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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%

  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%
  • Total voters
    738
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[X] Compromise Plan

Andres110 said:
I would prefer it Year 1. The sooner the Eldar get the information, the more likely they are to be able to stop Vect's deal. Fighting Chaos is not something you compromise on for convenience's sake.
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You do realise that they almost certainly know, Vect is like one of their most hated enemies and they have a God Transcendent Seer. And given Vect's defences even if we told probably worth jack shit, unless of course you want one of the three best powers who are trying to stop the galaxy dying to waste all their time and vast amounts of resources on an fruitless attempt to kill someone who can just finish his deal earlier resulting in a better result for Slaanesh.

So yeah, not worth it if it looses us influence to be spent in the actual meeting.

@Durin
1. Is the high council less likely to be pissed if we just tell the Eldar about Vect and the Destroyer rather than initiate any proper talks?
 
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Hm, on the one hand, Chaos can go jump off a cliff, on the other hand, we're kind of already seen as the guy who will do anything to accomplish our goals, and this feeds into that perception. Then again, that would mitigate the rep hit. I'm conflicted.

@Durin

1. Would it be a major rep hit to do the Eldar action without asking the Council first?
 
Doomed Wombat said:
You do realise that they almost certainly know, Vect is like one of their most hated enemies and they have a God Transcendent Seer. And given Vect's defences even if we told probably worth jack shit.

So yeah, not worth it if it looses us influence to be spent in the actual meeting.
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This isn't something we should make any assumptions about nor take any potential risks because of mere politics, especially when our motives are as clear cut and pure as "we don't want Chaos to get a massive power up". Please stop arguing against fighting Chaos just because it'll be inconvenient and possibly redundant. That is a very bad attitude to take when it comes to Chaos.
 
Andres110 said:
This isn't something we should make any assumptions about nor take any potential risks because of mere politics, especially when our motives are as clear cut and pure as "we don't want Chaos to get a massive power up". Please stop arguing against fighting Chaos just because it'll be inconvenient and possibly redundant. That is a very bad attitude to take when it comes to Chaos.
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No in this case I will argue against it, barring a full scale assault on him there seems to be no way to interrupt the contract which would simply make him give Slaanesh a better deal so its actively detrimental, and I refuse to believe the faction with the best Seers in the galaxy, with a God supporting their seeing and a Transcendent Seer Daemon thing don't already know about the biggest thing their mortal enemy is doing.

And yeah these are assumptions, but I'd say pretty reasonable ones.

And if we do this and it results in a rep decrease (not guaranteed it is chaos and the Trust does have an appreciation of how bad this is) then that's political capital wasted, political capital that can't be used for things like getting our trade deal with Vulkan or Callamus for example, which is far more valuable to both us and them than a redundant attempt to get the Eldar to go "Sorry mate literally nothing we or anyone else can do he's dug in there like nobodies business and this will backfire harder if we try."
 
Doomed Wombat said:
[X] Compromise Plan


You do realise that they almost certainly know, Vect is like one of their most hated enemies and they have a God Transcendent Seer. And given Vect's defences even if we told probably worth jack shit, unless of course you want one of the three best powers who are trying to stop the galaxy dying to waste all their time and vast amounts of resources on an fruitless attempt to kill someone who can just finish his deal earlier resulting in a better result for Slaanesh.

So yeah, not worth it if it looses us influence to be spent in the actual meeting.

@Durin
1. Is the high council less likely to be pissed if we just tell the Eldar about Vect and the Destroyer rather than initiate any proper talks?
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1. Yes
ilbgar123 said:
Hm, on the one hand, Chaos can go jump off a cliff, on the other hand, we're kind of already seen as the guy who will do anything to accomplish our goals, and this feeds into that perception. Then again, that would mitigate the rep hit. I'm conflicted.

@Durin

1. Would it be a major rep hit to do the Eldar action without asking the Council first?
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1. Yes
 
I mean, Vect does have an artifact that can make deals with Chaos gods binding, he might very well have one that can mess with Seers, though it being more effective against Eldrad would probably require that it only achieve full effectiveness against enemies whose existence Vect was aware of, considering how few Seers have the sort of ability Ridcully or Eldrad possess, that's probably not the issue it might otherwise be.

This is pure speculation of course, but it's something to keep in mind.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
Right never mind then @ilbar123 get that Eldar contact back to year 1 ASAP
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Why!? Your reason for not fighting Chaos is that we'll take a rep hit! Why do you want us to take a rep hit with the Eldar now for something that does not involve fighting Chaos!? Eldar webway stuff should only happen after we ask the High Council first.
 
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Enjou said:
-Y1: Sound Out (Eldar Diplomacy - talk with the Eldar through Ridcully, ask what they might want in exchange for limited webway access so we can talk with and possibly trade with other major human polities in the galaxy)
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Didnt notice this before, removed my vote, dead set against pissing off the council for no reason, we can do this action after getting permission at the council meeting
 
[X] Compromise Plan

Because until AFTER the Council Meeting we won't properly know the trade costs, and right now we need our reserves of AM and EM up so we don't spend a turn on another trade deal because we do not have a Doctorate in Economics. Hellguard can wait til next turn, and the planning on the Phoenix-chassis ships is useful, so I can't support Enjou. @ilbgar123 seems to share my preferences at this moment.

@nat_401 Uh, recheck that. That is a Sound Out in Diplomacy, not Contact Eldrad in Telepathica. Completely different.

@Andres110 If you are talking about the same action as Nat_401, read my previous sentence
 
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[X] Compromise Plan

Despite prices being lowered I can see the trust using up more EM and AM so my concern is that supply available will be lowered as well. Holding off on expanding the Helguard until after we can properly asses how much EM we can actually trade for is key.
 
Void Stalker said:
[X] Compromise Plan

Despite prices being lowered I can see the trust using up more EM and AM so my concern is that supply available will be lowered as well. Holding off on expanding the Helguard until after we can properly asses how much EM we can actually trade for is key.
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I asked Durin if there would be enough available to fund the expansion, and he said yes:

Enjou said:
@Durin, can you confirm that EM and AM prices are still going to be lowered, and that we should be able to fund the Helguard upkeep with what we can trade for?
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Durin said:
yes EM is going down to around 15 while am will lower to 40
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There will be no issues with funding the Helgaurd expansion.


Also, I'm going to remind people that Turoq are going to try to attack us in some way. That means another war at some point in the future. You know what's useful for that? MORE HELGAURD. The expansion takes eighteen years. Delaying it may mean that those elite troops aren't fully available for the next war.
 
Enjou said:
Also, I'm going to remind people that Turoq are going to try to attack us in some way. That means another war at some point in the future. You know what's useful for that? MORE HELGAURD. The expansion takes eighteen years. Delaying it may mean that those elite troops aren't fully available for the next war.
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18 years is a long time. During that time it would be possible to spend 8 years each on the gunships, bombers, and shuttles if we use multiple slots, all of which would be useful in war.
 
[X] Plan Nurgle T111

Munitorum
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Lessons Learned: Siege
-Y2: Expand Black Irons
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1: Hellsword Regiments
SLOT C - Year 1 Implement (Phoniex gunship): Planning
-Y 3: Year 1 Implement (Phoniex Bomber): Planning
-Y5: Year 1 Implement (Shadowbat Stealth Assault Shuttle); Planning

Void Command
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Construct: Repair, Again
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1: Upgrade Defences (Avernus)
SLOT C - Year 3
-Y3: Expand Shipyards: Large
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 3

Administratum
SLOT A - Year 5
-Y5: Illusionary Pine Investigation
SLOT B - Year 5
-Y5: Expand Forge-Hive: Belisama
SLOT A - Year 1

Diplomacy
-Y1: Sound Out (Eldar Diplomacy - talk with the Eldar through Ridcully, discuss what they might want in exchange for limited web way access. Inform him of the galatic threats that are not on Avernus, ask if they have any human tech and willing to trade that we can use.
-Y2: Sound Out( Banking reform to credit union with Addendum VATS (consumption tax) or raising the tithe for subsidiaries for Forges,shipyard, merchant ships, Golaiths, titans and power armor infantry)
-Y3: Nynye Trade (Cure for Jacob's aging)
-Y4: Make a Request (Request she teach our psykers any anti-Chaos abilities she knows that we don't. We know that channeling Warp energies like Avernite creatures do significantly reduces the risk of taint, for instance.)
-Y5: Investigate Relationship (Avernus, Muspelheim)
-Y6: Investigate Relationship (Avernus, Svartalfheim)

Arbites
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1-Y4: Focused Psyker Hunting
-Y5-Y6: Counter-Intelligence
SLOT B - Year 1
-Y1-Y4: Focused Psyker Hunting
-Y5-Y6: Counter-Intelligence

AdMech
SLOT A - Year 2 (Explorator)
-Y2: Titan Designing Step Two: Machine Spirit If Titans design passes if not restart Titan design
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 2
SLOT B - Year 6 (Biologis)
-Y6: Bio-Laser Implants
-- DOUBLE DOWN

Ministorum
SLOT A - Year 2
-Y2: Cleanse World (Light)
-Y4: Cleanse World (Light)
-Y6: Cleanse World (Light)
SLOT B - Year 5
-Y5: On Transcendent Path
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 5

Teelpathica

-Y1: Greater Divination (Turoq, Attack Plans)
-Y2: Greater Divination (Turoq, Superweapon)
-Y3: Contact Eldrad Ulthran (Give Dark Eldar and Destroyer/Ctann info - he probably knows already, but doesn't hurt to be on the safe side. Do not go deeper into talks, but not without proper clearance from the Council. If we get council approval, talk about what was approved in trade negotiations.)
-double down
- repeat if failed till success
-Y4: Divination Turoq
-Y6: Mentoring (Alphas)
SLOT A - Year 1 (Xavier)
-Y1: Mentoring (Alphas)
-Y2: Hellflame Compression
SLOT A - Year 3 (Tamia)
-Y3: Mentoring (Alphas)
-Y4: Examine: (Siren Rune of Focus)
SLOT A - Year 2 (Aria)
-Y2: Mentoring (Alphas)
-Y3: Psychic Cleansing
-Y5: Psychic Cleansing
SLOT D - Free Divination
-Y?: Greater Divination (Large Ork Waaaghs)

Personal
SLOT A - Year 1
-Y1: Spend Time With (Syr)
-Y2: Attend High Council Meeting (LOCKED)
-Y3: Spend Time With (Xavier)
-Y4: Spend Time With (Xavier)
-Y5: Spend Time With (Jacob)
-Y6: Spend Time With (Jacob)
SLOT A - Year 4
-Y4: Personal Attention: Expand (Signe's Choice) to Small Hive
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 4
SLOT C - Year 6
-Y6: Thaddeus Expertise: Expand (Signe's Choice) to Small Hive
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 6

Ok changed things around things around since apparently my second sound out would undermine Scoots position I changed it to finding out how my finance reform will work with the added Vats. Change the free divination to Large ork Wagghs, and moved things around so the Alphas can get enough tutoring. Let me know if other things people want change. I go tot go teach CPR these morning so I will be slow to respond till after lunch
 
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@Durin
1. Will the EM and AM available for trade be a) about the same as last time, b) more available or c) less available
2. Also looking into the future what way is EM and AM supply looking to be?
 
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