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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%

  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%
  • Total voters
    738
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Durin said:
The final proposal is for the appointment of one or more people with the power to command the Imperial Trust in certain circumstances. As well as commanding the forces of the Imperial Trust positions to act as the Trust's Chief Diplomat or to manage the Trust's economy have been suggested. These members would be appointed by the High Council for set terms and could only be dismissed by a two thirds majority in the High Council. This would allow for the Trust to deal with a wide range of situations more effectively at the cost of creating both a new layer of politics and giving a small group a worrying amount of power.
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Can we make like this instead
the appointment of one or more people with the power to command the Imperial Trust in certain circumstances As well as commanding the forces of the Imperial Trust positions to act as the Trust's Chief Diplomat or to manage the Trust's economy will be given set term limits only extented by the Inquisition in times of emergancy also they will have set mandates given to them by the high Council at the beginning of there term like defend the trust, increase development of supsector X by method Y (the specific mandates are ment to limit chances to do shady shit ) and a randomized oversight committee led by the Inquisition that has full access to there activates and can only act if the appointed show coruption , act outside there mandate or overstep , the committee will also provide advice and in depth research on any supject the appointed request relating to there mandate goals

Durin
 
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Ok these is a reminder guys that you have to tag Durin. He does not respond to replies since he does not get notifications for them. Since he got so many of them.
 
Dont hate the second proposal so would be cool with that . First is kinda okay but not thrilled with paying more taxes especially in am/em and dont like the thrid at all , i know we would have the chance to get it but it introduces a weak point anyway.

Wouldnt hate a position that deals with foreign policy i guess instead of semi dictator instead if ur thinking of that? They could even get a security/High council seat like other special people do?
 
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If we want to do the third, I'd suggest diluting their powers a bit and putting term limits on their position.

We could also make it easier to remove them by requiring just a simple majority instead of two-thirds majority.
 
Yeah combining first and second seems to do about as much as u want without really weakening planetary governors and the third really infringes on things .

Altough appointing a chief diplomat especially if our eldar proposal goes through makes some sense people.
 
[X] Combine the first two proposals. 5% increase in troops to the Guard, and the Security Council can demand a secondment of a third of the Trust's forces.

Seems good, if it's going to get a majority.
 
[X] Combine the first two proposals. 5% increase in troops to the Guard, and the Security Council can demand a secondment of a third of the Trust's forces.

Enjou beat me on making a vote. Also seriously guys we are going to have to raise the tithe and a trade levy. The trust is running a deficit right now and we need to get bigger if we want to stay alive.
 
[X] Combine the first two proposals. 5% increase in troops to the Guard, and the Security Council can demand a secondment of a third of the Trust's forces.
 
[X] Combine the first two proposals. 5% increase in troops to the Guard, and the Security Council can demand a secondment of a third of the Trust's forces.
 
[X] Combine the first two proposals. 5% increase in troops to the Guard, and the Security Council can demand a secondment of a third of the Trust's forces.
 
[X] Combine the first two proposals. 5% increase in troops to the Guard, and the Security Council can demand a secondment of a third of the Trust's forces.

Yeah, this looks like it should work.
 
[X] Combine the first two proposals. 5% increase in troops to the Guard, and the Security Council can demand a secondment of a third of the Trust's forces.
 
The second proposal is to give the Security Council the ability to demand the secondment of up to half of all Imperial Trust military forces to it in order to deal with short term issues, with all demands needing to be confirmed at the next High Council Meeting. This would allow the Security Council to quickly mobilize the vast majority of the forces that can be spared from PDF duties with a moments notice, without having much impact on the day to day running of the Imperial Trust or placing much more real power in its hands.
  • Currently the Security Council, First Artisan Granalf of Svartalfheim, Chapter Master Julius of the Adeptus Astartes are supporting this proposal.


I actually support this option the most, even more so than our compromise. It allows quick and overwhelming response to invasion, and gives the security council the manpower to distribute troops everywhere that they suspect a raid is incoming.

On the downside it leaves it more likely that we will have a significant portion of our forces called off world before and during the next daemonic incursion, or during some hypothetical event with the wildlife threatening habitation.

The reason why the Imperial guard worked so well for the Imperium is because they were engaged on widely enough separated fronts to need some level of standardization(and look at how well they succeeded at that). Essentially they could afford to skim off the top and needed to fit everything into one organization so the units would be interchangeable wherever they were engaged. The Trust doesn't really need that, it just needs lots of bodies.


Edit: I mean seriously, the first option is intended to give the Trust Guard enough forces to hold off any invasion until the planets can organize a response, giving us a better defence against enemies that can dodge our precognition,
and the second is intended to streamline organization of a response to an invasion, meaning that there is less of a need to delay an attack.

The compromise proposal just reduces the blocking forces below where they can be effective and reduces the quick counter-invasion to a level where they might be ineffective.

Thinking about it in those terms I've actually made myself uncertain about my initial preference for option two.


Where the third option essentially gives one person the authority to coordinate either or both of the above options.
 
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For the third option, perhaps we could grant the Inquisition a permanent position or at least observing presence on it? Even if they are just there to observe for corruption and not to make devious, it could be worthwhile. Additionally, if our very few Grey Knights are willing, maybe they could be present as well?
 
[X] Combine the first two proposals. 5% increase in troops to the Guard, and the Security Council can demand a secondment of a third of the Trust's forces.
 
[X] Combine the first two proposals. 5% increase in troops to the Guard, and the Security Council can demand a secondment of a third of the Trust's forces.

I'm in favor of this largely because the 5% increase is something that we can account for in advance of any invasion. I'd be all for the second proposal if I wasn't worried about someone potentially pulling a diversionary assault and dragging a significant number of planetary forces into a slog while leaving individual planets comparatively undermanned.
 
Incoming brainstorm for an alternate proposal!

I've seen good arguments for and against all three proposals, so here's something of a mix.

[X] Increase the Guard Tithe by 7%. The Security Council can demand a secondment of 1/2 of all Imperial Trust military forces for short term issues. And finally, appoint someone to command the Imperial Trust in emergencies, and appoint subordinates to divide such power among the most important roles. All such candidates will be screened by the Inquisition for taint.

Decrease the tithe a bit, but keep the secondment and appoint a commander of the Trust and then delegate authority among maybe three or four subordinates so that no one man or woman can have too much power, even in an emergency. I suspect there's still going to be a bit of grumbling, but I would take the -1 loss in relationship if necessary to push it through with one or two of those guys who still haven't voted yet.

A bit of short term loss for longer term gain.

Durin said:
  • As things stand you, Champion Surt of Muspelheim and Governor Ulfric of Niflheim have not yet cast their support behind any of the proposals. You could convince Governor Ulfric to support one of the first two proposals with a minor favor (-1 relationship) or the third with a more significant favor (-3 relationship). You could convince Champion Surt to support any of the three options with a minor favor (-1 relationship)
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I recommend convincing Champion Surt if we need to do so.
 
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[X] Combine the first two proposals. 5% increase in troops to the Guard, and the Security Council can demand a secondment of a third of the Trust's forces.
 
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