Big reason for that was not because Imperium was that super horrible, but because it already had a giant mass of psychic energy closer to a Chaos God than to the normal psyker. It takes far less effort to forge this power into a concept, especially as it also was a giant religious symbol, than to just make a god out of actions, without power beforehand or particular religion.
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
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I assume that the main reason things were sped up in comparison was due to active worship from a race that covered most of the galaxy and how belief affects the Warp. So several quintillion people actively worshipping their idea of the God Emperor of Mankind ended up creating said god in just ten thousand years.
Doomed Wombat
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Actively feeding thousands of high powered psykers to the god every day probably helps.
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Oh, their tech boner was so strong that they didn't care about the Eldar. Now I understand.
Doomed Wombat
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No, it was a team effort.
Magnus set up the punch, but it was Emps who brought it to fruition.
The admech's tech boner has always been stronger than their hatred of aliens, remember what the admech was like in the aftermath of the War of the Beast?
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Remember is the wrong term.
I never knew thus I can neither forget nor remember.
No it was all Magnus fault the Emperor said so heretic.
Edit I really hate that the internet can not convey when I am joking
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Doomed Wombat
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Oh right...well after the War of the Beast the admech were told to blow up Ullanor with all the Beast's tech, they decided nah, we want, and got some working moving the planet to an unimportant system to study it further.
The Imperium went REEEE killed them so the location was lost...this where Armageddon comes from.
Nah I got it, I was just trying to make a joke about how it was a team effort to **** up so bad.No it was all Magnus fault the Emperor said so heretic.
Edit I really hate that the internet can not convey when I am joking
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Not Imperium but crazy-ass Grand Master of Assassins who after the Ulanor shuffle went completely coo-coo and killed nearly all High Lords of Terra and took over Imperium for a century.
Doomed Wombat
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So the Imperium.
After all he did just pull the equivalent of "I AM THE SENATE!"
Yet the Imperium was the institution that gave him the leverage to gain that power.
To give my thoughts on the wider discussion, for whatever they are worth I generally agree with the notion that we the players can be hypocritical about being the only ones to accumulate power, but I don't think that's the only reason we have limited patience for rivalry. At the end of the day we are playing someone vastly more competent than Bertil Mikaelsson in almost every way and matching him in his supposed area of expertise (diplomacy), so yes being forced to carefully maneuver around the man simply because he has socio-political inertia on his side can he rather tiring to say the least.
For my part I am glad Vanaheim will suffer economic woes under his leadership following the latest Council meeting and will support soft attempts to pressure him out of office (though not at the cost of more important trust-wide goals). Obviously I would not support an assassination because it is ridiculously risky and more to the point his replacement could be worse if he simply dies as opposed to being pushed out of office by more progressive elements.
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Eh, from what I understand the collapse of Eldar Empire into completely depravity was fairly fast and took "only" thousands (or tens if thousands) of years. That's the reason why humanity was able to spread much further than any other race since the War in Heavens.
No, after certain threshold the orbital defences encompass the entire planet by default, several turn ago Durin said that Dephobe's orbital defences are already extensive enough to enconpass entire Cumean planetary system, so Vanaheim, who has several times more extensive defences is definitelly fully defended. Also considering that Vanaheim orbit contains thousand docks, over four hundred shipyards including three gargantuan ones and a colossal one and almost nine hundred orbital cities housing second largest AdMech operation in the Trust and more than 50 billion people I imagine that there's important orbital infrastructure over entire planet.
Plus the whole idea of placing all of your orbital defences close to the important targets is dumb because the whole point of orbital defenses is to keep enemies as far from said important targets as possible.
While heavy ground defences can fire upon ships in orbit due to gravity, atmosphere and extra distance they're really, really bad at it (the reason our forge-hives on Dephobe can significantly contribute to orbital defence is precisely because Deiphobe has no atmosphere and much lower gravity than regular terrestrial planet).
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HanEmpire
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@Durin:
1) how is Bertil's political base doing? Is Olaf's faction gaining ground in the Vanir All-Thing?
2) Vanaheim's morale is also pretty low (7). I thought it was recovering towards a 10, why did it drop?
EDIT: Wait it dropped a while back:
1) how is Bertil's political base doing? Is Olaf's faction gaining ground in the Vanir All-Thing?
2) Vanaheim's morale is also pretty low (7). I thought it was recovering towards a 10, why did it drop?
EDIT: Wait it dropped a while back:
3) what's the biggest issue holding back the Vanir happiness recovery? It looks to have been stuck on 7 for generations now.
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Trying to figure out how much of a discount we'd be getting from the rebate on upkeep. Could someone ballpark how many of our units are currently tithed? Unless it's a unique unit, they all get counted together on the imperial guard sheet.
Okay, looking at the constitution, every unit eligible for imperial guard tithe gets a 20% rebate on upkeep. No distinction is made between pdf, frontline, or grenadier.
No upper limit is put on the rebate, but iirc durin said upto 50%. And it's only for units that get tithed, not the entire military.
5% mandatory pdf tithe, and I don't think the security council is going to sign off on a subsidy to get more pdf units. So, we get 20% back on 5% of our pdf. Or 1% of our total pdf upkeep.
15% mandatory frontline tithe, but iirc avernite frontliners get treated like grenadiers for tithe, which bumps them up to 30%. If they're good enough to be classified as grenadiers for the imperial guard then the security council might want more of them. To reach the maximum rebate of 50% we'd have to tithe 30% more our frontliners for a total of 60% of our helltroopers in the guard. That gives us a rebate of 30% of our total helltrooper upkeep, or 6% if the security council doesn't want any more of them.
Math works out the same for helguard, 30% rebate(50% on 60% of our helguard) if the security council wants all they can get.
@Durin 1) is the above interpretation of the military upkeep rebate correct?
Okay, looking at the constitution, every unit eligible for imperial guard tithe gets a 20% rebate on upkeep. No distinction is made between pdf, frontline, or grenadier.
No upper limit is put on the rebate, but iirc durin said upto 50%. And it's only for units that get tithed, not the entire military.
5% mandatory pdf tithe, and I don't think the security council is going to sign off on a subsidy to get more pdf units. So, we get 20% back on 5% of our pdf. Or 1% of our total pdf upkeep.
15% mandatory frontline tithe, but iirc avernite frontliners get treated like grenadiers for tithe, which bumps them up to 30%. If they're good enough to be classified as grenadiers for the imperial guard then the security council might want more of them. To reach the maximum rebate of 50% we'd have to tithe 30% more our frontliners for a total of 60% of our helltroopers in the guard. That gives us a rebate of 30% of our total helltrooper upkeep, or 6% if the security council doesn't want any more of them.
Math works out the same for helguard, 30% rebate(50% on 60% of our helguard) if the security council wants all they can get.
@Durin 1) is the above interpretation of the military upkeep rebate correct?
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For pete's sake...
[X] Governor Mikaelsson of Vanaheim
-[X] Bring up the possibility of making Vanaheim an exception to the ground defenses increase due to their superior orbital protection.
-[X] Ask to hear his ideas on how the Imperial Trust and its member worlds might be put on a more sustainable footing.
The guy may be conservative, but give him (and Vanaheim) its due, they're doing their part for the Trust. The least we can do for the Trust is to talk with him, maybe let him vent a little and maybe work out how Vanaheim and Avernus can work better together.
Mikaelsson is NOT the enemy. He's a man playing a painfully high-stakes game and who thinks the best way to play is cautiously. It's a perfectly valid approach.
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[X] Governor Mikaelsson of Vanaheim
-[X] Bring up the possibility of making Vanaheim an exception to the ground defenses increase due to their superior orbital protection.
-[X] Ask to hear his ideas on how the Imperial Trust and its member worlds might be put on a more sustainable footing.
The guy may be conservative, but give him (and Vanaheim) its due, they're doing their part for the Trust. The least we can do for the Trust is to talk with him, maybe let him vent a little and maybe work out how Vanaheim and Avernus can work better together.
Mikaelsson is NOT the enemy. He's a man playing a painfully high-stakes game and who thinks the best way to play is cautiously. It's a perfectly valid approach.
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Doomed Wombat
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You do need to have something to talk to him about.
It could be as simple as just getting to know him.
Still can I please send out a request to calm down on the Olaf front. I can only speak for myself, but I don't think anyone's close to the point where we're considering him an enemy just an asshat, which is fine, he probably thinks the same as us.
We already have done a get to know him, though.
Doomed Wombat
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In what way?
Have we settled down with him for drinks and stuff, no politics or the like just two people chatting about their likes, dislikes ect?
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1. No
What happens is that you get a flat 20% rebate on all PDF helltrooper and hekguard upkeep costs. If you tithe an additional 10% of your helguard that is increased to 30% for helguard only
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That's what people are talking about when it comes to arrogance. Just because someone is literally one of the smartest people in the room doesn't mean they can't do stupid shit or make bad decisions. I mean look at the Emperor and the Primarchs. Not to mention quest wise when the players made some really unbelievably stupid decisions.
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HanEmpire
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Yes:
EDIT: Oh you meant without politics. What purpose would that serve?
Doomed Wombat
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Being human.
It doesn't have to be about politics all the time.
But, if you want to be like that, then it serves to get us into his good graces so we can more easily coordinate between our two worlds, like how friendship with Alafric has benefited us.
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Yep, people don't seem to be considering the fact that even when you do get to know someone doesn't mean you have to like them. Example being Rotbart and Areatha, they respect and understand each other but just don't like each other.