The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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I don't think there is much point bringing up the possibility of mass deployment of APA. It is simply to expensive to be afforable given the Trusts current income.
 
@Durin since others are asking (sometimes inane) questions, I guess I shall too. How would the Quest have turned out if we had started 1000 years before the Emperor's Death? I mean, I still recall your statement that the AdMech would have made Rotbart a Segmentum Governor/Lord-thingy when we found that STC Constructor...
 
Lubricae Cult - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum
The Lucricae Cult was a group of twelve Tech-Priest who formed in 886.M41. As their name would imply, they worshiped lubricant and thought that its contributions to technology kept the universe running smoothly. The priests anointed themselves with a mixture of war-virgin's blood and boiling grease as they declared open war on their former brethren. Deemed heretical by Imperial authorities, an Eversor Assassin was dispatched and slew every one of them within moments. Without leadership, their heretical Skitarii followers are swiftly defeated.
Cloacina - Wikipedia
In Roman mythology, Cloacina, "The Cleanser" (from the Latin verb cluo, "to cleanse", from which also cloaca, "sewer, drain") was the goddess who presided over the Cloaca Maxima ("Greatest Drain"), the main trunk of the system of sewers in Rome.
Annona (mythology) - Wikipedia
In ancient Roman religion, Annona (Latin annōna "corn, grain; means of subsistence", from annus "year") is the divine personification of the grain supply to the city of Rome.
@Durin, is it possible for gods of such ridiculously small and specific domains to come into existence?
 
Bit of a problem here, Nurgle. Year 2 double down for a Year 3 action.



It's a waste to do this in the Personal Attention slot. The meeting does not take up a Personal Attention action. This is why I have Rotbart doing the Locator Shells, and the light power weapons in the main martial section.

@Nurgle - Repeating these things for you. Your Double Downs are messed up as you've got two active in Year 3, and your Personal section is wasting a slot we could be using for a Personal Attention. The High Council Meeting can go into one of the Spend Time With slots - it's never required Personal Attention time before, so I don't see why it would now. Since your plan is in the lead, please fix.
 
Because I was not up to date on the threat I asked Durin some question over conversation:
Question for ordering:
First feasability and afterwards "implementation OR study"? I ask bedause the feasability only takes 1 year and starting directly afterwards is not planable without an action.
It is the same problem we had during the time Jane set up her school. We could only plan to do the psyker investigatIon (they ended up controling the navy high command) and than could not follow up on the results because of the 5 year plans...
It ended up taking 3 or 4 turns despite the action chain having only 5 years...
You can though you should also put in an alternative in case it is impossible
I ask here because I am not on top of the thread but I can put the questions there at a later date instead.

As background for the question:
You have explained once that what is for us relic material is for (for example because they use more materium tech) the necrons only exotic (or even advanced) material.

Would
Feasibility Study: (Expand (normal) Material Use)​
with the goal of advancing the quality of Material so that the normal manufactoriums can supply "simple" AM. Narative wise the increase of quality would NOT mean for the Mechanicus that uninitiated would work on advanced technology.
Mechanics wise it could take the form of shifting X% of AM cost to Material cost. I would be against shifting X% of Material production to AM production because it would gravely dimishing the value of AM.

My question is:
1. Would such a study be valid?
2. I have seen the answer that AM production would be an advanced Technology Fundamentals research but would Material production be basic than?
3. I would spitball that the requirements would be both basic and advanced Material production. Is that true or would only one of the two (do not ask which) be required?
1. Yes but you would need to have done the fundementals for both material and AM first
2. It would
3. As above
Because of that @Enjou ,@Nurgle ,@Shard I would normally propose that we look into fundamental research of fabrication but with the comming tech trade delaying it seems fine as well. Just for the large pile of things to do.

@Durin
Technology Fundamentals:
*snip*
Chance of Success: -20%(-20% per level above basic, does not get any non character bonuses) (62%-20 per difficulty level)
1. With this beeing a free action we can not double down on it.
That means the chance for Basic is: -20% + (62-20) = 22% because basic is the first difficulty level. The first part of the wording support that.
Is that correct or does basic count as the zero level?
2. Lets asume the above is false. Than the chance for basic would be 42% and for advanced -40% + (62-20) = 2%.
Is the double malus wanted?
3. Lets asume that the double malus is wanted, because of the explicit wording. Can Thrant get similar boni from doing the more basic fundamentals leading up to a more advanced? For one or both of the mali?
4. Thrant has already the fundamentals of Haywire and Stealth. Are they basic or advanced?
4a. If one of them is advanced or higher would fundamentals more basic get a bonus for research?
4b. If one of them is advanced or higher what are their more basic fundamental researches?
 
That means the chance for Basic is: -20% + (62-20) = 22% because basic is the first difficulty level. The first part of the wording support that.
Is that correct or does basic count as the zero level?
Huh? As I understand it, chances for basic are 62%, with every level above it giving -20%. Second part is there simply so we don't have to calculate Tranth's bonuses.
 
Lubricae Cult - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum

Cloacina - Wikipedia

Annona (mythology) - Wikipedia

@Durin, is it possible for gods of such ridiculously small and specific domains to come into existence?
come into existence, maybe if they are worshiped for an extended period, live more then a very brief period, no
Because I was not up to date on the threat I asked Durin some question over conversation:




Because of that @Enjou ,@Nurgle ,@Shard I would normally propose that we look into fundamental research of fabrication but with the comming tech trade delaying it seems fine as well. Just for the large pile of things to do.

@Durin

1. With this beeing a free action we can not double down on it.
That means the chance for Basic is: -20% + (62-20) = 22% because basic is the first difficulty level. The first part of the wording support that.
Is that correct or does basic count as the zero level?
2. Lets asume the above is false. Than the chance for basic would be 42% and for advanced -40% + (62-20) = 2%.
Is the double malus wanted?
3. Lets asume that the double malus is wanted, because of the explicit wording. Can Thrant get similar boni from doing the more basic fundamentals leading up to a more advanced? For one or both of the mali?
4. Thrant has already the fundamentals of Haywire and Stealth. Are they basic or advanced?
4a. If one of them is advanced or higher would fundamentals more basic get a bonus for research?
4b. If one of them is advanced or higher what are their more basic fundamental researches?
1. basic is 0 level
3. advanced would be 42% after bonuses, exotic 22% and relic 2%
4. advanced, not all advnaced build out of a basic
 
@Durin
1. What level is laser weapons?
2. What level are neutron laser weapons?
3. If we got "Fundamentals of lasers," would that provide some sort of bonus for "Fundamentals of neutron lasers?"
 
come into existence, maybe if they are worshiped for an extended period, live more then a very brief period, no
I wonder if there's a god of stepping on small objects.

And now I'm wondering that if Ridcully gets far enough along the path of ascension he'll be able to curse creatures into existence, like the Imperative "Emperor" Blast it and the Bloody Hellfire.
 
I still consider foundation of nutrition to have significant potential benefits. Everybody needs food, everybody can use it. It has significant long term benefits for every human polity if we simply understand how and why nutrition works better. Decrease in the danger of disease/plagues, longer natural lifespans, improved fitness, decrease infant mortality rates, leading to increased population growth, increase in ability to support a larger population, potentially increase in nutrients/volume for food which can significantly improve supply lines. Just so much stuff can be done with a better understanding of it.
 
Ok Since people wanted it and @Enjou is right I dropped spending time with Syr and now Rotbart and Jane in year two are doing Anti-Psyker Training: Preparation together

Munitorum
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Shadow Bat divisions
SLOT B - Year 5
-Y5: Locator shells


Void Command
SLOT A - Year 2 (Construct Slot)
-Y2: Construct: Repair: General
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1: Expand Shipyards: Large
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 1
SLOT C - Year 5
-Y5: Expand Shipyards: Large
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 5
Administratum
SLOT A - Year 2
-Y2: Administrative Shake up
-Y4: Administrative Shake up
SLOT B - Year 3
-Y3: Munition Stores

Diplomacy
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Request Information (Ask Svartalfheim for any insights they might have for improving Grav-Sheer Weapons)
-Y2: Lobby (King Zaren of Alfheim. Generosity in the tech trade is a long term investment in the future of humanity as well as the Trust. First, the Trust will be able to grow faster if the major threats to the galaxy are kept in check. Second, while we could try to drive a hard bargain, failing to reciprocate our generosity will cause the other three polities to lose face. As an example, would the pride of the Primarchs allow them to appear so in front of the the other two human polities as well as their Eldar allies?)

-Y3: Lobby (Hrothgar of Asgard. The Trust can be generous in the upcoming tech trade without appearing to be a supplicant. The Trust can show that it is being generous because our honourable commitment to the defense and betterment of humanity. This would make us not appear as supplicants, but stalwart defenders of man, which will especially be viewed positively by the Primarchs. Furthermore, recent events have gained us favor and alliance with the Eldar, which greatly strengthens the Trust's position.)

-Y4: Lobby (Garp of Jotunheim. While caution should not be thrown away outright, we must also be aware of the larger threats in the galaxy. The Void Dragon, the Destroyer, the main Tyranid Hive fleets, and whatever other dangers lurk in the darkness are threats on a scale the Trust alone can't deal with. Many of these threats are far away for now, but if the major human polities are beaten by them, then they will come for the Trust in due time. By empowering the major sane human powers, the Trust will be better protected from these threats. Further, the risk of our tech proliferating is minimal - Chaos doesn't generally share, the Tau and most other xenos aren't capable of travelling far enough fast enough to be a threat, etc.)
-Y5: Person of Interest


Arbites
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Counter-Intelligence
-Y2: Anti-Psyker Training: Preparation

Double down
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1-Y5: Greater Psyker Hunting Hunting

AdMech
SLOT A - Year 2 (Explorator)
-Y2: Hyper Battle Cruiser Design: Ragnarok Cannon
-Y5:Study Impalers
SLOT B - Year 4 (Biologis)
-Y4: Complete Examination (Honeypot Lilly)
SLOT C - Year 1 (Free)
-Y1: Grav-Shear Weapons Improvments
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 1

Ministorum
SLOT A - Year 2
-Y2: Those in the Shadows
-Y3: The Nature of (Chaos)
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3
SLOT B - Year 3
-Y3: The Nature of (Chaos)
- If Nature of abomination Fails repeat Nature of the Abomination
Astra Telepathica
SLOT A - Year 3 (Tamia)
-Y3: Mentoring: Alpha
-Y4: Trap Rune: Master

Personal

SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Personal Attention: Educational Reforms Part One
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1: A New Assistant
-Y2: Anti-Psyker Training: Preparation

Slot c
-Y2: Spend time with Surt
-Y3-4: Spend time with Ulrik
- Y5: High Council Meeting (LOCKED)

Slot D
-Y2: Spend Time with Surt
-Y3 -4: Spend tiem with Ulrik
-Y5: High Council Meeting (LOCKED)
 
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And now I'm wondering that if Ridcully gets far enough along the path of ascension he'll be able to curse creatures into existence, like the Imperative "Emperor" Blast it and the Bloody Hellfire.

What I think is that the farther Ridcully walks down the path the stronger he becomes as a mortal. Even if he becomes a Transendant he is still technically a mortal. I want him to walk all the way to the end of the path. That way when he chooses and accepts Ascension to Godhood he becomes as skilled as possible. I asked Durin when the Blind Seer trait was upgraded what it would do when Ridcully becamea god and Durin said it wouldn't make make him stronger but more skilled.
 
What I think is that the farther Ridcully walks down the path the stronger he becomes as a mortal. Even if he becomes a Transendant he is still technically a mortal. I want him to walk all the way to the end of the path. That way when he chooses and accepts Ascension to Godhood he becomes as skilled as possible. I asked Durin when the Blind Seer trait was upgraded what it would do when Ridcully becamea god and Durin said it wouldn't make make him stronger but more skilled.
Well the above was more a joke in reference to his discworld inspiration, who during a time of great magic started to curse beings into existence via swearing.

Nah I think Transcendents are considered Immortal. They certainly don't care about dying of old age.

Him getting to the end of the path is very much a question mark.

Remember there are Nine steps and he's only on the second.

He may have to ascend early, if only to get a skill boost in dark times.
 
Well the above was more a joke in reference to his discworld inspiration, who during a time of great magic started to curse beings into existence via swearing.

Oh man bad I knew he was a reference to discworld but I don't know anything about that series.:oops:

Nah I think Transcendents are considered Immortal. They certainly don't care about dying of old age.

I meant mortal in the sense that he isn't a god. Yeah he's immortal and won't die unless killed and then maybe not even permanently.

Him getting to the end of the path is very much a question mark.

Remember there are Nine steps and he's only on the second.

He may have to ascend early, if only to get a skill boost in dark times.

We still got a few chaos gods that we can spy on to get them down the path a little bit more. There is also checking out the emperor's birth and death to get a better glimpse at his rebirth. I think all together that can be another step as well. We can also look deeper or more specific into some of the targets the Eldar had us check. There are still plenty of impressive enough things we can look into to get them down the path. Unless it becomes really desperate and we have to save him or something I'm pushing to try to get as far down the path as possible.

Also something I thought about there is supposed to be three people or things I could block his divination one was Eldrad and the other two were Magnus and his former first captain. Aside from them only God level Wards or similar could block his sight. When we looked into the lion whoever found him was able to block our sight. While it might be possible that it is the captain-general from the great crusade with something the emperor gave them to shield him. I'm thinking maybe it is an Ascended Sanguineous sent by the emperor before his death to get his brother.
 
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