Burden of the Emerald Empire (A Legend of the Five Rings Tale)

If we talk to Shem-Zhe about all of this...shouldn't we warn him about not eating the sushi or something?

No idea what the relevance/context of that is but better to cover all the bases while there's a chance.
 
Hey @gman391 is there a reason that the official options only offer one person? Since I'm not sure if theres some reason that Sirroccos [X] Pick everyone vote wasn't given to us.
 
Hey @gman391 is there a reason that the official options only offer one person? Since I'm not sure if theres some reason that Sirroccos [X] Pick everyone vote wasn't given to us.
Yes, a few in universe reasons

The cosmological one is that they don't want Shinjo deciding "G: All of them." When picking no one is too sure what happens if you have six suns...no one really wants to find out.


The cultural one is that matchmaking isn't done between multiple people. While polygamy is a thing, its done for the reason of ensuring heirs. Polyamoury is not something Rokugani really recognize.

And lastly the Scorpion discreetness of Ayumi has put forth that if the Heavens really are looking for cheaters. Then shotgunning a bunch of potential spouses at Shinjo may in fact tip them off.

You can ignore all of these, and honestly I should have put it into the update, but I was super eager to get something out and didn't go over it like I should have.
 
Yes, a few in universe reasons

The cosmological one is that they don't want Shinjo deciding "G: All of them." When picking no one is too sure what happens if you have six suns...no one really wants to find out.


The cultural one is that matchmaking isn't done between multiple people. While polygamy is a thing, its done for the reason of ensuring heirs. Polyamoury is not something Rokugani really recognize.

And lastly the Scorpion discreetness of Ayumi has put forth that if the Heavens really are looking for cheaters. Then shotgunning a bunch of potential spouses at Shinjo may in fact tip them off.

You can ignore all of these, and honestly I should have put it into the update, but I was super eager to get something out and didn't go over it like I should have.
Ah these are our final picks then? I'm slightly relived to find out that this isn't in universe The Bachalorete.
I understand that we can't expect you to post everything as that kind of a lot of work however could we ask you to post characters as they're finished then. Now that we understand where we went wrong I don't expect for SV to stop voting for more information until we've seen all of them.
 
Ah these are our final picks then? I'm slightly relived to find out that this isn't in universe The Bachalorete.
I understand that we can't expect you to post everything as that kind of a lot of work however could we ask you to post characters as they're finished then. Now that we understand where we went wrong I don't expect for SV to stop voting for more information until we've seen all of them.
No, there are other clans who have candidates as well. These are just the Unicorn ones that Otomo Kasumi, the Nakado who provided your marriage candidates all the way back in Year one, has found to have the most chance. She looked harder with the Unicorn for Shinjo's groom, then the other clans, as a priority thing. There's six others from the other Clans...whether they're better or not is subjective.
 
Four years and a war.
You may want to edit-retcon the "since...before his rise" part, then... unless he was being notably adamant that he'd never remarry while his wife was still alive?

So... none of them are perfect, and we're being dissuaded from sending more than one from the "don't want to cheat too obviously and/or wind up with multiple suns" side of things. I *still* think it's worth discussing with Shem-zhe, but we need a backup plan for the case where our Jade Champion is as adamantly opposed to the idea as his history suggests (and where the fact that it'd be Shinjo Herself and come with a position as the Sun is not sufficient to sway him). For that... I admit, I don't *know* that much about Shinjo. I suppose I can go digging at some point, but it's not going to be tonight. Does anyone else have anything insightful to offer?
 
No, there are other clans who have candidates as well. These are just the Unicorn ones that Otomo Kasumi, the Nakado who provided your marriage candidates all the way back in Year one, has found to have the most chance. She looked harder with the Unicorn for Shinjo's groom, then the other clans, as a priority thing. There's six others from the other Clans...whether they're better or not is subjective.
I... if we're going to offer multiple candidates in the end regardless of our fear she picks all of them and we end up with 6 suns why are we limited on our picks from any given clan? Six suns we can deal with, thirty six is probably too many?
 
*is confused*

I'm sure this means something, but I'm not sure what.
I meant its easy enough to make it so she made a mistake with that, or to retcon things. I went with the latter.

I... if we're going to offer multiple candidates in the end regardless of our fear she picks all of them and we end up with 6 suns why are we limited on our picks from any given clan? Six suns we can deal with, thirty six is probably too many?
To be more clear, one candidate is who you're going to focus on for Shinjo, you're winnowing down options with Kasumi until you get one. There is multiple for Hisao not Shinjo
Adhoc vote count started by gman391 on May 23, 2018 at 5:09 PM, finished with 19 posts and 7 votes.

  • [X] Speak with Shem-Zhe
    -[x] Not to push him into it, but to understand.
    -[x] Also to warn him. He's going to be in the area of Otosan Uchi, doing Jade Champion things... which means that, to the best of our understanding, there's a good chance that Shinjo will become interested in him and want him to become either the Sun or the Moon. Given his firmly stated position on the matter, it seemed like the sort of thing that would be worth considering and discussing *before* it happened.
    -[x] Of course, that doesn't mean we won't stack the deck. see to it that Iuchi Atlan, Shinjo Gan, and Moto Yui are all assigned to the efforts at Otosan Uchi as well
    [X] See candidates from the other clans
 
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Year 8: Tea with the Jade Champion
--Talk to Shem-Zhe

You thank Kasumi and tell her you will speak with your champion first. She bows and leaves you alone as the sun sets. With a quick note to Shem-Zhe that you will speak to him in the morning, you rise and decide to spend the rest of your day with your daughter.

That night is very cold as Kaname has opted instead to stay in the Empress suite rather than talk to you about your blunt orders. You knew you had upset her...but it had been a rare night when you two were in the same city let alone the same castle that you had gone to bed without seeing each other before going to Yume-do. Whether or not the Unicorn were the best choice...you had essentially ran them all over in your impatience.

More things to fix, you felt like you were running out of time again, like you had to do so much to keep it all going....you can sort of understand why your father decided to go ronin for a bit there sometimes.

That thought drags you off to sleep, and after a fitful journey to the realm of dreams, you awaken, still cold as you go about your day.

Shem Zhe has changed since you met him after the Jade Championship, there's more grey in his hair, and the light in his eyes is not gone but faded. Tempered by a war and the loss of his wife. He pours tea for you, a blend from the Jewelled City known as elma çayı according to him. It smells faintly of apples.

You take a sip, and look him in the eye, unsure of how to broach it. Just ordering your Jade Champion to go get married to a goddess might not go over well.

Finally he speaks instead.

"You wish me to pursue Shinjo-no-kami's hand" he says simply.

"Hai." You say there was nothing else to say.

"Would you be willing to, if your wife passed?" He asks.

You swallow its, a fair question. Kaname is a woman you've grown to love for all of your foibles, and for all of hers, you love her, you made the choice to love her yes, but it was very easy with her. If you didn't have her, if she had passed giving birth to Yuina or if the assassins of yesteryear had taken her...would you be willing to move on so easily?

The pragmatist in you, beaten in by Itsume-sensei says that you would, you would have to. The position of Empress is too important to leave vacant, and your daughters are still too few to build a dynasty on.

But your heart disagrees, if you can move on from Kaname so easily, did you ever love her at all?

Shem-zhe takes a sip of tea.

"And that is my answer. " He says simply.

"Hai, and it is a fair answer, but...if our goal is as it is, should we not put forth our best?" You ask.

"Honestly Mikado? No...while Togashi-no-kami has his reasons...I don't feel right trying to subvert the will of the Heavens. I am a man of faith in the end" Shem-zhe says.

"Even with recent history being what it is?" You ask.

"Even with. They created the Celestial Order, and we are all walking that same wheel, it is not good for our kharma to defy it." Shem-zhe answers.

"So you think Shinjo-no-kami should become the Sun with another Fortune becoming the Moon. But what if that Fortune is like the Water Dragon...or worse the Earth Dragon?" You ask.

"Then we will endure as we always have. For now my focus is on cleansing Otosan Uchi. Despite the loss of our scouting expedition, I am confident that we can reach the inner city next year." He says.

"Truly, the gates and the obelisks won't keep you out?" You asks suspicious.

He shrugs.
"We learn as much from failure as success."

"I cannot afford failure, not when so much rests on my shoulders" You say.

"Do you truly believe your effort alone turns the Empire?" He asks.

"Not my effort alone, but without it, the Empire does not turn at all" You say.

"Hmm...Fortune favours the Mortal Man as the Little Teacher says." he answers. "You are blessed my Emperor, but you cannot carry a world on your shoulders. You are not Hantei-no-kami."

"If not me than who?" You ask.

"That is what your council is for, is it not? I am not saying you should not be involved...I am saying that you should trust the people you select." Shem-zhe says.

"And if another incident with the Scorpion happens?" You ask.

"Its already going to happen." Shem Zhe says.

"...What...why?" You blink confused.

"Word has spread that you intend for Minoru to be trained by my clan, while I am glad that she will learn from us...you've pushed hard for years my Emperor to change the Empire, to make it grow again...and in doing so, traditions have been fought, they have been changed, and there was only so far that you could push that...while it might not be the Scorpion in particular who move...it will be one of the traditionalist clans that goes to war with mine, they cannot go gently into the night...no one could" Shem Zhe says.

You sip your tea.
Well you hadn't really thought of that when you made your decision. You just hadn't wanted all your work to be for nothing.

"That's why Kitsuki-san wanted the Mantis." You say softly.

"Hai...the Mantis for the most part can rely on the seas...only the Tsuruchi are truly vulnerable to a war. " he says.

"...thank you for speaking with me Shem-zhe" You say.

He nods and you both drink tea. Your mind still on what he said, is there a way to convince him to try for Shinjo's hand? Perhaps...

[] Write in an appeal
[] No, he has made his choice. (Time skip to Kyuden Hida)
 
[X] No, he has made his choice. (Time skip to Kyuden Hida)
-[X] Apologize to Shem-zhe for bringing up bad memories but let him know you asked him for this because you felt he was the most worthy man to become Lord Sun because you felt he would be able to handle the power without being corrupted by it.
-[X] Fallback plan: Shinjo Gan


He has served us well and even if he doesn't want to be Lord Sun we should reassure him that we just honestly felt he would be the most qualified.

Where is Lady Shinjo right now? In the Heavens? Or has she come down to the earth for this round of Bachelorette?
 
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[X] No, he has made his choice. (Time skip to Kyuden Hida)
-[X] Apologize to Shem-zhe for bringing up bad memories but let him know you asked him for this because you felt he was the most worthy man to become Lord Sun because you felt he would be able to handle the power without being corrupted by it.
 
[X] No, he has made his choice. (Time skip to Kyuden Hida)
-[X] Apologize to Shem-zhe for bringing up bad memories but let him know you asked him for this because you felt he was the most worthy man to become Lord Sun because you felt he would be able to handle the power without being corrupted by it.
 
[X] No, he has made his choice. (Time skip to Kyuden Hida)
-[X] Apologize to Shem-zhe for bringing up bad memories but let him know you asked him for this because you felt he was the most worthy man to become Lord Sun because you felt he would be able to handle the power without being corrupted by it.

Urgh, I suppose this is a limit of clan rating system. Since we've got generally good numbers I wasn't expecting people to be angry enough to declare war even on another clan.
 
Sadly that is a limit of the Clan Rating system, it doesn't really capture how clans feel about each other.
Would Hisao have a rough idea of just which clans are going to boil over first against the Unicorn/him?

The big traditional clans are to my knowledge the Lion and the Crane.

The Lion Champion is Hisao's brother so hopefully reassuring them of the need to adapt to the times shouldn't be too hard. They already had to do that once with the Unicorn with their high numbers of cavalry.
They will still be the Right Hand, just more opportunities to fight Gaijin Armies.

The Crane, I have not the Foggiest idea of how to sort all their issues out, other than them trying to maintain their inbuilt advantages in Rokugani Culture and proving the supremacy of their art.

The Crab's duties haven't changed and hopefully at Kyuden Hida we can get a better sounding of their viewpoint towards the changing times.

The Phoenix are also traditional iirc but isn't one of their big things acquiring knowledge? More knowledge of the outside world is still more Knowledge.

The Scorpion are low rating and Paneki PoV has mentioned him having to fight his own clan at times.
 
Phoenix, Lion, Crane and Scorpion are all tending towards a 'punch the Unicorn down' frame of mind. While Daio is Hisao's brother, that doesn't mean Daio is lockstep with him in his opinion of things. Daio would much prefer his niece and quasi sister were trained in the Lion like he is so he can keep watch over her.

On the Phoenix, while they are very spiritually focused on acquiring more knowledge with regards to the kami and magic. They are also conservative and highly religious, they already have some beef with the Unicorn due to the Lords of Death being in their mind at least somewhat heretical gods that attempted to usurp Emma-O god of the dead.

The Crane might be the premier art and cultural savants of Rokugan..but so far Hisao's dealings with them have been. "Help keep the ruling house in power" and "Do this thing you hate for me"
Domotai herself is pretty loyal, but that doesn't mean she won't engage in some Unicorn punch up if the Lion go for it, they are allied to the Lion after all

The Scorpion while pragmatists at heart, have basically seen much of their usual 'operational area' turn out around them as they attempt to reform. Paneki doesn't want to fight the Throne...but putting some Unicorn in their place so that Hisao knows that he's gotta back down? He's okay with that.
 
The Scorpion while pragmatists at heart, have basically seen much of their usual 'operational area' turn out around them as they attempt to reform. Paneki doesn't want to fight the Throne...but putting some Unicorn in their place so that Hisao knows that he's gotta back down? He's okay with that.
Operational area? What does that mean? I don't think Hisao has tried to crack down on their blackmaily ways or their dishonorable methods


Regarding Daio, I didn't mean that he will be a rubber stamp and agree with everything Hisao says. Just that they will likely be able to resolve it with talking to each other about it or at least it will have a lower TN to succeed at it. Besides didn't their regent basically try to guilt trip Hisao to not appoint the Matsu to the position of the Clan Champion because they felt they needed a breather from all war all the time just to stay afloat.
Less that the Lion won't burst into flame and more that they should be easier to put out instead of, say, the Crane.

Honestly surprised the Crane haven't launched a coup against either Domotai or Hisao yet/still/again. Admittedly they keep getting in the teeth but they just keep asking for unreasonable things or to screw another clan over.

Phoenix hopefully we could resolve with a grand conclave and they should be slightly mollified since they get to train Yuina to be an Ishiken

Will the Unicorn stand alone or will they have allies among the other clans? I assume the Dragon are going to remain neutral.
 
Operational area? What does that mean? I don't think Hisao has tried to crack down on their blackmaily ways or their dishonorable methods


Regarding Daio, I didn't mean that he will be a rubber stamp and agree with everything Hisao says. Just that they will likely be able to resolve it with talking to each other about it or at least it will have a lower TN to succeed at it. Besides didn't their regent basically try to guilt trip Hisao to not appoint the Matsu to the position of the Clan Champion because they felt they needed a breather from all war all the time just to stay afloat.
Less that the Lion won't burst into flame and more that they should be easier to put out instead of, say, the Crane.

Honestly surprised the Crane haven't launched a coup against either Domotai or Hisao yet/still/again. Admittedly they keep getting in the teeth but they just keep asking for unreasonable things or to screw another clan over.

Phoenix hopefully we could resolve with a grand conclave and they should be slightly mollified since they get to train Yuina to be an Ishiken

Will the Unicorn stand alone or will they have allies among the other clans? I assume the Dragon are going to remain neutral.
Hisao rewrote a law system that the Scorpion had spent literally centuries working with so that they were always in the margins, barely of whatever they pulled.

The Lion wanted the Matsu not in charge because the Matsu would have gotten them about three four different wars by now instead of this one. The Akodo were never not okay with attacking people just the quantity was the problem. And more importantly if it was just them they'd be more leery but if they get an alliance with a few other clans? That's a different set up.

Regarding Domotai not being couped...its entirely because the elements who would have gotten the impression that you might in fact declare them in rebellion and get the Crab to murder stomp them. (Somehow)

The Phoenix are not going to be mollified by a Grand Conclave because that's for the Brotherhood of Shinsei more than them, and while they appreciate getting Yuina...there's a lot of pressure to not have a Sezaru 2.0 and just because they're training your daughter doesn't mean the Moto aren't importing heretical gaijin nonsense.

The Mantis may stand with the Unicorn economically, same with the Crab but otherwise at present the Unicorn are having a hard of making allies. One of the downsides of putting the Moto in charge is that generations of treaties and operational experience that the Shinjo had at working the courts was essentially lost and the Ide can only do so much when they're not in charge of the clan.
 
I fear it is going to upset other clans in any combination. Unless we find someone respected and neutral for the job. Only one I can think of is our little brother. And that should be a no-go
 
Yeah I understand.
Would a Unicorn/reformist sun make the situation better or worse?
Hard to say. The Sun is in a weird headspace for the Rokugani, many preferred Amaterasu to Yakamo but Shinjo is a goddess in her own right and whatever you cook up, its her choice so that makes it on her. But they will probably be more circumspect if they think the Sun will smite them.
 
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