Support vehicles. Way better than 40 year old technicals when you're talking about bridge-laying or minesweeping or any number of other things. Hell the crab variant of the Sherman was pretty pivotal to the Normandy operation and later breakout.
To what purpose though?
By the time we have enough additional AFVs for this to be relevant, we should have the vehicles for doing this sort of thing.
We certainly won't be using technicals then.

Heck, 95% of our enemies are going to have armor that's worse or no better than a T-34. We could do worse than reusing ex-Victorian T-34s while we work on our own independent armor production.
I can't see us attempting to set up the logistical supply lines to operate a bunch of salvaged T34s in frontline military use. Even in the boonies.
Not with our Professionals Study Logistics perk.
In civilian use sure, close to supplies and shit.

I mean, yes, I'm saying I understand perfectly why there aren't a lot of tragic accidents for the Russian soldiers.
I'm also saying that that same reasoning doubly damns the willing and enthusiastic collaborators (and the summary makes it clear those do exist) in their pantomime of a free society- as opposed to those who simply accepted the bad situation for what it was or make what little noise as they can with Russia breathing down their necks.
I take issue with this. It's no more a pantomime of a free society than California is in-universe.
The Bloc exist as an actual political party after all.

Russia historically hasn't cared about the particulars of internal governance as long as your foreign policy aligns with theirs; distinctly remember stories of the Soviet Union buddying up to Saddam as her hunted down and murdered the Iraqi Communist Party. And India has been both a Soviet and Russian ally for decades while being a democracy.

Alexei is a bad man, but give him some credit for intelligence.
The whole reason the AC works as a carrot/the nice face of the Empire is because he does not interfere in it's internal politics.
As far as we can tell, the most he goes is favorable media coverage for the govt in power.
 
To what purpose though?
By the time we have enough additional AFVs for this to be relevant, we should have the vehicles for doing this sort of thing.
We certainly won't be using technicals then.


I can't see us attempting to set up the logistical supply lines to operate a bunch of salvaged T34s in frontline military use. Even in the boonies.
Not with our Professionals Study Logistics perk.
In civilian use sure, close to supplies and shit.


I take issue with this. It's no more a pantomime of a free society than California is in-universe.
The Bloc exist as an actual political party after all.

Russia historically hasn't cared about the particulars of internal governance as long as your foreign policy aligns with theirs; distinctly remember stories of the Soviet Union buddying up to Saddam as her hunted down and murdered the Iraqi Communist Party. And India has been both a Soviet and Russian ally for decades while being a democracy.

Alexei is a bad man, but give him some credit for intelligence.
The whole reason the AC works as a carrot/the nice face of the Empire is because he does not interfere in it's internal politics.
As far as we can tell, the most he goes is favorable media coverage for the govt in power.
He doesn't visibly interfere because they've been housebroken and are in policy lockstep with anything he cares to do, and he knows it. It doesn't matter if it's "technically" not a vassal- and in-universe, by the time they're in the crosshairs, I doubt it'll matter much to anyone else of relevance given the ideal time to deal with them is when Russia's on the backfoot even more and too busy to pay much mind to its foreign adventures and our affiliates have had time to make themselves better known.

They get exactly zero points for the facade- and as part of the Empire, they're absolutely a valid target in their own right when the time comes around unless there are a lot of reevaluation of their priorities. They get the same chance as any other Victorian/Russian patsy.

(Though, honestly, I kinda expect them to squeak through things, just quietly distance themselves from their past actions and have a semi-awkward relationship with everyone else on the continent, with the equivalent of Japanese post-WWII revisionism in their internal culture and media.)
 
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He doesn't visibly interfere because they've been housebroken and are in policy lockstep with anything he cares to do, and he knows it. It doesn't matter if it's "technically" not a vassal- and in-universe, by the time they're in the crosshairs, I doubt it'll matter much to anyone else of relevance given the ideal time to deal with them is when Russia's on the backfoot even more and too busy to pay much mind to its foreign adventures and our affiliates have had time to make themselves better known.

They get exactly zero points for the facade- and as part of the Empire, they're absolutely a valid target in their own right when the time comes around.
Well, you're entitled to your opinion I guess.

I don't give all that much credence to professions of loyalty made under duress. Certainly the ruling party could be much more focused on self-aggrandizement and the welfare of it's members instead of the general prosperity of the local population.
We're not looking at a tinpot dictatorship here.

I suspect they are ultimately just as loyal as all those ex-Soviet republics that got occupied during the Empire's establishment, from Ukraine to the Baltics to the Central Asian republics.
But that's up to the GM, not me.
 
Well, you're entitled to your opinion I guess.

I don't give all that much credence to professions of loyalty made under duress. Certainly the ruling party could be much more focused on self-aggrandizement and the welfare of it's members instead of the general prosperity of the local population.
We're not looking at a tinpot dictatorship here.

I suspect they are ultimately just as loyal as all those ex-Soviet republics that got occupied during the Empire's establishment, from Ukraine to the Baltics to the Central Asian republics.
But that's up to the GM, not me.
I mean, they'll get their chance to reevaluate their priorities and prove they aren't part of the problem, the same way everyone else has, yes? It's a very binary set of outcomes after that.
 
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Hell of a lot better for our Corps of Engineers to learn how to take care and feed all the nifty toys we've lost the institutional knowledge to play with on things we don't care about breaking.

And things like recovery vehicles and mine clearance and armored evac vehicles are immediately useful even if we're not actively shooting at the Vics any more.
 
I mean, they'll get their chance to reevaluate their priorities, the same way everyone else has, yes? It's a very binary set of outcomes after that.
No it isn't.
I won't talk ethics, but rather realpolitik.

The US Revivalists and the Russian Empire are but two of the sides involved here in the great game. What happened to North America was an atrocity, but that does not translate to people lining up to fight Alex on principle because of it.
And there will be organizations looking to make profit from using us as an ablative shield.

There are states and polities who are very much on their own sides, regardless of whether or not some of your aims coincide.
You re going to have to make actual offers to a lot of people to get them onside instead of making ultimatums.
Just as people will be watching your dealings with others.

Hell of a lot better for our Corps of Engineers to learn how to take care and feed all the nifty toys we've lost the institutional knowledge to play with on things we don't care about breaking.

And things like recovery vehicles and mine clearance and armored evac vehicles are immediately useful even if we're not actively shooting at the Vics any more.
1) That's why you have manuals and trainers.
Attempting to build doctrine with kludged up salvage risks perpetuating critical errors in the way our troops are trained for those roles.

2) Not when you don't have AFVs to use them for. While we'll need at least one armored division, that's in the future.
The Devils Brigade has their own organic equipment else they wouldn't have survived this long. And we don't have any more armor.
Punt it to the civilian sector. My opinion anyway.
 
No it isn't.
I won't talk ethics, but rather realpolitik.

The US Revivalists and the Russian Empire are but two of the sides involved here in the great game. What happened to North America was an atrocity, but that does not translate to people lining up to fight Alex on principle because of it.
And there will be organizations looking to make profit from using us as an ablative shield.

There are states and polities who are very much on their own sides, regardless of whether or not some of your aims coincide.
You re going to have to make actual offers to a lot of people to get them onside instead of making ultimatums.
Just as people will be watching your dealings with others.


1) That's why you have manuals and trainers.
Attempting to build doctrine with kludged up salvage risks perpetuating critical errors in the way our troops are trained for those roles.

2) Not when you don't have AFVs to use them for. While we'll need at least one armored division, that's in the future.
The Devils Brigade has their own organic equipment else they wouldn't have survived this long. And we don't have any more armor.
Punt it to the civilian sector. My opinion anyway.
The thing is it's fairly likely Alex's Russia is a ticking time bomb- I don't see his set up as particularly stable in itself if he's the main point of failure. Catherine might be able to turn things around unless given a helping push. But if not on principle (and hate), a weakening in Russian interests means people might try and carve out their own niches at their expense.

And it's not even sympathy for North America that's relevant here beyond what happens in our corner of the globe- his crimes were global, with equivalent resentment.

You don't build a stable colonial empire by leaving enough of your victims alive and resentful to do something about it the minute they can, and I expect Russia's fate down the line to be a case of reaping the whirlwind from all corners. Look at how much geopolitics is influenced by incidents generations past. Now imagine how the Chinese likely feel and what Europe probably has to say about the way Russia gutted and invaded them in living memory.

Alex is not a stupid man but he neither managed to remove all opposition- well, the US is not an immediate concern for him, so he got that much "right"- nor managed to avoid motivating a good chunk of the world to want him dead and his lands salted. That is not a winning recipe for his empire.

But in the context of these guys?

They're not in a position to stop us from (eventually) getting our pound of flesh in various forms if they make it clear they're Russian patsies by choice and Russia's problems keep them from acting as their backup.
 
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The thing is it's fairly likely Alex's Russia is a ticking time bomb- I don't see his set up as particularly stable in itself if he's the main point of failure.
Given that 2070s 'high tech' is significantly in advance of the present day (freestanding open-air holography, for starters)... I wouldn't assume that Alexander IV is going to die any time soon. He's almost certainly more than eighty years old, but not necessarily much more, and it's entirely possible that he's got another ten or even twenty years in him, given that he has literally the world's best medical care and doesn't show signs of being particularly self-indulgent.

@PoptartProdigy , would you mind just plain telling us what year Alexander IV was born in? I've been wondering whether he's more like 90 or more like 75 for quite a while...

Now, to be sure, eventually Alexander's going to die, and eventually people will be in a position to seek revenge against his client states. However, we have a lot on our plate just from dealing with Victoria. Even if we manage to decisively defeat them in war, occupation is going to be a pain. And there will likely be power struggles among the American revivalist states to consider, too.

So settling secondhand nebulous grudges against the people who, with no realistic way of not falling into our enemies' power and sphere of influence, "aided and abetted" those enemies by... trading with them...? Yeah, I don't think that is or ought to be a high priority.

And for us to make threatening noises or alienate factions in the short term because of our resentment and desire to settle accounts... That could easily make things worse and more protracted.
 
Given that 2070s 'high tech' is significantly in advance of the present day (freestanding open-air holography, for starters)... I wouldn't assume that Alexander IV is going to die any time soon. He's almost certainly more than eighty years old, but not necessarily much more, and it's entirely possible that he's got another ten or even twenty years in him, given that he has literally the world's best medical care and doesn't show signs of being particularly self-indulgent.

@PoptartProdigy , would you mind just plain telling us what year Alexander IV was born in? I've been wondering whether he's more like 90 or more like 75 for quite a while...

Now, to be sure, eventually Alexander's going to die, and eventually people will be in a position to seek revenge against his client states. However, we have a lot on our plate just from dealing with Victoria. Even if we manage to decisively defeat them in war, occupation is going to be a pain. And there will likely be power struggles among the American revivalist states to consider, too.

So settling secondhand nebulous grudges against the people who, with no realistic way of not falling into our enemies' power and sphere of influence, "aided and abetted" those enemies by... trading with them...? Yeah, I don't think that is or ought to be a high priority.

And for us to make threatening noises or alienate factions in the short term because of our resentment and desire to settle accounts... That could easily make things worse and more protracted.
So a time bomb with a longer detonator. :V

I mean, either they're a Russian patsy going forwards, in which case they're a threat and need to be addressed as such anyway when we get around to that and are in a position to do so, or do a U-turn on such policies, in which case it's academic. It's still a question for much later anyway so I agree completely that it isn't currently a priority either way. I assumed it went without saying that all this was hypotheticals for "eventually".
 
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They're not in a position to stop us from (eventually) getting our pound of flesh in various forms if they make it clear they're Russian patsies by choice and Russia's problems keep them from acting as their backup.
Pragmatism dictates that you remember that other nations are watching what you do and who you do it to.
Nothing happens in a vacuum.
 
Pragmatism dictates that you remember that other nations are watching what you do and who you do it to.
Nothing happens in a vacuum.
Yes, but given how little goodwill their backers have and how everyone's using them as a slightly-less-obvious go-between, ie: it's not like they're unaware of the Russian backing?

If we limit ourselves to more indirect ways of twisting the knife, that can be worked around.
 
@PoptartProdigy , would you mind just plain telling us what year Alexander IV was born in? I've been wondering whether he's more like 90 or more like 75 for quite a while...
Er, let's see, Russia blew up in '22, Alex wouldn't necessarily have to be a general by that point just 'cause he's got hella charisma and legitimate military talents, could've Starscreamed his way to prominence in pretty short order, but still would need to be a high-ranking officer of some sort, so assuming a meteoric rise because faults or no he's pretty damn good at this war business call it 30s when the shit hit the fan, mid-to-late to be perfectly prudent, puts him born in the '80s (casts his disdain for the old Soviet Union in a pretty interesting light, come to think, he'd have lived through the breakup), and would have him being about ninety years old now.

So ~90.
 
Hm. OK.

Well at that point he wouldn't realistically have many more years left in him in the context of 2000-2020 medical tech, but that still leaves a lot of room for X-factors. Hell, the guy could have a clone and the means to transplant his brain into it for all we know.
 
Er, let's see, Russia blew up in '22, Alex wouldn't necessarily have to be a general by that point just 'cause he's got hella charisma and legitimate military talents, could've Starscreamed his way to prominence in pretty short order, but still would need to be a high-ranking officer of some sort, so assuming a meteoric rise because faults or no he's pretty damn good at this war business call it 30s when the shit hit the fan, mid-to-late to be perfectly prudent, puts him born in the '80s (casts his disdain for the old Soviet Union in a pretty interesting light, come to think, he'd have lived through the breakup), and would have him being about ninety years old now.

So ~90.
Hm. OK.

Well at that point he wouldn't realistically have many more years left in him in the context of 2000-2020 medical tech, but that still leaves a lot of room for X-factors. Hell, the guy could have a clone and the means to transplant his brain into it for all we know.
Interesting. Current medical tech has almost nothing in terms of actual life extension, just lots of ways to prevent varying types of illness/injury from preventing someone living out their full lifespan. What it does have, in terms of what you can do to improve longevity, is essentially 'diet and exercise' - it being very important to keep someone active in order to remain healthy in old age.

Barring some new development of an anti-senescence treatment of some form (which would effectively add ~40-50 years of 'until his brain gives out' to the expectation of how long Alexander is going to be around) it means that at ~90 years old Alexander needs to be spending more and more time at the gym in order to continue living for the last 10-15 years of natural lifespan good genes could plausibly get him.

Which means that when someone says Russia is busy/distracted, what it really means (at least in part) is that one of Russia's better geopolitical thinkers had to get out of the office to go run some laps/pump lead and delegated part of his work to subordinates who probably aren't as good as him and may not have the final authority to decide policy. :V
 
Everyone in this thread is sleeping on the fact that Alexander being 90 in the mid-2070s means that he's a millennial and, more to the point, a nineties kid.

From this I conclude that his environmentalism stems from his sexual awakening being due to Linka from Captain Planet. :V
 
Everyone in this thread is sleeping on the fact that Alexander being 90 in the mid-2070s means that he's a millennial and, more to the point, a nineties kid.

From this I conclude that his environmentalism stems from his sexual awakening being due to Linka from Captain Planet. :V

From my experience of Eastern European low-to-lower-middle class childhood in the 90s: The 80s stuff will have a bigger impact on Alexander due to it being easier to procure via piracy, will have access to Cartoon Network (and thus Captain Planet) via satellite tv, Anime including OG Dragon Ball and unaltered Cardcaptor Sakura before the Americans got to butchering it, will have NES and Genesis knock-offs with the former being a "thousand-games" variant (the SNES never really took off) AND a PC (due to it being more cost-effective compared to game-only consoles in the eyes of economically minded population).
 
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