrath of God, converting it to Red, concerting that to Black, then channeling Black. But, well, that visual display would be rather conspicuous.
Agneyastra's primary concern is that if the Parasites are destroyed, they're built with redundant self-destruct mechanisms. If a missile is disabled, the TSAB didnt include any such safeguards. So you can choose to strafe the Hunter, Agneyastra is just opposed to it out to simple caution.
Actually, the Parasite Droids are perfectly in line with what a few independent engineers have been using to defend secluded settlements. XCOM and EXALT even have flying drones with budding artificial intelligences.
You also don't really think the Ethereals are going to escalate until and unless XCOM actually does something harmful with any of new technologies. Ethereals seem to have some pretty major blind spots as far as risks are concerned, possibly born from the baffling "If your soul is strong, you're a person, and since we gave you personhood, you'll understand the actions we undertook." Or something like that, anyway.
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