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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
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That's the important bit. Doesn't matter if they realize the major powers are doing it, they're already big targets. If instant cooperation goes through then we should voluntarily stay out of it until we finish merging with the Dragons.
Doomed Wombat
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With all that said I think its fine by me.
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Not by much and considering the major threat to them is da orks especially the level 4s that's not necessarily a bad thing immediately.
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Durin said that chaos working together even a little bit is bad news. I am assuming that is IC opinion of Rotbart and probably most everyone in the room. If the martial demi-god and superhuman admin thinks it's bad, than I will trust him.
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Doomed Wombat
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Nah he said chaos working together full stop is bad news, that's just unpleasant, but we're still not at Necron level.
Personally I feel the benefits of much increased cooperation ASAP out weigh the potential downsides of increased chaos coop, especially since MAXIMUM COOPERATION has always been the best route to go.
+ It neatly solves the issue of us falling behind tech wise and lets us share our psycic discoveries with everyone much quicker.
There are detriments, but I think we'll have time to get stronger before they manifest so we can weather them easier.
[X] Argument to support future meetings- periodic technology transfer, good chance of being noticed
[X] Argue that the eldar pass on all advancements whenever the Black Imperium is distracted.
I don't think that constantly sharing future advances is that important. None of the human powers were in a particularly bad state before the sharing, so I don't think quick transfer would help them that much over periodic. If anyone does find or research something that needs to shared ASAP, they could simply call for a meeting.
[X] Argue that the eldar pass on all advancements whenever the Black Imperium is distracted.
I don't think that constantly sharing future advances is that important. None of the human powers were in a particularly bad state before the sharing, so I don't think quick transfer would help them that much over periodic. If anyone does find or research something that needs to shared ASAP, they could simply call for a meeting.
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1. the fact that they are not for sharing their secrets with other Avernite poples
2. not possible with trcvel issues, also no one wants migration as it can lead to a lot of probles
3. yes some
4. not much
4i. more can but still not that many
[X] Argument to support future meetings- periodic technology transfer, good chance of being noticed
Future meetings sound good. We can get Ridcully and Eldrad together to minimize the chances of us being found out. Quartus, Secundus and Callamus are each powerful enough to survive the attention of even the most powerful Chaos realms in the galaxy, but the Trust is a military weak spot, so we need to stay obscure.
Future meetings sound good. We can get Ridcully and Eldrad together to minimize the chances of us being found out. Quartus, Secundus and Callamus are each powerful enough to survive the attention of even the most powerful Chaos realms in the galaxy, but the Trust is a military weak spot, so we need to stay obscure.
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personally I think we should go all in or none at all
the benifits of not doing it at all is the fact that later trades won't have NEARLY as much value to be had....this trade had 100s of years of progress buried in it at minimum....potentially 1000s or even 10s of thousands of years depending on how you view it. so the next trade won't have the same value for ppl the next time inless we wait litteral centrys or even millenia....
in other words....tech trading will have exponetially less value the more we have it (though it will eventually level out and then raise up once various groups have finished implemening the majority of tech and/or starting using actual sciense (as in our case)
this means that going only part-way will have significantly less benifit compared to a "high chance" of chaos cooperation in the near-future.
that said.....I think even with us cooperating more....it is obvious that we, as the sane side of things here...benifit from cooperation more then chaos do.
plus. chaos already is focusing on the bigger party's to a point anyway....and soon they will need to be focusing on the orks/c'tan anyway
so thats why I voted:
[X] Argument to support having the Eldar pass on future advances- Quickest technology transfer, near certain chance of being noticed. :"We benefit from increased cooperation more than chaos does. Furthermore, Chaos already is going to have a large number of targets other than us and thus the increased cooperation on their part has a high chance of changing nothing for us anyway.
did I do that vote right? I suggest people consider my vote or else come up with their own for the other votes.....a plain vote is worth less as per Durins post above.
the benifits of not doing it at all is the fact that later trades won't have NEARLY as much value to be had....this trade had 100s of years of progress buried in it at minimum....potentially 1000s or even 10s of thousands of years depending on how you view it. so the next trade won't have the same value for ppl the next time inless we wait litteral centrys or even millenia....
in other words....tech trading will have exponetially less value the more we have it (though it will eventually level out and then raise up once various groups have finished implemening the majority of tech and/or starting using actual sciense (as in our case)
this means that going only part-way will have significantly less benifit compared to a "high chance" of chaos cooperation in the near-future.
that said.....I think even with us cooperating more....it is obvious that we, as the sane side of things here...benifit from cooperation more then chaos do.
plus. chaos already is focusing on the bigger party's to a point anyway....and soon they will need to be focusing on the orks/c'tan anyway
so thats why I voted:
[X] Argument to support having the Eldar pass on future advances- Quickest technology transfer, near certain chance of being noticed. :"We benefit from increased cooperation more than chaos does. Furthermore, Chaos already is going to have a large number of targets other than us and thus the increased cooperation on their part has a high chance of changing nothing for us anyway.
did I do that vote right? I suggest people consider my vote or else come up with their own for the other votes.....a plain vote is worth less as per Durins post above.
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t would be very bad if we were discovered. We'd be risking our existence, and we'd doubtless suffer. The benefits are not worth the drawbacks. We need to be sparse wirw tech trades.
Doomed Wombat
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Yes, but it will take a century even with the highest option before its noticed and the Trust is likely to be excluded from that first noticing.
And Chaos is focused on the larger polities already.
Why, it won't be found for about a century and the thing you quoted states we'll probably be excluded from that for a while.
We need all the advantages we can get and we need them as soon as we can get them, the other polities can create conventional tech on a level we can't match, something which is going to accelerate at a massive pace thanks to them getting things like the supercogitators.
More than enough time to combine with the Dragons and bulk up.
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I rolled for Calamus, QUartus is for it due to what I ahve decided of the primarches goals and peronalities and Secondus is desperate
Combining with the Dragons Nest is far from enough to become anywhere near relevant on the stage the other polities in this meeting play at. After we've beaten and conquered Amir'ka and the other big neighboring polities, then we might actually be safe, but that is not happening this millenium.
Just let the other human polities pull ahead in tech. All it does is draw heat to them. If we are the easiest way for Abbadon to get the tech he needs to take on Vulcan, you damn bet he'll conquer us.
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It might be possible to further obscure our involvement.
@Durin
1. Would putting our gains from the trade in a vault and sitting on them until desperate decrease our chance of being noticed?
2. What about doing all our research on Avernus?
3. Moving all our research to the invisible continent?(I understand that getting a facility on the edge of it would be a challenge, but if enough Trust troops are willing to die to do it it might be possible?)
Doomed Wombat
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Only if he knows we exist and he can do anything about it.
First he's got to deal with the Prophet then he's got to manage the aftermath, and then there's Vect with the disruption to Abbys domain coming from billions of narcissistic maniacs suddenly wanting their own piece of the pie, then the Nids, then the Dragon and of course Vulkan will still be in the back ground.
Basically I think fears that Abaddon will come after us are unfounded given the tidal wave of crap heading his direction in the next century or so.
There's no size we can reach which is big enough to be safe from Abaddon should he decide he wants to kill us, none, so he should barely be a consideration at this point.
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We can meet if there's either a massive, galaxy-shaking technological breakthrough, or enough technological difference to be worth the attention.
Other than that? The difference in tech we are bridging right now is biggest it's going to get.
Let's pull out while we're ahead.
[X] Argument against the above: This first meeting provides the greatest gain we are going to get from technology sharing. Further gains will be lesser, and most likely not worth the increased threat from chaos.
Other than that? The difference in tech we are bridging right now is biggest it's going to get.
Let's pull out while we're ahead.
[X] Argument against the above: This first meeting provides the greatest gain we are going to get from technology sharing. Further gains will be lesser, and most likely not worth the increased threat from chaos.
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Doomed Wombat
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I can see us using the meeting as bait for some smuck in the future
This isn't just about tech ya know, its also about fostering bonds of cooperation and respect between the polities.
And there's other people we could bring in, the Blood Angels and Tau will probably be joining in (at least I hope) in the near future and I doubt they're the only other potential sane candidates.