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Ignition (MTG/Multicross, Planeswalker PC)

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saganatsu said:
correct me if I'm wrong, but if we kill him, he doesn't stay dead?
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Correct. They do technically have a limited number of lives, but you're pretty sure the Hunter has a prohibitively high number of those left.

EDIT: The "fly away" has been changed from an outright veto to a 2 vote penalty.

EDIT 2: Fixed the accidentally'd sentence involving the ADVENT rifle.
 
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Hmmmm....

Something that is cool, flashy, and destructive. But doesn't actually give away that much about out power?

Summoned creatures?

They are good but not anywhere near our best.

Also there is no way in hell he would pass up fighting a motherfucking dragon.
 
zxzx24 said:
Summoned creatures?
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The land you're currently on is only just barely worth a single mote of Green. After summoning your friends, you don't have the mana for any copied summons except a ferret or Mitra, either of whom you expect the Hunter would find rather underwhelming. You could make a Construct, but those would start to collapse after just one shot.

NemoMarx said:
Why a flat penalty instead of a multiplier? Just curious. This is the first time I've seen it done this way.
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Because calibrating the percentage to not require an unfairly overwhelming lead is a PITA

...It'll be less complicated and easier to read from a phone. :V
 
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Alivaril said:
The land you're currently on is only just barely worth a single mote of Green. After summoning your friends, you don't have the mana for any copied summons except a ferret or Mitra, either of whom you expect the Hunter would find rather underwhelming. You could make a Construct, but those would start to collapse after just one shot.
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Hmmm.

We could always promise him something later.

Or just toss the robots if we're going to do that. We have metal to spare. I think.
 
I feel as if I should point out exactly what the hunter says to open things up.
Alivaril said:
"You know, I think that's the first time I've ever gotten to shoot a robot spider. I don't suppose you have more — you do! What fun. And here I'd thought you were all out of tricks."
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I don't care how insane you are, if you see a robotic kill spider wandering around, your first assumption should not be that more of them = not a one trick pony.

This either indicates the hunter is aware of more than just the predator drones, or that the people he's been hunting till now have been significantly more clever than their current situation would lead us to believe.
 
How long has it been now since Jade's had an actual fight on her hands anyway? This is almost novel :V
zxzx24 said:
Also there is no way in hell he would pass up fighting a motherfucking dragon.
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Sadly we can't manage a worthwhile dragon. We really need to put more work into proper constructs and suchlike. Phoenixes, dragons, the works :)
Something we can do at the same time as overchanneling practice!
EDIT: Also, work on phoenix = work on wings!

As for right now, I don't see any terrible issues with tossing spiders at him, though I'd rather not do telepathy with the psionic Chosen of the psionic d00ds. He might not manage to get past our starfire defense, but I don't really want to chance that without more, proper, mental defense training.
 
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What the fuck kind of bad luck is this? We go looking for a random tiny settlement to look at and run into a fucking Chosen?

[] You promised your friends that you were only going to be scouting. No engagement for you, certainly not against a member of the quirky miniboss squad. Withdraw.
[] Make sure ADVENT doesn't get any samples of your technology.
[] Do not fly away; the Stalker may have been detected and is way too valuable to lose. Land, get out of the Stalker looking like you're going to engage, stash it as suddenly as possible, and planeswalk out.

I can think of at least three or four ways to kill this asshole, probably without even revealing too many capabilities, but we made promises and have landed in absolutely awful terrain. This is not exactly the time.
 
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Anonnermus said:
As for right now, I don't see any terrible issues with tossing spiders at him, though I'd rather not do telepathy with the psionic Chosen of the psionic d00ds. He might not manage to get past our starfire defense, but I don't really want to chance that without more, proper, mental defense training.
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If the Chosen Hunter is a soul mage, you think it'd be for something subtle like personal enhancement. You know he has a pistol, sniper rifle, stun grenades, and a grappling hook, but unlike some of his siblings, you don't think he's ever used any sort of direct "psionic" attack.

Vebyast said:
What the fuck kind of bad luck is this? We go looking for a random tiny settlement to look at and run into a fucking Chosen?
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Natural 1d100=1, yo. Considering the free hidden caches given from 1d40-37 and rolling a 40, then more caches from 37-32 and rolling a 37, then 32-something and getting a 31, I think it's safe to say Fortuna is in a mischievous mood.

EDIT: Perhaps you will appease her by sending a copy of Yuuno, Avatar of Mischief, to destroy your enemies. :V (no but seriously Jade doesn't want to see even a copy of her pet get shot, so that idea is out)

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Vebyast said:
[] Do not fly away; the Stalker may have been detected and is way too valuable to lose. Land, get out of the Stalker looking like you're going to engage, stash it as suddenly as possible, and planeswalk out.
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Stashing and extracting the Stalker takes entirely too long to make that practical. Also, if they didn't know about the Stalker's stealth, they certainly would once you turned it off to climb out. You're pretty sure the Ethereals don't currently have anything capable of detecting the Stalker's stealth, but much of that is because they don't realize they need it.
 
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Question: can we loot the Chosen's body and equipment if we bombard him or will it destroy everything ?
I think his gear stuff should be particularly resistant and of much higher quality / usefulness than whatever else we could get, but if the Celestial Lances are like Disintegration then it's hardly worth the effort.
 
Ayashi said:
Question: can we loot the Chosen's body and equipment if we bombard him or will it destroy everything ?
I think his gear stuff should be particularly resistant and of much higher quality / usefulness than whatever else we could get, but if the Celestial Lances are like Disintegration then it's hardly worth the effort.
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You think the Elders put some weird soul-based teleport beacon on the equipment of Chosen, making stealing it the closest thing to impossible. This also lets them recall the corpses of Chosen should they fall in combat.

EDIT: Of course, hope springs eternal and overwhelming amounts of magic can gum up a lot of important systems. In other words: You don't know.

EDIT 2: Well, voting is unlocked, I suppose. :I
 
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Alivaril said:
Correct. They do technically have a limited number of lives, but you're pretty sure the Hunter has a prohibitively high number of those left.
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Quick question, do we know whether his 'immortality' works by beaming his consciousness to backup bodies whenever his current one is rendered nonfunctional, or if it's a matter of him being restored from a backup?

In the first case, we can permanently harm him by attacking his mind/soul, since that doesn't get healed by resleeving. In the second, as long as we make sure to kill the fucker before he can update his backup, then 'he' won't know what happened here once this iteration dies and the Ethereals spin up his alpha fork.
 
We really can't save these people, can we? Nowhere to secure them on this plane, no guarantee that the Chosen would leave them be with either solution. Once we are gone, he will go right back after them.

Maybe we should use this encounter to study him and try to figure out a way to perma-kill Chosen (or, at least, this one)?

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"I don't believe that is relevant, Jade. A hundred times their number die on this world on a weekly basis. Their only advantage is one of proximity to you."
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At least you tried, Agneyastra.
 
:o :rofl:

Wow. I realize we rolled a natural 1, but in-universe, I'd say the chances of running into a Chosen so soon was way less than that. Are you sure you want this to have a 1-in-100 chance, @Alivaril? Cause, uh, we'll be running into the Chosen fairly often with that kind of encounter rate.

Anyway, unless someone can come up with a very compelling reason to stay, we should leave. I think we can probably take him, but it's not worth risking the Stalker or revealing ourselves to the enemy minibosses so early. GTFO.

[X] Have the remaining four Parasites self-destruct, then fly away yourself.
 
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[X] Loop around to behind the Hunter, exit the Stalker, fly up, and fill his general area with a Celestial Lance or nine. Unless his flesh is made of solid alien metal, which you sincerely doubt, he should die eventually. As long as you stagger your shots, glowing gold light should block his view of the surrounding area until after you've hit him with yet another Celestial Lance.
-[x] Channel Red for extra fire power. This guy is immortal so there is no reason to hold back.

As for accusations that I try to use channeling for everything. That is because channeling is useful for everything.
 
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Alivaril said:
You think the Elders put some weird soul-based teleport beacon on the equipment of Chosen, making stealing it the closest thing to impossible. This also lets them recall the corpses of Chosen should they fall in combat.

EDIT: Of course, hope springs eternal and overwhelming amounts of magic can gum up a lot of important systems. In other words: You don't know.

EDIT 2: Well, voting is unlocked, I suppose. :I
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Yeah, so something like a DC90+ to have any loot at all from him.
Considering this, i'm going to assume the main result of killing the Hunter is to make a social link with who ever is in the base. That can in turn be traded in for whatever tech they have, or be cultivated as a safe base to return to latter on.
I don't feel either of those are worth revealing Jade presence, (partial) abilities and putting her life (or at least body) in danger. As such time to GTFO.

[X] Have the remaining four Parasites self-destruct, then fly away yourself.
 
curiosity said:
It's a remotely controlled body, like with our soul gem, but on a much bigger range.
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I vote we play for time and try to trace where his consciousness is housed, then drop a KKV on it from orbit.

Even if on-site defenses can keep that from outright killing him, I'm willing to bet this "Hunter" will piss himself and run the moment he realizes that his life is actually in danger, especially if we throw a handful of disposable bots in afterward to make it look like a concerted effort to assassinate him. Best case scenario, they don't have beefy enough shields to stop a makeshift rod from God, and all of their "Chosen" are kept in one place, so the attack goes through and sends the lot of them straight to Hell.

The Ethereals won't be happy, but that's not really our problem. Their entire ideology hinges on the idea that spiritual strength is equivalent to morality - they've butchered entire civilizations without a moment's hesitation because of how utterly secure they are in their own perceived superiority.

I see no reason not to show them what the headsman's axe feels like when you're not the one wielding it.
 
Nachtigall said:
Two? The weapons are a maybe, and where's the second? Or do you really think they'll accept an escape button that may teleport them in front of an enemy battleship if they're unlucky?
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You think XCOM would, actually. If they need to use an emergency escape button, they're already in deep shi—

GardenerBriareus said:
Quick question, do we know whether his 'immortality' works by beaming his consciousness to backup bodies whenever his current one is rendered nonfunctional, or if it's a matter of him being restored from a backup?

In the first case, we can permanently harm him by attacking his mind/soul, since that doesn't get healed by resleeving. In the second, as long as we make sure to kill the fucker before he can update his backup, then 'he' won't know what happened here once this iteration dies and the Ethereals spin up his alpha fork.
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I've been ninja'd on this, but Soul Obelisks are longer-ranged Soul Gems, yep. Or at least, they have the functionality of them (controlling bodies from range). Soul damage would cause them all sorts of problems if you can manage it.

Sapient_Ham said:
Wow. I realize we rolled a natural 1, but in-universe, I'd say the chances of running into a Chosen so soon was way less than that. Are you sure you want this to have a 1-in-100 chance, @Alivaril? Cause, uh, we'll be running into the Chosen fairly often with that kind of encounter rate.
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The Chosen are going to be appearing fairly often if you regularly head into combat scenarios while also providing them enough time to show up. This time, you had the slight misfortune to stumble across an ongoing hunt, but you're still safely stealthed. The set of probabilities was also dramatically narrowed by the Hunter's current actions and the fact that you're searching for a specific target that overlaps with those actions. In other words, this wasn't a random encounter roll (I don't think I've done any of those in a while). It was a modified search results roll.

What you won't find on nearly every table is an Ethereal. They're not coming out to get shot, thank you very much. (Obviously, If you raid their citadel(s?), they're not going to sit around and psionically twiddle their withered arms)
 
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[X] Have the remaining four Parasites self-destruct, then fly away yourself.

Edit: I'm still more then a little wary from the Calypso incident
 
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fictionfan said:
@Alivaril : Could we hit him with a sleep spell from stealth? Maybe if we channel blue for extra skill?
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Maybe once you're more skilled, but for now, you can't remotely control Blue mana through a solid object with the degree of skill required. It'd be hard enough with a Red spell. So, yes, blue channeling might let you do that. However, you're not even sure it would work on him; you haven't practiced against anyone with their soul separated from their body.

GardenerBriareus said:
Best case scenario, they don't have beefy enough shields to stop a makeshift rod from God, and all of their "Chosen" are kept in one place, so the attack goes through and sends the lot of them straight to Hell.
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You know the Chosen have separate fortresses; the Soul-obelisk range of each does not cover the entire world, only their territory (and a little extra).
 
Alivaril said:
Maybe once you're more skilled, but for now, you can't remotely control Blue mana through a solid object with the degree of skill required. It'd be hard enough with a Red spell. So, yes, blue channeling might let you do that. However, you're not even sure it would work on him; you haven't practiced against anyone with their soul separated from their body.
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Could we burn him from stealth?
 
Ah, our stealth is still intact? Cool.

[X] Have the remaining four Parasites self-destruct, then fly away yourself.

fictionfan said:
Could we burn him from stealth?
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I believe the issue is that we don't yet know if we'd kill him with the first shot, and we don't yet have enough info on their capabilities to be able to risk a stand-up fight.
 
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