well, we still have on more turn for the mountain passage don't we? We've gotta finish that first. It'll even connect us with our mountain camp, which should make the reinforcement of the Merntir easier. That and raiding is probably our only real option. Unless there is an upgraded version of raiding based off of our choice.
Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest
- Thread starter Oshha
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Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
We have 7 more progress to go before we get a clear path to the Mentir. Hopefully the war will be over by then...
Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
- Location
- Behind You
I hope the Khan becomes immortal like those Lowland Heroes.
yeah, but only 1 more before we've got that base camp in the mountains connected to. Which certainly isn't enough, but is more of a connection than before, and should work well as a way point/staging ground if nothing else. Either way, we have to finish it this coming turn. Or else take penalties and potentially lose progress. So, that and raiding/upgraded equivalent are probably our best actions.
- Location
- Illinois
[X] Regular Warriors. Following the barbaric ways of the lowlanders, the People will train large numbers of warriors to fight for the People. This will give more fighters for the People, but some will be unhappy at following the barbarian ways of the lowlands (+1 Temp Martial, -1 Legitimacy, Gain Value Quality Of Its Own)
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
You want an immortal monstrosity with a silver tongue, inhuman martial prowess and that will most likely hate our guts?I hope the Khan becomes immortal like those Lowland Heroes.
ME TOO! What better nemesis could you wish for?
Knight Draco
Tea Sipping Advocate of the Devil
- Location
- North America
You're both insane.
Obviously the battle royale down south is where the fun is at.
Obviously the battle royale down south is where the fun is at.
Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
- Location
- Behind You
We can bring the Khan down to the Lowlands!
Knight Draco
Tea Sipping Advocate of the Devil
- Location
- North America
in all honesty though.
We lost one of our heroes
the other one is fairly old, but thanks to him also being a tech hero, he gave us plenty of military innovations to help fight the enemy as a whole.
Now it's just only pretty much our Goddess's chosen, a martial hero of the cateyes regiment, trained in both the ways of the Arthryians and Lowlanders, and blessed to be above that with the power of the goddess, to be able to confront the enemy hero head on in a battle and not die.
Best chance to kill him is to have her use a poison bow and go for an assassination, skyrim shadow archer style.
So here is what I was thinking, Next turn we do a raid along with the passage. We launch a raid on the enemy. Cateyes begin the ambush and hit the enemy with arrows. Holy Hoplites storm the field and fight them directly with cateyes support. (y'know, given our cat themed names, I think I'll call the holy warriors catclaws from now on) During the chaos, Evalyn goes in for the kill and tries to kill the hero. (preferably at a range and with poisoned weaponry. Even if he lives after, so long as we glance him with poison, it should keep him injured and gives some more time as a window of opportunity.
We lost one of our heroes
the other one is fairly old, but thanks to him also being a tech hero, he gave us plenty of military innovations to help fight the enemy as a whole.
Now it's just only pretty much our Goddess's chosen, a martial hero of the cateyes regiment, trained in both the ways of the Arthryians and Lowlanders, and blessed to be above that with the power of the goddess, to be able to confront the enemy hero head on in a battle and not die.
Best chance to kill him is to have her use a poison bow and go for an assassination, skyrim shadow archer style.
So here is what I was thinking, Next turn we do a raid along with the passage. We launch a raid on the enemy. Cateyes begin the ambush and hit the enemy with arrows. Holy Hoplites storm the field and fight them directly with cateyes support. (y'know, given our cat themed names, I think I'll call the holy warriors catclaws from now on) During the chaos, Evalyn goes in for the kill and tries to kill the hero. (preferably at a range and with poisoned weaponry. Even if he lives after, so long as we glance him with poison, it should keep him injured and gives some more time as a window of opportunity.
- Location
- Toronto, Canada
By the walls, I mean that the ones that the Merntir build, while the Arthwyd send troops to garrison them and possibly help in construction (likely just narrative-wise). Probably also putting a small garrison on the mountain outpost as an insurance, and to build improvements there. Agreeing on next main turn actions.
Really? I wasn't there in PoC, so I don't know. Puts a damper on my plans in any case. Hoping that the walls will be enough to even the odds, and that the levies get a week or two of training before being shipped there (where they may be able to get some more training, crossing fingers).
D'aww, shame that. At least the craftsmen will be afforded a measure of respect, either for somehow managing to keep up with the huge amount of equipment ordered or for producing good quality equipment that took down Vervov. Maybe.
[X] Regular Warriors. Following the barbaric ways of the lowlanders, the People will train large numbers of warriors to fight for the People. This will give more fighters for the People, but some will be unhappy at following the barbarian ways of the lowlands (+1 Temp Martial, -1 Legitimacy, Gain Value Quality Of Its Own)
nkd1325
KNIGHT OF ORANGE
- Location
- AT HIS MAJESTY'S SIDE
[X] Sacred Warriors. The People shall not follow the barbaric practices of the lowlands, but shall train warriors that serve the goddesses in sacred duty. They shall be few in number and take more resources to train, but it will make the People happier and they shall be better than regular warriors. (-1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture, +1 Stability, Gain Value Sacred War)
- Location
- Somewhere
Nomads = Vervov the Warrior Toungue with no Rival, genius Martial, and hero diplo.
4 heroes.
Merntir = 1 young martial hero named Cadyn/Cadyl, alive.
Merntir = 1 old tech hero named Curyn, alive, but for how much longer?
Playerr faction = 1 old martial hero named Malbyn, dead.
Player faction = 1 young martial hero named Evelyn, alive.
Osha altered Cadyl's name for some reason, gender-bend from male to big boobed female with no back pain?
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- Location
- United States
I'm assuming that was just a typo, as Cadyn has been consistently referred to as a man.
I also don't recall any gender bending shenanigans going on with any of the mortals in our civ, so I'm not sure why that point keeps coming up.
- Location
- Somewhere
Because the All Seer divinity got gender-bent from male to female, and the player civ hasn't had a male great person they remember? Our civ also isn't human Osha says they are, but they can't have genetic diversity. Divinity gene locked our civ to 'isn't it great everyone has big chests?'. We should be stuck in a gene lock, but there will probably be an excuse to pass it away as inconsequential.
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- United States
There are literally two male Great People in our civ right now, so that disproves your point.
I'm also more inclined to trust the word of the QM over yours on such matters, no offense.
- Location
- Somewhere
So we don't need to build the mountain pass to control the Mentir, and have them truly be our civ? When did that happen?
The Mentir heroes are not our male great persons, they are the Mentir's heroes. The culture who got a divinity gender bent to be more easily absorbed by the player faction. The player civ made no true remark about changing a divine's gender, almost as if the player civ sees females as superior to men all the time.
The All-Seeress didn't have a gender before, so they didn't get gender bent, just got a gender at all.
- Location
- United States
Oshha has made it clear several times that the Mentir consider themselves to be the same civ as the Arthwyd at this point, and the only reason we don't directly control them action wise is that we don't have fast enough access to them.
You're definitely reading into the idea of female superiority though.
- Location
- Sydney
Mass combat and formation fighting, ho!
Okay, with that out of the way, my rationale for picking this choice is that my intention is to hunker down, build fortifications, and man them to secure the settlements we still have and our supply lines, while the Cateyes do their spec ops stuff (it's guerrilla warfare, the 'little war' in Spanish, not gorilla which is an animal. It kills me in the inside whenever the latter is used).
And then, we'll wait until we've got a big enough concentration of troops that are drilled enough to take the field and not be cannonfodder, or some other opportunity presents itself. We are on the defending side, and I don't think that the boarfolk can interdict our naval routes, so we may be able to win via exhaustion. This might stretch our naval transport capacity to the limit though.
I'm seeing the option not so much as getting a random farmer and telling them to go fight with minimal training. Rather, I'm seeing it as a way to start getting drill and training masters to train large bodies of warriors and then keeping the institutional knowledge when we demobilise. Also, it may be a start to a burgeoning armaments industry. (Military-Industrial complex, ho!)
Quantity has a Quality Of Its Own is large numbers of low quality fighters (ie untrained farmers).
The increased numbers have to come from somewhere, and in this case they come from our farmers. The problem is the farmers will not be growing crops while off fighting, and when they die we have less farmers (and therefore less food production).
Smaller elite units are far more mobile than masses of untrained farmers. One or two can be quickly transported on our small boats to help fight the nomads. Our shipping is not able to transport our regular units, let alone masses of farmers. The completion of the passage will allow us to move larger forces, but the farmers will still travel relatively slowly.
[X] Regular Warriors. Following the barbaric ways of the lowlanders, the People will train large numbers of warriors to fight for the People. This will give more fighters for the People, but some will be unhappy at following the barbarian ways of the lowlands (+1 Temp Martial, -1 Legitimacy, Gain Value Quality Of Its Own)
I'm thinking we got enough issues with fanaticism without doubling down on it. Theres more than one way to overboost a trait.
What killed them was being stuck in a Catch-22, they could not fix the poor agriculture as they were invested into wars they couldn't pull out of, nor peace out of, between their sacred war trait, their beliefs on death and their justice trait, what happened is that their leadership more or less derived legitimacy FROM the centuries long war. Pulling out would require that a theocracy announce their their god was wrong all these years.
I'm thinking we got enough issues with fanaticism without doubling down on it. Theres more than one way to overboost a trait.
Poor agriculture was their environment.
What killed them was being stuck in a Catch-22, they could not fix the poor agriculture as they were invested into wars they couldn't pull out of, nor peace out of, between their sacred war trait, their beliefs on death and their justice trait, what happened is that their leadership more or less derived legitimacy FROM the centuries long war. Pulling out would require that a theocracy announce their their god was wrong all these years.
[X] Sacred Warriors. The People shall not follow the barbaric practices of the lowlands, but shall train warriors that serve the goddesses in sacred duty. They shall be few in number and take more resources to train, but it will make the People happier and they shall be better than regular warriors. (-1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture, +1 Stability, Gain Value Sacred War)
- Location
- Somewhere
Osha has also made it clear that Osha is treating the Mentir as a seperate civ from the Arthwyd until the connection is completed. Seriously, a good boat connection will possibly never be enough of a connection? While the Mentir consider themselves Arthwyd they are currently not Arthwyd in every way that matters to put them as our civ. The Arthwyd even call the Mentir heroes members of the Mentir instead of fellow citizens of the Arthwyd in this update.