Mafio Party

I would say that I shouldn't be playing at four in the morning, but when is a better time to play ***** Party?
 
-Wrings hands-
Lets do this, mein Freunde
[X] Lynch LetMeBeFree

He's admitted that he's a liability to his own side so we should lynch him on the chance he may be town. This risks him being mafia but that's a risk we're going to have to take! :p
That...
Is a horrid reason to lynch someone.
Town is town, even If they are a 'liability'
I get that this part Jest but this seems...a rather suspect and Unsportsman like reason to throw someone out of this here tournament.
@Nictis, any particular reason for the joke vote when you could vote a player, try to start a wagon, etc? Heck, we've got three players on the letmebefree wagon. Isn't it tempting?
Tempting people on a wagon Which has a rather Sandy base is Also more Then a little suspect Honestly.
I hardly think it's very sporting of you to ask me to gang up on another, especially considering you don't seem very tempted yourself.

But is it worse than the announcer trying to make a few coins? Humm.
Totally agree With you Nictis.
You are jokier Then last game I was inw its you, but last time you were maf.
Granted, previous games have little affect on the current one, but evidence is evidence.
To me this is and the anti-gang up is a possitive sign towards you.
(Butt...Lets vote on a player shall we? Even If the announcer is clearly shady business...)

Honestly?
I do not trust Notte
This first round has little evidence So we need to focus on evidence.
Creating a bandwagon Because someone made is suspicious to moi
[X] Lynch NotteBoy97
 
Reading back, Riki started the Bandwagon against letmebefree
...With zero reasoning
But yeah,
Currently there are three votes against LetMeBeFree (Rikimaru, Broken Base, NoltenBoy97)
One against Nictis (Terrabrand)
One against NoltenBoy97 (Lizard Knight Aka yours truely)
And...The announcer (...Nictis...)
We could all look up the tally but eh
 
Tempting people on a wagon Which has a rather Sandy base is Also more Then a little suspect Honestly.

"Sandy base"? Letmebefree is somebody that is an absolute wild card at best, and has used PRs incredibly suboptimally in the past, and I believe freely admits to this. I'm inclined to just lynch them straight out, but at the very least that fact warrants an early wagon and is better than any of the earlier candidates.

Even if you don't believe me or don't think this is a solid base for a wagon, an early wagon is a good way to give the game some momentum and overall get reactions. It's a nulltell at absolute best.

I'm confused as to why you didn't change your vote to Riki after you realized he started the wagon, and I don't even get why the wagon is suspicious to begin with. The only arguments you've provided is that it's weak on evidence (We're on Page 4. The game started a page ago. I'm not sure what you want?). In terms of Riki starting the wagon on letmebefree with zero reasoning, not only has LMBF not posted yet, but Riki's post was the 4th post since the game start. What evidence was there to analyze? Terra and I random voted. That is totally it.

Also I find it odd that you vote, out of the three of us, the player that actually provided reasoning for their vote, when your argument is about the lack of reasoning. That's just kind of weird.

Honestly I'm fine with Nictis at the moment, though I want to see more from him later, but I'm looking really askance at you right now, because this feels a lot like defending letmebefree from a wagon (and attempting to derail it) with incredibly strained reasoning, and I'm very unclear of exactly what the motivation is there.
 
Ehh, I think Lizard Knight is just wanting to go straight to arguing as much as possible which is useful just in case someone slips up. Not being aware of LMBF being a loose cannon is fine, and questioning wagons and stuff is fairly towny, or neutral. Also, if one has to defend a lynch vote then that can be used for later reasoning.

A good thing about this set up, is that I don't think there is gonna be a cult. Unless it's waluigi versus luigi or something :D (and don't say That's What A Cult Would Say!)
 
Ehh, I think Lizard Knight is just wanting to go straight to arguing as much as possible which is useful just in case someone slips up. Not being aware of LMBF being a loose cannon is fine, and questioning wagons and stuff is fairly towny, or neutral. Also, if one has to defend a lynch vote then that can be used for later reasoning.

I think a Page 4 wagon is a bit different from a lynch vote, and think the wagon thing is variable, but I admit I didn't consider that Lizard Knight just didn't know letmebefree's trolly reputation. Sorry about that Lizard Knight.
 
*returns from meatspace*
Unsportsmanlike? Me? You wound me Terra, can't you see this is all a ploy by the announcer to remove the ones he didn't bet on?

[x] Lynch The Announcer

Excellent, first blood to me this game!

That...
Is a horrid reason to lynch someone.
Town is town, even If they are a 'liability'
I get that this part Jest but this seems...a rather suspect and Unsportsman like reason to throw someone out of this here tournament.

Since you weren't around his first two games let me clarify. Letmebefree's first game was the Rumor, in which everyone was a vig and there was no Maf. He realized he was town, and decided to kill every night, knowing his targets were also town.

Then he was in Under the Eyes of the White Raven, run by me. He was a survivor with a redirection power. When a vig and an incredibly powerful town role were known to exist, he decided to try to redirect the vig to kill that town role. Not because he disbelieved the claim, but because lol, essentially.

In other words, barring something more pressing, like a sus play or someone rather excessively inactive, he's a fair lynch target given his track record so far.

Ideally he shapes up, of course, but then lynch pressure can be good for making people shape up.

You are jokier Then last game I was inw its you, but last time you were maf.

This is approximately how he played back in Crystalwatcher's Magical Girl game, in which he was scum. Doesn't prove he is scum, but it's a thing he does from time to time that is not scum/town associated.

Terra and I random voted. That is totally it.

I actually memevoted. Been building a staple memevote of Nictis because, quite honestly, it's just fun to exaggerate our rivalry. Generally I ditch it in favor of something based on reasons other than 'lol exaggerated rivalry' before day 1 is over.
 
"Sandy base"? Letmebefree is somebody that is an absolute wild card at best, and has used PRs incredibly suboptimally in the past, and I believe freely admits to this. I'm inclined to just lynch them straight out, but at the very least that fact warrants an early wagon and is better than any of the earlier candidates.

Even if you don't believe me or don't think this is a solid base for a wagon, an early wagon is a good way to give the game some momentum and overall get reactions. It's a nulltell at absolute best.

I'm confused as to why you didn't change your vote to Riki after you realized he started the wagon, and I don't even get why the wagon is suspicious to begin with. The only arguments you've provided is that it's weak on evidence (We're on Page 4. The game started a page ago. I'm not sure what you want?). In terms of Riki starting the wagon on letmebefree with zero reasoning, not only has LMBF not posted yet, but Riki's post was the 4th post since the game start. What evidence was there to analyze? Terra and I random voted. That is totally it.

Also I find it odd that you vote, out of the three of us, the player that actually provided reasoning for their vote, when your argument is about the lack of reasoning. That's just kind of weird.

Honestly I'm fine with Nictis at the moment, though I want to see more from him later, but I'm looking really askance at you right now, because this feels a lot like defending letmebefree from a wagon (and attempting to derail it) with incredibly strained reasoning, and I'm very unclear of exactly what the motivation is there.
What's the motivation?
Discussion and a lack of sleep.
Lack of sleep is an excuse however and an excuse shows a weak argument.
So discussion
Maybe I was unclear in my words (scrap that I was definitely unclear)
But I wanted, above all, more discussion.

Why did I not change to Riki?
No deep reason, just did not cross my mind.
This is, again, a weak argument from me.
...ergh? I mostly vote on someone based on what they say. Your right the fact they said nothing is weird to me but NollteBoy just attracted more attention to me.

I did not think about the use of bandwagoning, my vault there.

As Riki has said, I had no clue that LMBF has been a loose cannon in the past.
I don't know the past of most players, to be honest. This is my second mafia game on a forum.
Ehh, I think Lizard Knight is just wanting to go straight to arguing as much as possible which is useful just in case someone slips up. Not being aware of LMBF being a loose cannon is fine, and questioning wagons and stuff is fairly towny, or neutral. Also, if one has to defend a lynch vote then that can be used for later reasoning.

A good thing about this set up, is that I don't think there is gonna be a cult. Unless it's waluigi versus luigi or something :D (and don't say That's What A Cult Would Say!)
No clue what a cult is, would you (or someone else) kindly inform me?

I am mostly asking questions. I think discussion is important, it gives us more info.
We are on page 4 but more discussion is more information.
Maybe it is my inexperience but I do not see how bandwagoning gives us more information.
...but your right it does get the ball rolling and this is page 4.
But let's try to discuss more now the ball is rolling, as it is off more use in the long run.
That is my logic atleast, but it might be flawed.

Although I am curious Riki, why Lynch LMBF? Their wild card history or?
 
Wildcard history and they are usually too quiet. Though they almost gave my team the potential for maybe winning last game.
 
(It's worth noting that I'm probably being a bit aggressive and i'm sorry about that if it upsets anyone or the like; I'm both doing a slightly different playstyle here, and my mood can be a bit... unstable.)

What's the motivation?
Discussion and a lack of sleep.
Lack of sleep is an excuse however and an excuse shows a weak argument.
So discussion
Maybe I was unclear in my words (scrap that I was definitely unclear)
But I wanted, above all, more discussion.

Overall, this... isn't a bad response? Like overall I still find the way you went about things kind of weird- it could indeed be due to a lack of sleep and similar factors but gotta note it- but discussion, while generic, isn't a terrible rationale for pushing against the wagon when you don't know lmbf's history and all that jazz.

Like, I can't give you too many notches for the post, but I feel slightly better; enough to not feel that uncomfortable with staying on the lmbf wagon now. Still keeping an eye on you, though.
 
-after reading Terrabrands vote-
Oh...
Yeah
Suddenly I understand the mistrust/willingness to lynch of LMBF
Yeah, personally I'd rather give him a chance for now, but it's not what I'd call suspicious to think he'd make a good lynch.

I mean, Wifom, he'd be easy to justify if you were an executioner or some such and got lucky with your target, but probably at least most of the votes on him are for the way he has played in the past. Not worth suspicion as yet.
 
(It's worth noting that I'm probably being a bit aggressive and i'm sorry about that if it upsets anyone or the like; I'm both doing a slightly different playstyle here, and my mood can be a bit... unstable.)
-shrug-
You seem reasonably aggresive.
Your aggresion had towards me had good reasoning behind it (Maybe even great). So I am fine With the aggresion towards me. A little pushing is needed in a game like this.
Overall, this... isn't a bad response? Like overall I still find the way you went about things kind of weird- it could indeed be due to a lack of sleep and similar factors but gotta note it- but discussion, while generic, isn't a terrible rationale for pushing against the wagon when you don't know lmbf's history and all that jazz.
Thank you
And Unlike the post before it, I read it over before posting. I can type dumb things on impulse and With reason through before posting I can remove the dumber Comments.
As for the weirdness -shrug- I am kinda weird.
But as that is a weak argument, I think it is a mixture of:
>My horrid language skills
>Sleep lack
>My internal logic
>I am inexperienced
Not stellar arguments either, but all I have right now
Like, I can't give you too many notches for the post, but I feel slightly better; enough to not feel that uncomfortable with staying on the lmbf wagon now. Still keeping an eye on you, though.
I would be dissapointed If you did not keep an eye on me. I am acting weird and suspicious.
Yeah, personally I'd rather give him a chance for now, but it's not what I'd call suspicious to think he'd make a good lynch.

I mean, Wifom, he'd be easy to justify if you were an executioner or some such and got lucky with your target, but probably at least most of the votes on him are for the way he has played in the past. Not worth suspicion as yet.
Fair.
I would Also rather give him a chance So I won't join the bandwagon.

I am...thinking about nulling my vote against NolteBoy, not sure yet.
My reasoning was weak but I still have lingering suspision against Nolte...
I think I'll Wait until Nolteboys reaction and Then decide towards nulling or not.
 
Sorry just woke up, I admit that I am a wild card but when I sent the big to kill the town roll it was because I wasn't 100% sure they were telling the truth and because I thought that they would be protected at night, the vig had two possible targets, me and shard I didn't want to take that risk.

As for the rumour, it was a theory that everyone was a townie when I started killing.

But I'm not going to vote for now I need more info.
 
Lizard Knight, that's a name I haven't seen since jojos. Good to see you. So far I agree with Terra on LMBF beong the best option right now, though I am willing to give him a shot at redemption.
[X] Lynch Letmebefree
 
Sorry just woke up, I admit that I am a wild card but when I sent the big to kill the town roll it was because I wasn't 100% sure they were telling the truth and because I thought that they would be protected at night, the vig had two possible targets, me and shard I didn't want to take that risk.

I can sympathize with this reasoning, but with no disrespect intended, genuinely, I still find it a little hard to trust you given the overall context. If you end up claiming and are a PR (I'm not asking you to say if you are or not, this is purely hypothetical), would you be willing to let town direct your actions for the rest of the game? It would give me, at least, a lot of peace of mind and would really help me feel comfortable with an unvote.
 
I can sympathize with this reasoning, but with no disrespect intended, genuinely, I still find it a little hard to trust you given the overall context. If you end up claiming and are a PR (I'm not asking you to say if you are or not, this is purely hypothetical), would you be willing to let town direct your actions for the rest of the game? It would give me, at least, a lot of peace of mind and would really help me feel comfortable with an unvote.
Eh, Sure why not, I will listen to the town but a few scum might guide my action without any of us knowing.
 
I won't consider it scummy to do things different to what majority ask of you, since it's your night action. Assuming you have one of course.
 
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