This is, as I've said before, a @PoptartProdigy quest. Even given that the antagonists were created specifically to illustrate how flawed and horrible a particular work of fiction is, we should NOT assume said antagonists will be pushovers, or that they will react weakly, stupidly, or with helplessness when faced with a devastating defeat.

We cannot underestimate our foes, even if they are stupid fanatics. All it takes is them getting lucky when we have our guard down and we are in for a world of pain.
 
@PoptartProdigy, assuming they sort out equipment issues, how long would it take for the Vicks to train another CMC division? How many could they produce in a worst-case scenario where they have 7 or more years and full Russian support (logistics, training, modern equipment)?
That sounds like an excellent series of questions for a foreign intelligence service.
@PoptartProdigy, sorry to keep bothering you, but I thought I should ask, could Victoria (and Russia) hire the same mercs they did in the Pacific War to harass or fight us? Will Japan get involved if they believe we are helping the rebellion in the NCR?
The same individuals are dead or useless. The same units haven't exactly kept up contact, and only maybe still exist. Mercenaries in general are possible, but Victoria needs what it can get to rebuild its own forces, so it doesn't seem likely.

You are not prepared or informed to predict the actions of the Empire of Japan.
 
Burns swallows. Then he lifts the radio in his hand up to his face.

"This is Hellfire. Two-five-niner-seven-Alfa-Tango-eight-Sierra-one..."

He rattles off numbers and letters for over a minute. The radio picks up his words, carries it up to the mast behind him, and carries his words to the world beyond. To most, it is a strange message from a terrifying man, doubtless signalling a change in his many plans. To Victoria, it is threatening -- a broadcast of unknown purpose from one of their greatest enemies.

To Burns...it comes to nothing.

I found this a deeply moving moment- Burns transmitting in the blind what is presumably a signal to surviving elements of the US military and government and then waiting hopelessly for an answer. As he refers to himself as "Hellfire" I assume this code was agreed upon at some point during the fall of the Pacific States of America after he had gained the nickname, which means that he's probably not trying to contact his pre-war American superiors but reaching out to one of the other US Army units that was still extant when the PSA fell and then scattered to the breeze. These would be troops the Devil Brigade fought beside at one point, fellow comrades-in-arms and promised to contact if they ever found a new place of safety- but there's no one else left to answer.

Unless we're very lucky- they may be on their way.

It was also nice to see my character Schultz appear!
 
Unless we're very lucky- they may be on their way.
Hey...don't lose hope...Hope is what built America.

Logan: I was a French Soldier once. I abandoned my homeland to return to the nation of my birth to MAKE a life, to fight for an idea that for all intents and purposes has been abandoned.

I've heard stories about wandering armies of men lost on battlefields from the Congo to Iran, To Vietnam and Even China.

Ghost Stories of Fleets of a ghost Nation sinking ships and raiding. I used to think they were just ghost stories told to frighten soldiers. Boogyman from America, who invaded our homes Raped our children and burned our cities.

I though that was the legacy of my birth Nation.

But then I realized they were lies. Stories of kindness, doctors and schools, of Men who only worked and did what they did because they had no HOME to go back to.

They were lost kids...men who's names were forgotten to all but themselves.

The Grey ghost stalks the Pasific, being a terror to Japan once again.

The First Calvery...lost Nomads in Afganastan, relearning old ways and preserving the ones they brought with them.

An Army of Men with Stars and Stripes fighting bandits as China collapsed around them, saving millions.

They aren't gone...Just lost waiting to come home.
 
Non-Canon Omake: International News
Who wants some international news?
Mind you, these are excerpts since I'm not up for writing long articles right now. Once again, recommend any edits...

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From the pages of The Australian:

MELBOURNE HEALTH CONFIRMS 6TH VICTIM OF H5N1​

…Melbourne Health says the woman, aged in her 50s, remains under home quarantine. Two other people who have had contact with the individual have also been placed in isolation, with four others who had met with the woman over the two-day period currently being sought after by health authorities…

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From the pages of the New Zealand Herald

CHINESE FOREIGN MINISTER QIU MENG ACCUSES PACS OF "WESTERN ALARMISM" OVER ROC NAVAL EXERCISES IN STRAIT OF MALACCA

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From the pages of the South China Morning Post:

TOKYO: DAY OF MOURNING FOR DECEASED JAPANESE DEPUTY GOVERNOR-GENERAL OF KOREA​

"The Japanese government has ordered all flags to be flown at half-mast following the death of Japanese Deputy Governor-General for Korea Takumi Morishige Wednesday afternoon when his self-driving car was involved in a fatal four-car pileup on the Gyeongbu Expressway…"

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From the pages of The Times

GERMANWINGS FLIGHT 6589 CREW LAUDED FOR SUCCESSFUL EMERGENCY LANDING AFTER COLLISION

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From the pages of The Times of Israel

AVRAM REGEV RESIGNS IN PROTEST AS MINISTER OF PUBLIC SECURITY​

In an announcement to the Knesset on Tuesday afternoon, Avram Regev formally resigned as Minister of Public Security in a show of protest following Prime Minister Shimon Yahalom's decision to transfer the six Sayeret Matkal commandos convicted for the 2074 Hebron Massacre to house arrest.

Regev presented his resignation letter to Prime Minister Yahalom's office just hours before his announcement. Though the details of the letter have yet to be released to the public, several officials in Yahalom's office have stated that the letter's contents were "profane and intentionally inflammatory" …

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From the pages of The New York Times International Edition

GERMAN ECONOMICS-ENERGY MINISTER ARRIVES FOR MULTILATERAL TALKS ON NUCLEAR ENERGY

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From the pages of The Guardian

PRIME MINISTER ORDERS INQUIRY OF BROADSWORD SECURITY FOR PAKISTAN WAR CRIMES​

…The investigation order follows in the wake of multiple reports of murder and excessive force against civilian protestors perpetrated by Broadsword Security guards deployed to Pakistan on convoy protection and bodyguard operations. Broadsword CEO Maura Redmond has stated that she intends to cooperate in full with the parliamentary investigation, yet maintains that Atwater's operations in the region have been vital to ensuring the security and safety of countless U.N. humanitarian operations…

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From the pages of The Wall Street Journal

BLUE STAR EQUITY INVESTMENTS BOARD MEMBER ARRESTED FOR INSIDER TRADING

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How could we possibly know that?
Like, literally the same people? Well, they'd be hiring a greatly attrited army of old farts, so bring 'em on!

Except that's obviously not what you meant. What you meant to ask was "could the Victorians and Russians hire mercenaries to fight us?" The answer is "dunno, maybe."

On the one hand, North America is a big place, and I'm sure there are places to find thousands of men willing to go kill foreigners for money or aid to their communities. On the other hand, consider the following points:

1) Victoria has no spare money to hire mercenaries on a large scale. They've just suffered a disastrous military defeat and need to rebuild, and their civilian economy will require upgrades to sustain the army they'd need to succeed in rebuilding.

2) Hiring mercenaries runs into obstacles. Firstly, recruitment. We just utterly wiped out what was previously the scariest armed force this continent has seen in forty years. We made it look fairly easy, even. They never advanced more than 20-30 miles against our opposed forces, and were slaughtered in the tens of thousands. Who would sign up to fight that?

3) Secondly, organization and training. This will take time. Russia could supply the weapons and trainers, but why? Wouldn't it be more effective to send that aid directly to Victoria?

4) Thirdly, logistics. From where will this mercenary army operate? Will the Russians support it as blatantly as they've supported Victoria? What lines of attack could it follow, that wouldn't result in them having to hammer past multiple defensive bottlenecks and/or large amounts of terrain we can trade for time and lives, to actually wreck the vitals of our state?

I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'm not especially worried about it posing a large scale military threat any time in the next few years.

How could we possibly know THAT?

...I mean, seriously, do you expect Poptart to just randomly volunteer tons of OOC information that we have no way of knowing in-character? I'm surprised they reveal as much as they do in this campaign; I think it's the effect of having the Discord chat. Or just desire to cool down rampant speculation that starts barking up the wrong tree and risks causing people to become utterly convinced of random ideas they just made up in their heads...
How could we possibly know THAT?

...I mean, seriously, do you expect Poptart to just randomly volunteer tons of OOC information that we have no way of knowing in-character? I'm surprised they reveal as much as they do in this campaign; I think it's the effect of having the Discord chat. Or just desire to cool down rampant speculation that starts barking up the wrong tree and risks causing people to become utterly convinced of random ideas they just made up in their heads...

I don't mean to ask for OOC information - just what we know about these questions IC, even if the answer is "very little" or "nothing" (as was the case), I thought that regardless of our knowledge or assumed knowledge on potential choices our adversaries could make - even if we know nothing - someone in the government has likely thought about the situation and thus I wanted to make sure that we understood all the facts we have right now IC. Sorry for the confusion.

That sounds like an excellent series of questions for a foreign intelligence service.

The same individuals are dead or useless. The same units haven't exactly kept up contact, and only maybe still exist. Mercenaries in general are possible, but Victoria needs what it can get to rebuild its own forces, so it doesn't seem likely.

You are not prepared or informed to predict the actions of the Empire of Japan.

I'm sorry if I was rude or demanding in the way I asked these questions alongside others and thanks for taking the time to answer them.
 
I don't mean to ask for OOC information - just what we know about these questions IC, even if the answer is "very little" or "nothing" (as was the case), I thought that regardless of our knowledge or assumed knowledge on potential choices our adversaries could make - even if we know nothing - someone in the government has likely thought about the situation and thus I wanted to make sure that we understood all the facts we have right now IC. Sorry for the confusion.
Just remember, the Commonwealth is geographically isolated in the heartland of a horribly impoverished continent, with patchy telecommunications access and extremely limited physical access to the outside world. We have literally no organized foreign intelligence agency. Our networks of informants exist but are scattered and not doing much, well... informing. We have no foreign analysts, no schools at which to train such individuals, no bureaucracy for the task. We have no liaisons or ambassadors with foreign countries, unless you count "city-states on the Great Lakes and in the Mississippi river basin" as 'foreign countries.'

The information available to us about the doings, mindset, and capabilities of any nation not on the North American continent, or even any great distance from our own borders, is going to be both patchy and heavily contaminated with bullshit. Like, you can't just go on a website and try to get coherent information out of it on what the military of nation like Victoriaverse Japan is going to do, because if you're not Japanese, you have no way of telling whether the website is accurate or full of JAPAN STRONG FOLDED 1000 TIMES idiots.

Victoria is close enough to us that we could learn a lot about them... except that they're a totalitarian dictatorship with a brutally efficient secret police force, a total blackout on mass media of almost all kinds, and enough xenophobia to power a regiment of Daleks.

So just... let's try to bear those realities in mind. Realistically, we have to recognize that certain kinds of information are, and will remain, "known unknowns" until we are in a far better position to acquire information than we are today.

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To be clear, it's not that the Commonwealth government will have given these matters no thought. It's that realistically the Commonwealth cannot hope to form answers accurate enough to be worth more than our own vaguely informed guesstimates.
 
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Canon Omake: Warbirds, Ch. 1
Warbirds, Ch. 1

Recommended Listening: A Health To The Company, Traditional.

Selfridge Air Force Base*
March 18, 2075


General Franks looks sharp and ready, though with a pain banked behind her eyes. Everyone had made it to the briefing room at the double, after the alarm sounded to summon them to duty.

"...You know the escort formation we have planned. The Vicks will come after the fleet this time- unfinished business from Buffalo. But with that in mind, they'll be loaded with antiship and antitank missiles, mostly. They have to know we have an air force, but we expect to surprise them with the number and quality of our planes and missiles. If they prepare for the force we expect, and fight as we expect them to fight-" she paused, as if there was something she wanted to say, but could not- "we have a shot at giving the Victorian Air Force its bloodiest nose in thirty years."

There was a hungry growl from at least half the assembled pilots.

"Get to your birds, and remember to come back! Your country needs you more than the world needs one more burning Vee."

There was an unshed tear at the corner of General Franks' eye, as she must be thinking what so many of them were, even the ones eager for this overmatched battle.

Wendy would put her faith in that little pause. She'd known Daria Franks for seven years. She could tell Franks wasn't lying, and genuinely expected them to have a chance.

For some reason. Not that it mattered; she'd have gone up anyway, a predator's voice snarled in her heart.

"Dismissed!"

Amber Cormier bounced out of the seat ahead of Wendy, and if the coming battle against a more numerous, better trained, and better armed enemy bothered her, that laughing wildfire of a woman gave no sign of it.

Wendy glanced across the aisle. Danny Smith was pale as a ghost, but his face was set, composed. As she rose, he rose too, and matched the others who were standing in their turns. He had the air of a man drawing his last reserve of dignity about himself for the short march to the firing squad.

She found herself wanting to give the poor man a hug for luck, or at least a kind word, even though sometimes he was a little afraid of girls, more so than she'd expect-

Then Amber, with the mercurial smile that could appear out of nowhere like the end of a summer squall, acted on what had been only a thought for Wendy.

And Danny smiled a little, patted her awkwardly on the back, and disengaged. Though he looked less like a man condemned, now.

They parted, going their separate ways, he to his Crusader, Amber to her gleaming Sierra Sue, and Wendy to her whirring, endearingly ugly old Dump Truck.



As the last of the mechanics backed away from the Skyraider, Wendy climbed in, placing a fond hand on the dirty-yellow paint.

The subject of recognition paint schemes had come up, back at Abraham Lincoln, a year ago. General Franks had just smiled at the arguments about how to hammer out a color scheme for so many different planes, so many different little shades of hardened bandit-busting experience and squadron pride, historical re-enactors cooing over hangar queen jets, and everything in between.

"The Vicks paint everything matte white. So paint them blue. Paint them red. Paint them any or every color of the rainbow. As long as they're not white."

So they had. Maybe they should have standardized. Maybe they should have had it decided from top down. Maybe a better air force would have. Maybe the Commonwealth Air Force looked like a goddamn circus on the wing.

But this flying circus, heh, was theirs.

As she climbed into the cockpit, Wendy's mouth was open, and her teeth were showing. She must be smiling, but her grin couldn't have been much wider if it had been one of the shark noses painted on the Mustangs. And no less predatory.

Dump Truck seated three in theory, but she'd had the extra seats pulled; no need for the extra fractional weight, or much of anything, on a run like this. Takeoff was nothing special. She was part of the old Chicago Air Force, the part that worked for a living. She had more than enough hours on this bird to know her tricks, the vicious torque of the old piston engine, the exact response of the controls.

Solo Squadron, ironically named, took off. Wendy flew again, in an old, familiar plane, through an old familiar sky- to a battle far from home, against weapons she'd never faced before.



They flew low and at a leisurely cruise, perhaps the slowest old warbirds in the Commonwealth Air Force. Certainly among the oldest. Two big old Skyraiders, and three Corsairs. The jets would be along later; many of them couldn't match her piston-engine aircraft's loiter time.

Jasmine Walker, sticking tight to Wendy's four o'clock as understudy and wingwoman, had kept hers in insufferably traditionalist Navy blue. Black Sheep, a name to conjure with for more reasons than one, scrolled across the right side, out of her sight.

Jack Holloway's I'm Back, off to Wendy's left, had painted his plane in a gray almost pale enough to break the one true regulation, and added a flowing, hungry, sinister ghost down her right side, all bright red fangs and claws and reaching arms. Fitting, probably, for the old warbird they'd dragged out of a museum in, of all places, Oshkosh.

Tommy Soung, trailing a bit farther than Wendy liked, had… decorated... his Corsair in an eye-watering checkerbox pattern of at least four different colors. Arguably eight. He said the idea was that nobody could aim a gun at Lead Brick if their eyes crossed whenever they looked at the plane. Wendy was starting to believe him.

And Bad News, a sister Skyraider, further behind still, an afterthought to the four-ship formation, part of the last-minute museum raids, stripped of a peeling coat of that same navy blue and- well, Jeremy Torres had taken "every color of the rainbow" more literally than most. He was drifting a bit. But then, he probably couldn't lose sight of the formation. Not with her own bright yellow Dump Truck out in front. The kid would shake out fine, soon enough- if he lived.

If any of them lived.

They orbited over the dilapidated ruins of the subdivision south of them as Jeremy tightened things up a bit. And then it was fifteen miles over Lake St. Clair to be joined by the four up-armed Texan IIs of Meteor Squadron. Twenty miles more, over the farms and forests of Essex County. All past, in the space of ten minutes. And there they were, to orbit the plucky little gunboats and their clouds of coal smoke as they steamed out the mouth of the Detroit River.

"Solo, Meteor, this is Lancer squadron. Joining the stack. We'll be passing you to the left and about… a thousand feet above. Watch and weep!"

And soon, there they were, waggling their wings. There'd been a lot of flyable P-51 Mustangs in private collections before the Collapse. Maybe a hundred, maybe more. Seven had made their way to Chicago, at one time or another. Four were still in flying condition. Worry Bird and Cottonmouth, Sierra Sue and Gentleman Jim, in a tight diamond, casually buzzed past her own looser, slower-going formation, engines barely ticking over, a few glints of sunlight on bare aluminum when the angle was right.

The Mustangs were faster than Solo's Corsairs, even as the smaller Corsairs could outrun her Skyraider- by a little, at cruise. A lot more at redline, but none of them had redlined their engines any time this decade. Maybe they would today. Or maybe they'd all be blown out of the sky by radar-guided rockets before they ever sighted the Viks. Who knew?

But if only they could get close...

Well, even the prop planes had a few teeth of their own. The Skyraider could carry four tons of bombs, rockets, and gun pods; the Corsair could handle around two. The flying characteristics weren't quite the same, but close enough to work together.

For this, the ground crews had already loaded each plane in her flight up with a brace of homebrewed Sidewinder knock-offs. They might not be the Air Force's best, but, in all fairness, her plane had no fire control, no jet afterburner, and not much avionics of any kind. Nothing like the Wolverines that Governor Jameson had somehow gotten for them, two years back. Certainly nothing like the jets.

She'd just have to hope the Wolverines- and the jet jockies- made the best shots count. Because her Solos carried only two missiles each, ones that just might work if launched right up a Vee's tailpipe. Well, that and gun pods. Lots of gun pods.

It was a chance, she supposed. If General Franks, or General Burns, knew something she didn't.

Better hope for that, too.

And for all that, she wouldn't miss this for the world. Not after what she'd seen, of these scarred lands.

Not many people flew these days. But she'd seen more than her share of America from the air, one way or another. There were some stretches of countryside where, from ten thousand feet, you could almost pretend the nation was whole and healthy.

But you had to pretend hard, and she knew who was to blame.

If there was anyone who'd come up, like her, through the Chicago Air Patrol who wouldn't die happy as long as they died fighting Vicks, well... Wendy would have a hard time getting inside their heads, and that was all.



*(Formerly a Michigan Air National Guard base. Redesignated by a Commonwealth-Detroit joint committee January 26, 2075)
 
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That sounds like an excellent series of questions for a foreign intelligence service.

The same individuals are dead or useless. The same units haven't exactly kept up contact, and only maybe still exist. Mercenaries in general are possible, but Victoria needs what it can get to rebuild its own forces, so it doesn't seem likely.

You are not prepared or informed to predict the actions of the Empire of Japan.

Are there mercenaries in the numbers? I am going to assume that during the previous incident, because we were closer to the ground zero fo the collapse, there were going to be many professional soldiers without pay that could be tapped, are they now? I mean, they could get totaly not Russian Troops, but... and that is assuming the Russians have the slack to give away X number of troop formations, but that would still be rather transparent
 
You say it like it's the arrival of a natural calamity. As a canadian, I am rather offended.

As a Canadian, you should know that Toronto is a natural calamity!

Are there mercenaries in the numbers? I am going to assume that during the previous incident, because we were closer to the ground zero fo the collapse, there were going to be many professional soldiers without pay that could be tapped, are they now? I mean, they could get totaly not Russian Troops, but... and that is assuming the Russians have the slack to give away X number of troop formations, but that would still be rather transparent

I wonder how many Russain client states there are and if they can shuffle native forces around.

Victorians were used as heavies overseas by the Russians, so it might be possible that the Russians can ship over forces from other "allies" and just have them officially be part of that Crusade that Alexander was totally going to call, here to help their religious brethren in an act of global Christian unity (or whatever).

So the Russians move over troops that would be second rate in a showdown between the Russian Empire and the EU, (or the Russian Empire and China, or whatever combination thereof) but are more than adequate in a third world shithole like the former United States against a band of plucky and lucky Communists squatting in some ruins that got one over on a bunch of Fanatics.
(I think that one got away from me)
 
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so, victora is about to go from a net resource postie, to a large resource negative for Alexander. I wonder how much he can spare and for now how long?
 
so, victora is about to go from a net resource postie, to a large resource negative for Alexander. I wonder how much he can spare and for now how long?

To be fair in his position he could probably sink a lot into "keep the former US a third world shithole" and still come out ahead just by preventing ankther challenger from appearing to challenge his legacy.


So he's probably willing to sink a fair bit of resources into Victoria to keep North America fucked over
 
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I think its important to remember, North America is a "third world shit-hole".

While Russia would certainly prefer Victoria to be top dog than not, it has other more pressing issues far closer to home.

I personally doubt Russia is going to spare Victoria more than the bare minimum because there are really no consequences for Russia if Victoria is destroyed. Its not like anything on North America could threaten them. The NCR is the closest thing the continent has to a threat and it will be busy with Japan (if it successfully seceedes). At worst, not saving Victoria will hurt the trust of Russia's other puppet states, but that's managable.
 
I think its important to remember, North America is a "third world shit-hole".

While Russia would certainly prefer Victoria to be top dog than not, it has other more pressing issues far closer to home.

I personally doubt Russia is going to spare Victoria more than the bare minimum because there are really no consequences for Russia if Victoria is destroyed. Its not like anything on North America could threaten them. The NCR is the closest thing the continent has to a threat and it will be busy with Japan (if it successfully seceedes). At worst, not saving Victoria will hurt the trust of Russia's other puppet states, but that's managable.

You'll rmember the amoint of time and effort the US has spent on so called "third world shitholes" to keep them that way.

I suspect that the only thing keeping us from getting Desert Stormed in a few of years, after the proper causus belli is found, is the fact that Sister Cali is going to get all up in Russia's face first.

Like at some point here we're going to end up afraid of the skies as random Russian deathbots launch out of Victorian airfields to US-support-in-Yemen our faces in.

Really to picture Russia's next moves just think "what would the US do to fuck over a country operating against its interests and without a patron?" and that list has a lot of assassinations, sabotage, coups, troops on the ground, and aerial fuckage on it.

Russia is still a superpower, even if Alexander diesnt spare a lot even a minimal amount of attention is terrifying.
 
Non-Canon Omake: A War of Feasts
I just had a thought.

@clockworkchaos ...

What kind of sandwiches are you used to!?
A proper retrocutlure sandwich.


Location: Chicago, Presidents room, top level security clearance staff only.

"And as such, we all know that they will need to eat a sandwich. But, but simply eating that sandwich isn't enough, because they can't just recharge. No, we beat them, and beat them without once looking like we were in true danger. They needed to eat not just a sandwich, but a hero sub, the kind of thing that will make you better. The one you eat after doing a workout and are starving. Not that Vick's aren't good at that, starving, that is.

As such, their army will be new. Fed on sandwiches different from the last war. This won't be an army dedicated primarily to stealing candy from baby states and strangling them in their crib. It we be an army with on purpose. Kicking our ass, burning us to the ground, and making sure that Chicago never bothers them again. Then they are likely to go back to stealing afterwards, but that isn't really a concern for us, because we will stop them here. And in order to do that we need to eat our own meal.

Now personally I'd love to have a full meal. Our own deep dish pizza of freedom, with all the toppings. Build the rich tangy sauce of a full green-water, the risen crust of a risen air-force, hundreds-of-thousands of men-and-women like a thick cheese topped with meaty tanks and artillery. But, well, that is a lot of work, and a lot of money we don't have. So, we are going to have to settle for something lesser.

It's not all bad though. Retroculturalism ain't very good at sandwich making, so their own sandwich is probably going to be a might disappointing. They should have a full navy, a full airforce, tanks, artillery, body armor. A sandwich with all the toppings, chips and a drink. But they won't be able to, cause they don't have that kind of cash, and will have to settle for a soggy sandwich with water on the side and while Russia might help up, will help em some, they probably won't subsidize everything.

This war was fought with what both sides had on hand, and we made better use of ours than they did theirs. But the next hot-dog-eating contest will be determine by who prepared better. If we do well, we might win the next even easier, but if the Victorian's do well, Detroit will be gone, and Chicago soon to follow. We screw up next war, they will likely have built a war machine that can continue on to Chicago quick-like.

So, we want to make sure our choices counter theirs. Make sure we got the meal that will go well, like paring a beer with the proper meat. Now, the best way to do that is to have a menu. Right now, we don't have much to go on, only guesses. I'll talk about those, but what we really need to know exactly what they are cooking up, so we can devour it. To that end the biggest things we should look to is getting up an information network. Doesn't matter if that's spies in their kitchen, or asking their neighbors bout the smells coming from their kitchen, we need to know. Also worth keeping in mind, we probably don't need exact details, just the shape of things. They importing tanks? Lot of work going on at their docks? We won't get every side-dish, but we can probably guess the main course.

At the same time, we don't want them in our kitchen. And I know they will be looking to put some poison in our meals. Turn other kitchens against us. We need to keep up our own vigilance.

Even without knowing their plans, we can start thinking about the options. First up is the time, cause like other meals, whether they are serving up a light and fast breakfast, a decent size lunch, or a big dinner is going to be vital. Longer they take, the bigger the meal they ate, but the longer we have. If we got only a short time, we want to look at quick, cheap improvements. If we got longer, then we might want to look at more long-term options, sharpening our knives, and getting a new grill, so to speak.

I see a couple options. The earliest they could attack would be in one and a half years. Not don't get me wrong. They won't be ready. But, when our Californian friends start their little, let's say, disagreement as to their current seating arrangements, the Russians might want something trying to take California's sandwich from behind. And pretty sure if Russia says jump, Victoria will. Sadly, intelligence won't do us much good for this one, since they weren't planning on going this early, though it does mean they will be half-cocked, on the other hand likely to have heavy Russian support. Estimate 3 months warning.

Secondly, we could be looking at a 3-5-year timeline. They eat their sandwich, do a little digesting, and get going. This seems to be the most likely option. If we can't be sure when we probably want to make sure we at least have our pants up and lobster bib on 3 years out, but better if we know exactly when.

Final option is they take their time, have their battered-wife and Sugar daddy… I mean civilians and Russia, make them a proper home-cooked meal. Expect them to have a heavy army, one we best be prepared to fight hard, though it ain't necessarily going to be a balanced army, they will likely overload on some factors, go light on others. Though the meat-and-potatoes of their army is still going to be infantry. Our too. Neither of us can afford much else.

Easiest change I can see them making is a proper logistic corp. CMC already has it, and frankly Russia will probably insist on it. It's cheap for them to demand that Victoria do so, and they can always lend trucks much cheaper than military hardware. Plus, since this army is here to kick ass, not gorge themselves, they ain't going to have the forging training of the old one. Also, expect them to be less aggressive. Not gonna have as many fanatics, and they know where trying to fight against our fixed defenses got em last time. The army will likely be a might more patient, trying to take us piecemeal rather than choking on us in one bite.

On our side, training up troops is the change we can make that is guaranteed to help. Infantry is the backbone, so we will want to eat their sandwich. Though we might not want to overeat. Infantry use a lot of sandwiches, if you know what I mean, and some specialized actions might have better calorie-per-ounce.

Way I see it, Victorian's got two problems. Getting to us. And fighting us once the get to us. Long as we keep up our navy getting to us is going to be a bit of a problem for them. Way I see it, they got three options.

First, they could try to match us, get a proper fish and chips dish. I hope they do. We have the naval experience, we have the ship building experience, we have the sailors. Victoria used up a lot of their sailors already, and they ain't to keen on them. After all, people who can sail can leave. But they might, might even go for some alt tactics.

For all that we laugh at their navy, doubling down on what they already had, if done properly, could be a lot more dangerous than some commanders think. Sure, these boats can't match us one to one, or even ten to one. But hundreds of them? Just drenching the seas? That might be more of a threat than you think, if the swarm us. Like a plate of bottomless fries, sure each individual one is tiny, but you can only eat so much, and they just keep coming.

They could also go for a submarine sandwich. Would fit in with them wanting to be all clever and stealthy, but frankly I doubt they have the know-how, and if they want to put all their technical expertise into that, I say let em.

The option that worries me most is they go for chicken dish. Investing in their airforce for use as an anti-ship option and leaving the navy to transportation only. Airforce was bad enough sabotaged without much munitions, one dedicated to it would have torn our navy to shreds. Granted, ain't very forth generation, but…. Well they might go for some exotic sushi. Use the WWII fetish of theirs, only talk up the Japanese, how good their aircraft were, how aircraft are the 'maneuver warfare of the sea', and such-like.

Their final option is to try a land approach. Capturing towns across the lakes and holding em. Not fun, would use a lot of troops, but they could do it. Our best play here is to make sure we are friendly with the towns and have intelligence networks. Then we can use our own control of the seas to make raids anywhere on their supply lines we please. Stealing their sandwiches and insuring that their troops are as hungry as last time. They might try this in winter, but honestly, I'd like to see em try.

One they get to us, the got lots of options for condiments to their infantry. The heavy gravy of tanks is something a lot of people have suggested they use, given they already have some, and it fits their breakthrough. I think they might be inclined to squeeze out more artillery. The only survivors they are going to have are mostly the Lemington force, and I'm betting the artillery made a big impression on them. Still, both forces had a catastrophic encounter with the devil brigade eating their lunch, no way they won't have something that can, at least in theory, counter it.

So that's my summary of the situation, any thoughts, Madam president?"

Sara cleared her throat. "Yes, I move we break for lunch, and make sure not to hold these discussion from 11 to 2 with including some sort of meal in between."

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I have a quest to write, I have dispatches planned. But here we are. Extending one stupid joke past the point of breaking.
 
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To be fair in his position he could probably sink a lot into "keep the former US a third world shithole" and still come out ahead just by preventing ankther challenger from appearing to challenge his legacy.


So he's probably willing to sink a fair bit of resources into Victoria to keep North America fucked over

To an extent, but her's the thing, USA rising would be a long slow process, and he has a lot of urgent issues. When you have six balls in the air and can catch five of them, sometimes you let the least immediate one fall. Alexander has a lot of balls in the air right now, and this would definitely be another few.
 
To an extent, but her's the thing, USA rising would be a long slow process, and he has a lot of urgent issues. When you have six balls in the air and can catch five of them, sometimes you let the least immediate one fall. Alexander has a lot of balls in the air right now, and this would definitely be another few.
On the other hand, sunk cost fallacy is one helluva drug. See the long, painful process of withdrawing from vietnam or the collapse of imperial colonies in the mid-20th century
 
You'll rmember the amoint of time and effort the US has spent on so called "third world shitholes" to keep them that way.

I suspect that the only thing keeping us from getting Desert Stormed in a few of years, after the proper causus belli is found, is the fact that Sister Cali is going to get all up in Russia's face first.

Like at some point here we're going to end up afraid of the skies as random Russian deathbots launch out of Victorian airfields to US-support-in-Yemen our faces in.

Really to picture Russia's next moves just think "what would the US do to fuck over a country operating against its interests and without a patron?" and that list has a lot of assassinations, sabotage, coups, troops on the ground, and aerial fuckage on it.

Russia is still a superpower, even if Alexander diesnt spare a lot even a minimal amount of attention is terrifying.
That's true. But, people have been talking about Russia fighting the war in Victoria's stead.
That doesn't make sense since Victoria's whole purpose is to do the fight in Russia's place.

I also think the Commonwealth's lack of a patron is a point in its favor. Russia is not ceding regional influence to a rival by not propping up Victoria with everything it can.

Finally, there's the whole matter of Russian interests.
Victoria is providing Russia with bupkiss in terms of resources (the NCR is a different story).
And FCNY is the only enemy client-state around. I suppose Japan's colonies could be considered rivals though.

Now you're right that even all of this isn't stopping a flight of Russian bombers from just leveling downtown Chicago as a example to others.
What is stopping them from doing that are its own regional rivals in Europe and Asia.
 
A proper retrocutlure sandwich.


Location: Chicago, Presidents room, top level security clearance staff only.

"And as such, we all know that they will need to eat a sandwich. But, but simply eating that sandwich isn't enough, because they can't just recharge. No, we beat them, and beat them without once looking like we were in true danger. They needed to eat not just a sandwich, but a hero sub, the kind of thing that will make you better. The one you eat after doing a workout and are starving. Not that Vick's aren't good at that, starving, that is.

As such, their army will be new. Fed on sandwiches different from the last war. This won't be an army dedicated primarily to stealing candy from baby states and strangling them in their crib. It we be an army with on purpose. Kicking our ass, burning us to the ground, and making sure that Chicago never bothers them again. Then they are likely to go back to stealing afterwards, but that isn't really a concern for us, because we will stop them here. And in order to do that we need to eat our own meal.

Now personally I'd love to have a full meal. Our own deep dish pizza of freedom, with all the toppings. Build the rich tangy sauce of a full green-water, the risen crust of a risen air-force, hundreds-of-thousands of men-and-women like a thick cheese topped with meaty tanks and artillery. But, well, that is a lot of work, and a lot of money we don't have. So, we are going to have to settle for something lesser.

It's not all bad though. Retroculturalism ain't very good at sandwich making, so their own sandwich is probably going to be a might disappointing. They should have a full navy, a full airforce, tanks, artillery, body armor. A sandwich with all the toppings, chips and a drink. But they won't be able to, cause they don't have that kind of cash, and will have to settle for a soggy sandwich with water on the side and while Russia might help up, will help em some, they probably won't subsidize everything.

This war was fought with what both sides had on hand, and we made better use of ours than they did theirs. But the next hot-dog-eating contest will be determine by who prepared better. If we do well, we might win the next even easier, but if the Victorian's do well, Detroit will be gone, and Chicago soon to follow. We screw up next war, they will likely have built a war machine that can continue on to Chicago quick-like.

So, we want to make sure our choices counter theirs. Make sure we got the meal that will go well, like paring a beer with the proper meat. Now, the best way to do that is to have a menu. Right now, we don't have much to go on, only guesses. I'll talk about those, but what we really need to know exactly what they are cooking up, so we can devour it. To that end the biggest things we should look to is getting up an information network. Weather that's spies in their kitchen, or asking their neighbors bout the smells coming from their kitchen, we need to know. Also worth keeping in mind, we probably don't need exact details, just the shape of things. They importing tanks? Lot of work going on at their docks? We won't get every side-dish, but we can probably guess the main course.

At the same time, we don't want them in our kitchen. And I know they will be looking to put some poison in our meals. Turn other kitchens against us. We need to keep up our own vigilance.

Even without knowing there plans, we can start thinking about the options. First up is the time, cause like other meals, weather they are serving up a light and fast breakfast, a decent size lunch, or a big dinner is going to be vital. Longer they take, the bigger the meal they ate, but the longer we have. If we got only a short time, we want to look at quick, cheap improvement. If we got longer, then we might want to look at more long-term options, sharpening our knives, and getting a new grill, so to speak.

I see a couple options. The earliest they could attack would be in one and a half years. Not don't get me wrong. They won't be ready. But, when our Californian friends start their little, let's say, disagreement as to their current seating arrangements, the Russian's might want something trying to take California's sandwich from behind. And pretty sure if Russia says jump, Victoria will. Sadly, intelligence won't do us much good for this one, since they weren't planning on going this early, though it does mean they will be half-cocked, on the other hand likely to have heavy Russian support. Estimate 3 months warning.

Secondly, we could be looking at a 3-5-year timeline. They eat their sandwich, do a little digesting, and get going. This seems to be the most likely option. If we can't be sure when we probably want to make sure we at least have our pants up and lobster bib on 3 years out, but better if we know exactly when.

Final option is they take their time, have their battered-wife and Sugar daddy… I mean civilians and Russia, make them a proper home-cooked meal. Expect them to have a heavy army, one we best be prepared to fight hard, though it ain't necessarily going to be a balanced army, they will likely overload on some factors, go light on others. Though the meat-and-potatoes of their army is still going to be infantry. Our too. Neither of us can afford much else.

Easiest change I can see them making is a proper logistic corp. CMC already has it, and frankly Russia will probably insist on it. It's cheap for them to demand that Victoria do so, and they can always lend trucks much cheaper than military hardware. Plus, since this army is here to kick ass, not gorged themselves, they ain't going to have the forging training of the old one. Also, expect them to be less aggressive. Not gonna have as many fanatics, and they know where trying to fight against our fixed defenses got em last time. The army will likely be a might more patient, trying to take us piecemeal rather than chocking on us in one bite.

On our side, training up troops is the change we can make that is guaranteed to help. Infantry is the backbone, so we will want to eat their sandwich. Though we might not want to overeat. Infantry use a lot of sandwiches, if you know what I mean, and some specialized actions might have better calorie-per-ounce.

Way I see it, Victorian's got two problems. Getting to us. And fighting us once the get to us. Long as we keep up our navy getting to us is going to be a bit of a problem for them. Way I see it, they got three options.

First, they could try to match us, get a proper fish and chips dish. I hope they do. We have the naval experience, we have the ship building experience, we have the sailors. Victoria used up a lot of their sailors already, and the ain't to keen on them. After all, people who can sail can leave. But they might, might even go for some alt tactics.

For all that we laugh at their navy, doubling down on what they already had, if done properly, could be a lot more dangerous than some commanders think. Sure, these boats can't match us 1 to one, or even ten to one. But hundreds of them? Just drenching the seas? That might be more of a threat than you think, if the swarm us. Like a plate of bottomless fries, sure each individual one is tiny, but you can only eat so much, and they just keep coming.

They could also go for a submarine sandwich. Would fit in with them wanting to be all clever and stealthy, but frankly I doubt they have the know-how, and if they want to put all their technical expertise into that, I say let em.

The option that worries me most is they go for chicken dish. Investing in their airforce for use as an anti-ship option and leaving the navy to transportation only. Airforce was bad enough sabotaged without much munitions, one dedicated to it would have torn our navy to shreds. Granted, ain't very forth generation, but…. Well they might go for some exotic sushi. Use the WWII fetish of theirs, only talk up the Japanese, how good their aircraft were, how aircraft are the 'maneuver warfare of the sea', and such-like.

Their final option is to try a land approach. Capturing towns across the lakes and holding em. Not fun, would use a lot of troops, but they could do it. Our best play here is to make sure we are friendly with the towns and have intelligence networks. Then we can use our own control of the seas to make raids anywhere on their supply lines we please. Stealing their sandwiches and insuring that their troops are as hungry as last time. They might try this in winter, but honestly, I'd like to see em try.

One they get to us, the got lots of options for condiments to their infantry. The heavy gravy of tanks is something a lot of people have suggested they use, given they already have some, and it fits their breakthrough. I think they might be inclined to squeeze out more artillery. The only survivors they are going to have are mostly the Lemington force, and I'm betting the artillery made a big impression on them. Still, both forces had a catastrophic encounter with the devil brigade eating their lunch, no way they won't have something that can, at least in theory, counter it.

So that's my summary of the situation, any thoughts, Madam president?"

Sara cleared her throat. "Yes, I move we break for lunch, and make sure not to hold these discussion from 11 to 2 with including some sort of meal in between."

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I have a quest to write, I have dispatches planned. But here we are. Extending one stupid joke past the point of breaking.
...now I'm hungry. I think I'll go to eat
 
Who wants some international news?
Mind you, these are excerpts since I'm not up for writing long articles right now. Once again, recommend any edits...

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From the pages of The Australian:

MELBOURNE HEALTH CONFIRMS 6TH VICTIM OF H5N1​

…Melbourne Health says the woman, aged in her 50s, remains under home quarantine. Two other people who have had contact with the individual have also been placed in isolation, with four others who had met with the woman over the two-day period currently being sought after by health authorities…

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From the pages of the New Zealand Herald

CHINESE FOREIGN MINISTER QIU MENG ACCUSES PACS OF "WESTERN ALARMISM" OVER ROC NAVAL EXERCISES IN STRAIT OF MALACCA

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From the pages of the South China Morning Post:

TOKYO: DAY OF MOURNING FOR DECEASED JAPANESE DEPUTY GOVERNOR-GENERAL OF KOREA​

"The Japanese government has ordered all flags to be flown at half-mast following the death of Japanese Deputy Governor-General for Korea Takumi Morishige Wednesday afternoon when his self-driving car was involved in a fatal four-car pileup on the Gyeongbu Expressway…"

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From the pages of The Times

GERMANWINGS FLIGHT 6589 CREW LAUDED FOR SUCCESSFUL EMERGENCY LANDING AFTER COLLISION

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From the pages of The Times of Israel

AVRAM REGEV RESIGNS IN PROTEST AS MINISTER OF PUBLIC SECURITY​

In an announcement to the Knesset on Tuesday afternoon, Avram Regev formally resigned as Minister of Public Security in a show of protest following Prime Minister Shimon Yahalom's decision to transfer the six Sayeret Matkal commandos convicted for the 2074 Hebron Massacre to house arrest.

Regev presented his resignation letter to Prime Minister Yahalom's office just hours before his announcement. Though the details of the letter have yet to be released to the public, several officials in Yahalom's office have stated that the letter's contents were "profane and intentionally inflammatory" …

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From the pages of The New York Times International Edition

GERMAN ECONOMICS-ENERGY MINISTER ARRIVES FOR MULTILATERAL TALKS ON NUCLEAR ENERGY

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From the pages of The Guardian

PRIME MINISTER ORDERS INQUIRY OF BROADSWORD SECURITY FOR PAKISTAN WAR CRIMES​

…The investigation order follows in the wake of multiple reports of murder and excessive force against civilian protestors perpetrated by Broadsword Security guards deployed to Pakistan on convoy protection and bodyguard operations. Broadsword CEO Maura Redmond has stated that she intends to cooperate in full with the parliamentary investigation, yet maintains that Atwater's operations in the region have been vital to ensuring the security and safety of countless U.N. humanitarian operations…

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From the pages of The Wall Street Journal

BLUE STAR EQUITY INVESTMENTS BOARD MEMBER ARRESTED FOR INSIDER TRADING

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Hm...non-canon because I'm still not sure what to do about Israel. I like it, though!
I'm sorry if I was rude or demanding in the way I asked these questions alongside others and thanks for taking the time to answer them.
You were not rude, and I don't mind answering.
Warbirds, Ch. 1

Recommended Listening: A Health To The Company, Traditional.

Selfridge Air Force Base*
March 18, 2075


General Franks looks sharp and ready, though with a pain banked behind her eyes. Everyone had made it to the briefing room at the double, after the alarm sounded to summon them to duty.

"...You know the escort formation we have planned. The Vicks will come after the fleet this time- unfinished business from Buffalo. But with that in mind, they'll be loaded with antiship and antitank missiles, mostly. They have to know we have an air force, but we expect to surprise them with the number and quality of our planes and missiles. If they prepare for the force we expect, and fight as we expect them to fight-" she paused, as if there was something she wanted to say, but could not- "we have a shot at giving the Victorian Air Force its bloodiest nose in thirty years."

There was a hungry growl from at least half the assembled pilots.

"Get to your birds, and remember to come back! Your country needs you more than the world needs one more burning Vee."

There was an unshed tear at the corner of General Franks' eye, as she must be thinking what so many of them were, even the ones eager for this overmatched battle.

Wendy would put her faith in that little pause. She'd known Daria Franks for seven years. She could tell Franks wasn't lying, and genuinely expected them to have a chance.

For some reason. Not that it mattered; she'd have gone up anyway, a predator's voice snarled in her heart.

"Dismissed!"

Amber Cormier bounced out of the seat ahead of Wendy, and if the coming battle against a more numerous, better trained, and better armed enemy bothered her, that laughing wildfire of a woman gave no sign of it.

Wendy glanced across the aisle. Danny Smith was pale as a ghost, but his face was set, composed. As she rose, he rose too, and matched the others who were standing in their turns. He had the air of a man drawing his last reserve of dignity about himself for the short march to the firing squad.

She found herself wanting to give the poor man a hug for luck, or at least a kind word, even though sometimes he was a little afraid of girls, more so than she'd expect-

Then Amber, with the mercurial smile that could appear out of nowhere like the end of a summer squall, acted on what had been only a thought for Wendy.

And Danny smiled a little, patted her awkwardly on the back, and disengaged. Though he looked less like a man condemned, now.

They parted, going their separate ways, he to his Crusader, Amber to her gleaming Sierra Sue, and Wendy to her whirring, endearingly ugly old Dump Truck.



As the last of the mechanics backed away from the Skyraider, Wendy climbed in, placing a fond hand on the dirty-yellow paint.

The subject of recognition paint schemes had come up, back at Abraham Lincoln, a year ago. General Franks had just smiled at the arguments about how to hammer out a color scheme for so many different planes, so many different little shades of hardened bandit-busting experience and squadron pride, historical re-enactors cooing over hangar queen jets, and everything in between.

"The Vicks paint everything matte white. So paint them blue. Paint them red. Paint them any or every color of the rainbow. As long as they're not white."

So they had. Maybe they should have standardized. Maybe they should have had it decided from top down. Maybe a better air force would have. Maybe the Commonwealth Air Force looked like a goddamn circus on the wing.

But this flying circus, heh, was theirs.

As she climbed into the cockpit, Wendy's mouth was open, and her teeth were showing. She must be smiling, but her grin couldn't have been much wider if it had been one of the shark noses painted on the Mustangs. And no less predatory.

Dump Truck seated three in theory, but she'd had the extra seats pulled; no need for the extra fractional weight, or much of anything, on a run like this. Takeoff was nothing special. She was part of the old Chicago Air Force, the part that worked for a living. She had more than enough hours on this bird to know her tricks, the vicious torque of the old piston engine, the exact response of the controls.

Solo Squadron, ironically named, took off. Wendy flew again, in an old, familiar plane, through an old familiar sky- to a battle far from home, against weapons she'd never faced before.



They flew low and at a leisurely cruise, perhaps the slowest old warbirds in the Commonwealth Air Force. Certainly among the oldest. Two big old Skyraiders, and three Corsairs. The jets would be along later; many of them couldn't match her piston-engine aircraft's loiter time.

Jasmine Walker, sticking tight to Wendy's four o'clock as understudy and wingwoman, had kept hers in insufferably traditionalist Navy blue. Black Sheep, a name to conjure with for more reasons than one, scrolled across the right side, out of her sight.

Jack Holloway's I'm Back, off to Wendy's left, had painted his plane in a gray almost pale enough to break the one true regulation, and added a flowing, hungry, sinister ghost down her right side, all bright red fangs and claws and reaching arms. Fitting, probably, for the old warbird they'd dragged out of a museum in, of all places, Oshkosh.

Tommy Soung, trailing a bit farther than Wendy liked, had… decorated... his Corsair in an eye-watering checkerbox pattern of at least four different colors. Arguably eight. He said the idea was that nobody could aim a gun at Lead Brick if their eyes crossed whenever they looked at the plane. Wendy was starting to believe him.

And Bad News, a sister Skyraider, further behind still, an afterthought to the four-ship formation, part of the last-minute museum raids, stripped of a peeling coat of that same navy blue and- well, Jeremy Torres had taken "every color of the rainbow" more literally than most. He was drifting a bit. But then, he probably couldn't lose sight of the formation. Not with her own bright yellow Dump Truck out in front. The kid would shake out fine, soon enough- if he lived.

If any of them lived.

They orbited over the dilapidated ruins of the subdivision south of them as Jeremy tightened things up a bit. And then it was fifteen miles over Lake St. Clair to be joined by the four up-armed Texan IIs of Meteor Squadron. Twenty miles more, over the farms and forests of Essex County. All past, in the space of ten minutes. And there they were, to orbit the plucky little gunboats and their clouds of coal smoke as they steamed out the mouth of the Detroit River.

"Solo, Meteor, this is Lancer squadron. Joining the stack. We'll be passing you to the left and about… a thousand feet above. Watch and weep!"

And soon, there they were, waggling their wings. There'd been a lot of flyable P-51 Mustangs in private collections before the Collapse. Maybe a hundred, maybe more. Seven had made their way to Chicago, at one time or another. Four were still in flying condition. Worry Bird and Cottonmouth, Sierra Sue and Gentleman Jim, in a tight diamond, casually buzzed past her own looser, slower-going formation, engines barely ticking over, a few glints of sunlight on bare aluminum when the angle was right.

The Mustangs were faster than Solo's Corsairs, even as the smaller Corsairs could outrun her Skyraider- by a little, at cruise. A lot more at redline, but none of them had redlined their engines any time this decade. Maybe they would today. Or maybe they'd all be blown out of the sky by radar-guided rockets before they ever sighted the Viks. Who knew?

But if only they could get close...

Well, even the prop planes had a few teeth of their own. The Skyraider could carry four tons of bombs, rockets, and gun pods; the Corsair could handle around two. The flying characteristics weren't quite the same, but close enough to work together.

For this, the ground crews had already loaded each plane in her flight up with a brace of homebrewed Sidewinder knock-offs. They might not be the Air Force's best, but, in all fairness, her plane had no fire control, no jet afterburner, and not much avionics of any kind. Nothing like the Wolverines that Governor Jameson had somehow gotten for them, two years back. Certainly nothing like the jets.

She'd just have to hope the Wolverines- and the jet jockies- made the best shots count. Because her Solos carried only two missiles each, ones that just might work if launched right up a Vee's tailpipe. Well, that and gun pods. Lots of gun pods.

It was a chance, she supposed. If General Franks, or General Burns, knew something she didn't.

Better hope for that, too.

And for all that, she wouldn't miss this for the world. Not after what she'd seen, of these scarred lands.

Not many people flew these days. But she'd seen more than her share of America from the air, one way or another. There were some stretches of countryside where, from ten thousand feet, you could almost pretend the nation was whole and healthy.

But you had to pretend hard, and she knew who was to blame.

If there was anyone who'd come up, like her, through the Chicago Air Patrol who wouldn't die happy as long as they died fighting Vicks, well... Wendy would have a hard time getting inside their heads, and that was all.



*(Formerly a Michigan Air National Guard base. Redesignated by a Commonwealth-Detroit joint committee January 26, 2075)
Ooh, canon! I doubt that I will ever tire of omakes showing how that air battle went. :D
Are there mercenaries in the numbers? I am going to assume that during the previous incident, because we were closer to the ground zero fo the collapse, there were going to be many professional soldiers without pay that could be tapped, are they now? I mean, they could get totaly not Russian Troops, but... and that is assuming the Russians have the slack to give away X number of troop formations, but that would still be rather transparent
That is a possibility you can explore once you have more money.
A proper retrocutlure sandwich.


Location: Chicago, Presidents room, top level security clearance staff only.

"And as such, we all know that they will need to eat a sandwich. But, but simply eating that sandwich isn't enough, because they can't just recharge. No, we beat them, and beat them without once looking like we were in true danger. They needed to eat not just a sandwich, but a hero sub, the kind of thing that will make you better. The one you eat after doing a workout and are starving. Not that Vick's aren't good at that, starving, that is.

As such, their army will be new. Fed on sandwiches different from the last war. This won't be an army dedicated primarily to stealing candy from baby states and strangling them in their crib. It we be an army with on purpose. Kicking our ass, burning us to the ground, and making sure that Chicago never bothers them again. Then they are likely to go back to stealing afterwards, but that isn't really a concern for us, because we will stop them here. And in order to do that we need to eat our own meal.

Now personally I'd love to have a full meal. Our own deep dish pizza of freedom, with all the toppings. Build the rich tangy sauce of a full green-water, the risen crust of a risen air-force, hundreds-of-thousands of men-and-women like a thick cheese topped with meaty tanks and artillery. But, well, that is a lot of work, and a lot of money we don't have. So, we are going to have to settle for something lesser.

It's not all bad though. Retroculturalism ain't very good at sandwich making, so their own sandwich is probably going to be a might disappointing. They should have a full navy, a full airforce, tanks, artillery, body armor. A sandwich with all the toppings, chips and a drink. But they won't be able to, cause they don't have that kind of cash, and will have to settle for a soggy sandwich with water on the side and while Russia might help up, will help em some, they probably won't subsidize everything.

This war was fought with what both sides had on hand, and we made better use of ours than they did theirs. But the next hot-dog-eating contest will be determine by who prepared better. If we do well, we might win the next even easier, but if the Victorian's do well, Detroit will be gone, and Chicago soon to follow. We screw up next war, they will likely have built a war machine that can continue on to Chicago quick-like.

So, we want to make sure our choices counter theirs. Make sure we got the meal that will go well, like paring a beer with the proper meat. Now, the best way to do that is to have a menu. Right now, we don't have much to go on, only guesses. I'll talk about those, but what we really need to know exactly what they are cooking up, so we can devour it. To that end the biggest things we should look to is getting up an information network. Weather that's spies in their kitchen, or asking their neighbors bout the smells coming from their kitchen, we need to know. Also worth keeping in mind, we probably don't need exact details, just the shape of things. They importing tanks? Lot of work going on at their docks? We won't get every side-dish, but we can probably guess the main course.

At the same time, we don't want them in our kitchen. And I know they will be looking to put some poison in our meals. Turn other kitchens against us. We need to keep up our own vigilance.

Even without knowing there plans, we can start thinking about the options. First up is the time, cause like other meals, weather they are serving up a light and fast breakfast, a decent size lunch, or a big dinner is going to be vital. Longer they take, the bigger the meal they ate, but the longer we have. If we got only a short time, we want to look at quick, cheap improvement. If we got longer, then we might want to look at more long-term options, sharpening our knives, and getting a new grill, so to speak.

I see a couple options. The earliest they could attack would be in one and a half years. Not don't get me wrong. They won't be ready. But, when our Californian friends start their little, let's say, disagreement as to their current seating arrangements, the Russian's might want something trying to take California's sandwich from behind. And pretty sure if Russia says jump, Victoria will. Sadly, intelligence won't do us much good for this one, since they weren't planning on going this early, though it does mean they will be half-cocked, on the other hand likely to have heavy Russian support. Estimate 3 months warning.

Secondly, we could be looking at a 3-5-year timeline. They eat their sandwich, do a little digesting, and get going. This seems to be the most likely option. If we can't be sure when we probably want to make sure we at least have our pants up and lobster bib on 3 years out, but better if we know exactly when.

Final option is they take their time, have their battered-wife and Sugar daddy… I mean civilians and Russia, make them a proper home-cooked meal. Expect them to have a heavy army, one we best be prepared to fight hard, though it ain't necessarily going to be a balanced army, they will likely overload on some factors, go light on others. Though the meat-and-potatoes of their army is still going to be infantry. Our too. Neither of us can afford much else.

Easiest change I can see them making is a proper logistic corp. CMC already has it, and frankly Russia will probably insist on it. It's cheap for them to demand that Victoria do so, and they can always lend trucks much cheaper than military hardware. Plus, since this army is here to kick ass, not gorged themselves, they ain't going to have the forging training of the old one. Also, expect them to be less aggressive. Not gonna have as many fanatics, and they know where trying to fight against our fixed defenses got em last time. The army will likely be a might more patient, trying to take us piecemeal rather than chocking on us in one bite.

On our side, training up troops is the change we can make that is guaranteed to help. Infantry is the backbone, so we will want to eat their sandwich. Though we might not want to overeat. Infantry use a lot of sandwiches, if you know what I mean, and some specialized actions might have better calorie-per-ounce.

Way I see it, Victorian's got two problems. Getting to us. And fighting us once the get to us. Long as we keep up our navy getting to us is going to be a bit of a problem for them. Way I see it, they got three options.

First, they could try to match us, get a proper fish and chips dish. I hope they do. We have the naval experience, we have the ship building experience, we have the sailors. Victoria used up a lot of their sailors already, and the ain't to keen on them. After all, people who can sail can leave. But they might, might even go for some alt tactics.

For all that we laugh at their navy, doubling down on what they already had, if done properly, could be a lot more dangerous than some commanders think. Sure, these boats can't match us 1 to one, or even ten to one. But hundreds of them? Just drenching the seas? That might be more of a threat than you think, if the swarm us. Like a plate of bottomless fries, sure each individual one is tiny, but you can only eat so much, and they just keep coming.

They could also go for a submarine sandwich. Would fit in with them wanting to be all clever and stealthy, but frankly I doubt they have the know-how, and if they want to put all their technical expertise into that, I say let em.

The option that worries me most is they go for chicken dish. Investing in their airforce for use as an anti-ship option and leaving the navy to transportation only. Airforce was bad enough sabotaged without much munitions, one dedicated to it would have torn our navy to shreds. Granted, ain't very forth generation, but…. Well they might go for some exotic sushi. Use the WWII fetish of theirs, only talk up the Japanese, how good their aircraft were, how aircraft are the 'maneuver warfare of the sea', and such-like.

Their final option is to try a land approach. Capturing towns across the lakes and holding em. Not fun, would use a lot of troops, but they could do it. Our best play here is to make sure we are friendly with the towns and have intelligence networks. Then we can use our own control of the seas to make raids anywhere on their supply lines we please. Stealing their sandwiches and insuring that their troops are as hungry as last time. They might try this in winter, but honestly, I'd like to see em try.

One they get to us, the got lots of options for condiments to their infantry. The heavy gravy of tanks is something a lot of people have suggested they use, given they already have some, and it fits their breakthrough. I think they might be inclined to squeeze out more artillery. The only survivors they are going to have are mostly the Lemington force, and I'm betting the artillery made a big impression on them. Still, both forces had a catastrophic encounter with the devil brigade eating their lunch, no way they won't have something that can, at least in theory, counter it.

So that's my summary of the situation, any thoughts, Madam president?"

Sara cleared her throat. "Yes, I move we break for lunch, and make sure not to hold these discussion from 11 to 2 with including some sort of meal in between."

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I have a quest to write, I have dispatches planned. But here we are. Extending one stupid joke past the point of breaking.
Non-canon, but glorious. :rofl:
 
You mistake me; I meant that a starving population is less able to undertake the strenuous work of coordinating a revolt against the government, and more easily put down once they try.

Victoria has other methods of ensuring that there are no mass revolts. But those methods, and any revolts that do occur, are easier to handle when the populace is one or two hundred calories short of what they should have in a day.

No, that was my point. Victoria doesn't actually manage hunting populations. There is very little huntable wildlife left in Victoria.

Lind would be happy. He does characterize deer populations in New England as an existential threat meriting arguments invoking principles of self-defense.

I love this post.

Assuming that, by, "do we have to," you mean, "are we obliged by the terms of the Geneva Convention to," no. As long as you remain at war, you are not obliged to return trained and able-bodied soldiers, no. I believe you are meant to repatriate seriously ill or injured prisoners as soon as their condition allows, though, and given the condition most of your POWs are in, that does put a timer on how long you can hold them while remaining Geneva-compliant.

I live in the northeast and the deer are a menace. Too dumb to get out of the way so you get road accidents. Cant grow anything in your backyard unless you have a fence cause the deer will eat it. Sometimes I wish I could set up automated turrets on my backyard solely to kill deer. So I guess I can agree with Victoria on one thing.
 
On the other hand, sunk cost fallacy is one helluva drug. See the long, painful process of withdrawing from vietnam or the collapse of imperial colonies in the mid-20th century

Oh, true, but that could make things easier on the medium term, if the other balls (to keep the juggling analogy) end up being flaming chainsaws instead.

I mean, the big issue here is that alex is... old. I don't mean this to disrespect old men, but, he is an old men in a position of power. I've seen first hand (in my dad no less) how people as they age become less flexible, less capable of arguments and start reacting.
So, yes, he could focus on some issue like victoria and concentrate on it for our immediate complications but could have other, more pressing, more important issues, explode in his face

But we really shouldn't count on this. we should assume he will be a somewhat rational actor conditioned by his more immediate circumstances (which we don't know and that is a problem)
 
This quest makes me feel a certain emotion that few other things in the realms of either fiction or real-life manage to do. It makes me feel... patriotic. I mean, I guess it's easy to feel good about your country (or it's fictional legacy) when the primary comparison is Victoria.

Part of it is that half the time I'll forgo saying the Pledge of Allegiance, and when I do say it I pledge allegiance not to the U.S.-that-is, but to the U.S.-that-could-be. To our best ideals, not to the manifested and deeply flawed implementations thereof. In a universe where the nation itself is dead, I suppose it's easier to ignore the sins of the "historical" U.S. and instead glorify and belive anew in those higher ideals. Especially when you have an opportunity to actually create a nation that better implements and embodies those principles.
 
Right now, I bet there are a lot of Victorian politicians who think the typical Commonwealth Army soldier is ten feet tall and bulletproof. They are trying very VERY hard not to let it show where anyone can see them, of course- to be a Victorian politician is to live among cannibals.

let them tremble before our mighty antifa supersoldiers
 
??? Omake: A Little Walk In Sugarloaf
A Little Walk In Sugarloaf

-Carrabassett Valley, Maine, United States of America-

-Victoria-

-Friday, December 13th, 2074, 2:13 PM-

-Marine Chaplain-Captain Reginald Boone, Christian Marine Corps-

Captain Reginald Boone stroked the smooth gold of the cross that hung at his chest. He watched the snow-covered trees and the peaks of the Longfellow Mountains whiz past the car. Beside him, Major Joseph Moore yawned, before glancing down at the suitcase that was cuffed to his wrist with some annoyance. Both men were members of the Inquisitorial circle of the Chaplaincy.

Major Moore wore the militarized clergyman uniform used by the commissariat, a keepsake from his time administering the troops that marched beyond the borders of Victoria, revealing his salt-and-pepper cropped hair and hazel eyes. Captain Boone, in turn, clothed himself in the powerful garb of the Inquisition, a wide-brimmed black hat, a dark coat, and polarized red-tinted glasses, hiding most of his features.

Today, they were transporting an intelligence package from the town of Eustis, less than a dozen miles in the rear-view mirror of the three vehicle convoy, to their headquarters in Augusta. "I suppose it's suitable that something this important should weigh so heavily on a man's arm." Major Moore grumbled.

Captain Boone turned his gaze towards his superior. All that the Major had mentioned about the package was that it was related to the intelligence-gathering mission he had left to Boone to organize while Moore sought to the interrogation and judgement of men suspected of cultural heresy, a duty the Major pursued most zealously.

The Captain noted that the men he had sent into the wild returned with only two-thirds of their number and went straight to Major Moore. Since then, the Major has refused to so much as mention the intelligence. Boone, of course, suspected that the intelligence suggested that there was a minor cell of Marxists in the wilderness and that Major Moore was keeping it close to his chest so that the glory would be his when the cell, its size and capabilities vastly exaggerated, was destroyed.

However, this had been the first time Moore mentioned the package within earshot of Boone. "Perhaps you could allow me to lighten the load, Major? My hands were made to serve." Reginald inquired. His superior looked at him for a long while. The two had been ensuring the purity of Victoria together for a few years, yet the very system they worked to preserve rewarded those who betrayed the trust of others. Boone suspected that Moore was considering these caveats, before the former commissar opened his mouth to answer. He was interrupted by the sound of an explosion and rending metal.

The BTR that lead the convoy rose from the road a few feet before falling back to the Earth, the IED powerful enough to punch through the lower-hull and kill the Marines operating the vehicle. The infantrymen it had been transporting opened the hatches and began to clamber out. The armored vehicle in the rear managed to lower its ramp to allow its own complement of infantrymen to begin rushing out, before tracers lanced out from a concealed position by the road and cut through the men. The smoke-trail of a rocket-propelled grenade accompanied the machine gun fire, the projectile impacting within the BTR and igniting it like a tender box.

"Major?!" The driver of the armored car transporting the Inquisitors shouted in confusion, the escort in the passenger seat preparing his AK-74 for action. "Push forward, push around-!" Moore was interrupted by Boone pulling him down to the floorboard, immediately followed by a 40mm grenade impacting on the hood of the car. The engine, alongside the men in the front of the vehicle, was mulched.

"Oh, shit." Major Moore cursed as the ringing in his ears failed to drown out the howling that reverberated in the valley. "Major, we have to get the package out of here!" Reginald shouted over the cacophony. He couldn't hear any gunfire to the south, in the direction of Sugarloaf mountain, and the Marines that had been escorting them, those still alive, were firing to the north, into the trees, and the west at the heavy weapons emplacement that had destroyed the rear of the convoy. Boone helped Moore out of the disabled armored car, before the two began to rush towards Sugarloaf with the intent of breaking contact with their attackers.

The gunfire died down behind them as they left the road and melted into the treeline. Boone had no illusions as to the fate of their escorts. They continued running for another one hundred meters before reaching the outskirts of the abandoned town of Sugarloaf. Moore looked back to check for their pursuers. Sure enough, dark shapes were plowing through the piled up snow, seemingly faster than the two CMC officers could run. A round whizzed past their heads and snapped against the bark of a nearby tree, convincing the two to deviate into the town proper, running south along the main street. The howling followed them, echoing among the ruins of Sugarloaf, a monument to the destruction Retroculturalism brought to America as a whole and Sugarloaf in particular.

The duo made it past the Widowmaker restaurant, located at the foot of the ski resort, before Major Moore let out a cry of pain and fell to his knee, vibrant red blood and white bone shards splattering from the exit wound on his shin to the asphalt below. Boone stopped running before turning and crouching down next to his superior. He could clearly see a dozen of their attackers rushing up the street after the two Marine Chaplains. About two-thirds of them were, as Major Moore would call them, orcs. The others, amazingly enough, could be from any number of God-fearing Victorian town. "Captain, t-take the package and-!" Moore looked up just in time to see a colored woman stop herself from skiing past the Inquisitors, and pointed her Uzi at Boone's back. "Don't move!" She roared.

Boone glanced over his shoulder at the woman then returned his cool gaze towards the squad-sized element running up the street. "I suppose this is when we are supposed to die for Victoria to avoid the shame of being captured." Reginald mused. "Most of them are Orcs. I'd die just to avoid their tender hospitality." Despite his words, Moore's confusion was visible through the pain on his face. The Captain turned to stare down at his superior. "Before you go to meet God's judgement, there is something you should know." The Captain grabbed Major Moore's shoulder and leaned in, whispering into his ear. "You've spent so much time, spilled so much blood, even gave your own life looking for the Reverend… Yet you never considered that he was looking over your shoulder this entire time."

Moore let out a pained gasp as cold steel entered his stomach and severed the Common Iliac artery within. The Reverend retrieved his KA-BAR from Moore's belly and stood up, procuring a handkerchief and cleaning the blade of the Marine Chaplain's blood. The skier that had cut the two off lowered her weapon as the others caught up, a few pointing their eclectic collection of firearms at Moore as he placed his hand over his wound, trying to keep the bright red blood inside the wound. "Reverend?" One of the new arrivals inquired. The Reverend ignored him, staring down at Moore as he laid upon his back, beginning to pant as his life's essence spurted out from between his fingers. Then the Reverend dictated scripture upon Moore.

"He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God. For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. For it is written, 'As I live,' says the Lord, 'Every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God.'"

"'So then each... One of us will give… An account of himself to God.' Romans, verses… Six through twelve." Moore finished, a pale pallor overtaking his complexion and a darkness settling under his eyes. The Reverend regarded him for a moment. "So you did know better. May God give you justice." The group waited, listening for Moore's breath and struggles to cease. Finally, the Reverend bent down and began to shift through the fallen Inquisitor's pockets.

"Kisha." The Reverend addressed the woman standing at his back. The skier stiffened. "Father Boone?" He kept her in suspense for a few moments, procuring the key to the cuff that linked the suitcase to Moore's wrist, before grabbing the package and standing. "Where is the rest of your team?" Kisha's grip on her weapon tightened. "They… I…" The largest of the group spoke up, a jade-eyed man around Kisha's age. "One of 'em hit a tree on the way down Sugarloaf. The others were helpin' that guy while she took off without her team leader's okay. Greg saw it go down." The young woman grit her teeth, but did not object. "Thank you, Terrence." The Reverend finally turned and walked over to Kisha.

She expected him to dress her down for acting on her own, her gaze sinking to the ground. It rose when he instead placed his hand on her shoulder. "Your initiative is commendable. If I were, in fact, a loyal Victorian, I may have gotten away with the intelligence. However, that is a small price to pay to avoid our brothers and sisters dying in vain. What if a patrol had stumbled upon your brothers?"

The Reverend stepped away from Kisha handing the intelligence package to Terrence, before beginning his walk to the town of Carrabassett to reassume his persona of a loyal Marine Chaplain, to report the glorious deaths of his comrades and the unfortunate loss of the intelligence on Resistance activity north of the Longfellow Mountains. He left behind one last lesson for his cell, before they would retreat back into Canada, back to the Wolf's Den.

"We are a pack of wolves. We hunt together, fight together, die together. Through the blood we shed, we commune with God, and beseech Him for the salvation of America. The pack must always come first."


I did a thing! :D

I've been wrestling with the idea of writing something up for the Victorian Resistance. I'm sure Poptart has hammered out the details on their structure and commanders, so I tried to aim low on the grand scale. I went with opening a small window of the exploits of a particular cell and their John Brown-esque commander. Shout out to @buli-buli and their Google Doc of Justice detailing the Victorian Church.
 
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