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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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That's what I was wondering about. It seemed likely an oversight that should have hurt us a lot worse.
Pretty sure it applied all the time on Mar Sara, not just on the individual scale.
I'm presuming that is being handled in the background, given the Skill Multiplier column in the military spreadsheet.
That said, a significant amount of our advantage here is the difference in martial stats. The last Waaagh had a really competent Warlord running it, along with lots of elites, whereas this one... doesn't. Headcrusha is dragging down the martial bonus of his lieutenants by a lot, whereas Rotbart is increasing the martial bonus of the other generals. As I recall every 15 points of difference in the roll adds a magnitude of difference in terms of casualties inflicted/taken.
Facesnappa vs Julius
+17(martial)
+335(martial)
Difference 318 -> 21 magnitudes of victory
Scalpchoppa vs Sigurd
+12(martial)
+242(martial)
Difference 230 -> 15 magnitudes of victory
Slaystampa vs Aelfric
-2(martial)
+258(martial)
Difference 260 -> 17.3 magnitudes of victory
Schwarz vs Minor Warbosses
+7(martial)
+262(martial)
Difference 255 -> 17 magnitudes of victory
It doesn't help that the rolls for the Orks were overall well below average, often making the margin of victory even higher for the Trust forces.
- Location
- madison
I find it amusing we've been hit by two level 2 waaghs in a short amount of time, and yet they are utterly different levels of threat. One of them was a desperate bloody struggle, the other is mostly just trying to win with the least amount of losses. Even if headcrusha wasn't an idiot I think this would be a lot less dangerous than the last one. Honestly, I think it fits orks to have them vare wildly in how dangerous they are even in waaaghs of roughly the same size.
Given even our best exchange rates are only on the order of thousands to one, there's no way it's measuring in magnitudes. Even 15 magnitudes would be a thousand trillion to one.
- Location
- Berkeley
Degrees of success aren't individually a factor of ten, but they do stack multiplicitively with each other. Thus, each additional one you get is worth more than the one previous to it.
On top of the Martial difference for this fight, too, is the difference in fortification levels.
In other words, neither this fight with all of our best command elements against an idiot Ork Warboss on our single most fortified world nor the fight on one of our less fortified worlds against a particularly competent Warboss while our best general was otherwise engaged should be typical for tier two Waaaghs.
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- Location
- United states
The ass kicking we gave the Orks thansk to them having an idiot Warboss is definitely reinforcing the belief that keeping the idiot Warboss alive is definitely for our best long term interests. That said would taking out the lieutenants lower the martial score even more even if we don't take all of them out?
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
Really? Cause there weren't any ground rolls for Mar Sara that I could find.
Yes the orbitals always got their +100 due to the Waargh, as did this Waargh, but I can find none for Mar Sara.
Not even when we personally got involved against Da Crumpas did we get a roll.
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- United states
Uh, the whole Trust pretty much agreed that it would be better to try to actually keep him alive considering that it would actually make things way easier to us in the long run since he would likely take over any future waaghs thrown at us rather than have us deal with ones run by more competent Warboss'.
- Location
- Leeds
Yeah, I think there it was rolled just Durin didn't bother posting them.
- Location
- Australia
IIRC it was every 100 points, so a 300 point unit vs a 200 point unit will multiply kills by 4 and divide deaths by 4.
sabreFather
Dr Pepper is the flavour that I savour
- Location
- Land of Bears and Loggers AKA Oregon
[X] Plan Counters
If they didn't have so many Super-Heavies (or if we had managed to have doubled our Anti-Super-Heavy stuff) then I would have chosen Whittle Faster. As it is, their mobile AA is too plentiful at the moment. And since the mobile component is roughly 70-80% on the ground (Big Gunz, Gargants, and a variety of Ramshackle Vehicles), we make the skies safer FASTER through Scry and Fry rather than Air Defence. Remember, the only difference between the Ork's regular guns and AA is Range. Even a proper AA mount doesn't really change anything, because if an Ork in a buggy wants to shoot a plane beyond his weapon's normal traverse, he just breaks the mount to improve the traverse. And the same applies to an Ork deciding to shoot gitz with his AA gun, he breaks the mount and then starts shooting at guys on the ground.
If they didn't have so many Super-Heavies (or if we had managed to have doubled our Anti-Super-Heavy stuff) then I would have chosen Whittle Faster. As it is, their mobile AA is too plentiful at the moment. And since the mobile component is roughly 70-80% on the ground (Big Gunz, Gargants, and a variety of Ramshackle Vehicles), we make the skies safer FASTER through Scry and Fry rather than Air Defence. Remember, the only difference between the Ork's regular guns and AA is Range. Even a proper AA mount doesn't really change anything, because if an Ork in a buggy wants to shoot a plane beyond his weapon's normal traverse, he just breaks the mount to improve the traverse. And the same applies to an Ork deciding to shoot gitz with his AA gun, he breaks the mount and then starts shooting at guys on the ground.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
I wonder if we can put the idiot warboss in a statis field after we defeat him.
Defeating the Paragon Ork Warboss nonlethally might be an issue tho. Or maybe just have stacks of Telepaths/Biomancers control him after the Waaaagh is knocked back down to Tier 1.
Defeating the Paragon Ork Warboss nonlethally might be an issue tho. Or maybe just have stacks of Telepaths/Biomancers control him after the Waaaagh is knocked back down to Tier 1.
- Location
- Asia
[X] Plan Whittle Faster
- Location
- Berkeley
See, that just sounds like Evil Overlord List material. Forget the handicap of fighting non-lethally, the whole 'have an enemy that can fuck shit up stored in stasis' thing is just bad trope material.
- Location
- Australia
Not a bad idea. Once we have him subdued, we can do surgery on him and give him various implants filled with tranqs and tasers and stuff. We'll essentially use him as a dumb attack dog, activating the implants when he's finished with a job so we can collect him and put him back in stasis. He's Paragon Combat so he'd make an excellent weapon, and he's also really dumb so his chances of getting away from us are practically nil.
EDIT: I think this is something the Dark Eldar do sometimes so there is precedent, and we have Dark Age tech so it should be pretty easy for us.
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Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
It would be an interesting tactical error if the dumb warboss tried to level our AA emplacements with pure fighterbombing.
Then use Telepathy magixs to nerf his Martial even more.
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