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Cessna as lousy recon plane isn't a bad choice in post collapse America. It's easy to fly, easy to maintain and while visibility isn't the best , you can have an observer there to spot stuff while you fly.

The lack of sensors and warning systems is the only problem but for what the Vicks were likely to face, it's......ok.

Good enough to spot a technical run anywsy.
The lack of sensors, warning systems, countermeasures, and weapons, is just a bonus to the Vicks. Along with the fact it's only a mediocre good enough piece of equipment instead of something actually decent.
 
The lack of sensors, warning systems, countermeasures, and weapons, is just a bonus to the Vicks. Along with the fact it's only a mediocre good enough piece of equipment instead of something actually decent.
Again, the vast majority of the time the sensors and warning systems would be useless, and no weapons of reasonable performance could be fitted on isolated recon planes anyway.

Meanwhile, the VAF's Cessna fleet has tremendous advantages as a plane that can be deployed in support of the pre-Erie War version of the Victorian Army.

1) It can operate from short or rough runways. Such as a reasonably intact stretch of abandoned highway hastily leveled by laborers recruited at gunpoint, or a municipal airport that hasn't been used for any purpose in decades until abruptly and crudely refurbished by same.

2) It can be serviced and maintained using very basic light industry, the kind the Victorians didn't consistently have to loot and burn to prevent the rest of the country from being capable of putting up a fight against their roving free range warlord bands divisions.

3) It is extremely replaceable and cost-effective to operate. In the rare and unlikely event that someone manages to capture Cessnas by a surprise attack on a VAF airfield in "Injun Country," the Victorian military has lost nothing that presents them with an urgent problem.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the Victorians have managed to get some significant benefits over the years by being one of the few active and far-ranging factions in the US east of the Rockies that can regularly and freely operate reconnaissance aircraft. Even if their actual doctrine for using these aircraft is crude and not really designed around the possibliity of the enemy having actual air defense systems as opposed to maybe the occasional singular AA weapon... Air reconnaissance is still a big deal, as for that matter is the existence of cheap aircraft serving as couriers when communications is shaky and you don't want to rely on a large headquarters staff with good long range radios.
 
Question: Lind's book mentions that Kraft had a son and two daughters - Billy, Evelyn, and Lula Bell. All three got introduced in a single chapter before being dropped from the plot altogether.

Where are they now?
I don't know but I'm fascinated by the question. Are they pseudo-royalty? Celebrities? Kept on the down-low because they're embarrassing? Already purged?
What do they feel about all this? Are they super into retroculture? Or are they terrified into submission by an abusive everything? Do they even exist or were they made up to prove Kraft's masculine virility and make him seem like a family man?
 
So if we conquer Victoria, are there any methods that give us the authority to oversee and potentially approve or reject decisions made by the former territory, like elected and appointed officials and laws? Because we need to be paranoid about some sort of neo-Victorian movement trying to undermine us.
 
So if we conquer Victoria, are there any methods that give us the authority to oversee and potentially approve or reject decisions made by the former territory, like elected and appointed officials and laws? Because we need to be paranoid about some sort of neo-Victorian movement trying to undermine us.
There are numerous possible methods. We're in real danger of being spoiled for choice.
 
Cessna as lousy recon plane isn't a bad choice in post collapse America. It's easy to fly, easy to maintain and while visibility isn't the best , you can have an observer there to spot stuff while you fly.

The lack of sensors and warning systems is the only problem but for what the Vicks were likely to face, it's......ok.

Good enough to spot a technical run anywsy.
I dunno, a certain Swede managed to use them to utterly wreck Soviet jet fighters (okay, export/monkey model Soviet jet fighters). Granted, they were used in proper guerrilla style, flying from small, easily hidden airstrips and engaging in CAS against poorly protected planes on the ground.

I can see Victoria doing this under a competent commander, striking unsupported ground troops and important logistical centers, as well as engaging in reconnaissance missions. Of course, by the Erie War, they had gotten so complacent that... well, you know what happened.
 
I dunno, a certain Swede managed to use them to utterly wreck Soviet jet fighters (okay, export/monkey model Soviet jet fighters). Granted, they were used in proper guerrilla style, flying from small, easily hidden airstrips and engaging in CAS against poorly protected planes on the ground.

I can see Victoria doing this under a competent commander, striking unsupported ground troops and important logistical centers, as well as engaging in reconnaissance missions. Of course, by the Erie War, they had gotten so complacent that... well, you know what happened.
That kind of operation requires that the Victorians seriously believe in air-to-ground warfare. Which, per doctrine, they do not.

Victoria's pre-2074 military doctrine is entirely centered on light infantry and irregular terrorist attacks as the decisive forms of armed conflict. As such, it acknowledges only two roles for an air force.

One is reconnaissance, because even the Vicks are smart enough to know:
1) That light infantry can only scout a limited bubble around their own position before becoming hopelessly dispersed and vulnerable to a concentrated enemy force.
2) That the existence of motorized vehicles means that a force your light infantry scouts didn't see because it was twenty miles away can be on top of you in an hour, necessitating a wide radius of operational awareness.
3) That only aircraft are realistically capable of sweeping the required areas in the required time, making their services useful for locating the enemy and confirming their disposition.

The other is air-to-air battle against enemy aviation, because:
1) The Vicks, as per doctrine, don't bother with heavy air defense weaponry. As such, without their own air superiority fighters, they have effectively no way of stopping any plane that flies above the ceiling of shoulder-fired SAMs. Since letting the enemy range freely over your airspace is humiliating even if as per doctrine you don't believe the enemy air supremacy will hurt anything, this "necessitates" Vick air superiority fighters for pride's sake if nothing else.
2) The Vicks, revering as they do the cult of fascist macho violence, will inevitably have a certain amount of fixation on the idea of their fighter pilots proving superiority over enemy pilots in MANLY DOGFIGHTS.

...

Reconnaissance, interception/air superiority. That's it for the VAF for now.

Insofar as the VAF was capable in theory of other missions (notably of limited antiship strike), it was because the VAF had managed to lay its hands on a relative handful of munitions nominally suited for that purpose. But importantly, they had not trained or live-fire tested their capabilities in these other missions, precisely because such missions were counter-doctrine and they could not easily obtain funding, fuel, and authorizations for such training missions.
 
So in other words, Victoria don't believe in what is basically a staple of air power since 1914, strafing vulnerable enemy units on the ground? I mean, if we're talking pure guerrilla forces, the Biafrans (again, under Carl von Rosen) managed to pull off CAS with freaking Cessnas, and the Tamil Tigers used to have prop-driven planes bomb Sri Lankan positions and bases.

Was this an actual thing Lind advocated?
 
That kind of operation requires that the Victorians seriously believe in air-to-ground warfare. Which, per doctrine, they do not.

Victoria's pre-2074 military doctrine is entirely centered on light infantry and irregular terrorist attacks as the decisive forms of armed conflict. As such, it acknowledges only two roles for an air force.

One is reconnaissance, because even the Vicks are smart enough to know:
1) That light infantry can only scout a limited bubble around their own position before becoming hopelessly dispersed and vulnerable to a concentrated enemy force.
2) That the existence of motorized vehicles means that a force your light infantry scouts didn't see because it was twenty miles away can be on top of you in an hour, necessitating a wide radius of operational awareness.
3) That only aircraft are realistically capable of sweeping the required areas in the required time, making their services useful for locating the enemy and confirming their disposition.

The other is air-to-air battle against enemy aviation, because:
1) The Vicks, as per doctrine, don't bother with heavy air defense weaponry. As such, without their own air superiority fighters, they have effectively no way of stopping any plane that flies above the ceiling of shoulder-fired SAMs. Since letting the enemy range freely over your airspace is humiliating even if as per doctrine you don't believe the enemy air supremacy will hurt anything, this "necessitates" Vick air superiority fighters for pride's sake if nothing else.
2) The Vicks, revering as they do the cult of fascist macho violence, will inevitably have a certain amount of fixation on the idea of their fighter pilots proving superiority over enemy pilots in MANLY DOGFIGHTS.

...

Reconnaissance, interception/air superiority. That's it for the VAF for now.

Insofar as the VAF was capable in theory of other missions (notably of limited antiship strike), it was because the VAF had managed to lay its hands on a relative handful of munitions nominally suited for that purpose. But importantly, they had not trained or live-fire tested their capabilities in these other missions, precisely because such missions were counter-doctrine and they could not easily obtain funding, fuel, and authorizations for such training missions.
Errr. Just a reminder the VAF used F5 to "destroy" the Pacific Republic Airforce. While our continuity is that much of this account is sheet propaganda, their propaganda clearly allows for bombing airfields, especially in a sneak attack to disable airpower.
So in other words, Victoria don't believe in what is basically a staple of air power since 1914, strafing vulnerable enemy units on the ground? I mean, if we're talking pure guerrilla forces, the Biafrans (again, under Carl von Rosen) managed to pull off CAS with freaking Cessnas, and the Tamil Tigers used to have prop-driven planes bomb Sri Lankan positions and bases.

Was this an actual thing Lind advocated?
Lind? No. Lind agrees with Sprey in that the A-10 is the best ever at low and slow .
 
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So in other words, Victoria don't believe in what is basically a staple of air power since 1914, strafing vulnerable enemy units on the ground? I mean, if we're talking pure guerrilla forces, the Biafrans (again, under Carl von Rosen) managed to pull off CAS with freaking Cessnas, and the Tamil Tigers used to have prop-driven planes bomb Sri Lankan positions and bases.

Was this an actual thing Lind advocated?
Lind...REALLY has an Axe to grind with the Air Force.
IIRC, his Mouthpiece-Character/Author-Insert in the book openly states at one point that Aircrafts are only really good for Reconaissance when it comes to Targets on the Ground.
 
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That kind of operation requires that the Victorians seriously believe in air-to-ground warfare. Which, per doctrine, they do not.

Victoria's pre-2074 military doctrine is entirely centered on light infantry and irregular terrorist attacks as the decisive forms of armed conflict. As such, it acknowledges only two roles for an air force.

One is reconnaissance, because even the Vicks are smart enough to know:
1) That light infantry can only scout a limited bubble around their own position before becoming hopelessly dispersed and vulnerable to a concentrated enemy force.
2) That the existence of motorized vehicles means that a force your light infantry scouts didn't see because it was twenty miles away can be on top of you in an hour, necessitating a wide radius of operational awareness.
3) That only aircraft are realistically capable of sweeping the required areas in the required time, making their services useful for locating the enemy and confirming their disposition.

The other is air-to-air battle against enemy aviation, because:
1) The Vicks, as per doctrine, don't bother with heavy air defense weaponry. As such, without their own air superiority fighters, they have effectively no way of stopping any plane that flies above the ceiling of shoulder-fired SAMs. Since letting the enemy range freely over your airspace is humiliating even if as per doctrine you don't believe the enemy air supremacy will hurt anything, this "necessitates" Vick air superiority fighters for pride's sake if nothing else.
2) The Vicks, revering as they do the cult of fascist macho violence, will inevitably have a certain amount of fixation on the idea of their fighter pilots proving superiority over enemy pilots in MANLY DOGFIGHTS.

...

Reconnaissance, interception/air superiority. That's it for the VAF for now.

Insofar as the VAF was capable in theory of other missions (notably of limited antiship strike), it was because the VAF had managed to lay its hands on a relative handful of munitions nominally suited for that purpose. But importantly, they had not trained or live-fire tested their capabilities in these other missions, precisely because such missions were counter-doctrine and they could not easily obtain funding, fuel, and authorizations for such training missions.
This is accurate to the essentials of the situation, with the added portion of A2A being that the Vicks absolutely do see a legitimate use in blinding the enemy's air reconnaissance, and thus the airspace must be contested. The stuff about dogfighting is, of course, straight down to the cultish worship of manly violence. This also roots in Lind having been part of the defense reform movement, and thus being absolutely obsessed with the Fighter Mafia.

For those unaware, the Fighter Mafia was a group of Air Force officers and civilian defense analysts in the '60s-'70s with one combat veteran and zero kills between absolutely all of them, who decided that beyond-visual-range combat was a fantasy, radar sets could not reliably detect incoming aircraft in superior manner to eyeballs, and planes should accordingly be built cheap, agile, and with low observability in order to facilitate swarm and ambush tactics. No onboard radar sets required or desirable; RWR alone will do, if one really must. They also thought the ability to go supersonic was deeply overrated. While they had significant influence over fighter design for the period accounting for the F-14 through the F-18, it should be noted that those -- very successful -- designs diverged from the Mafia's ideas in some crucial ways.

For instance, they used radar-guided missiles.

Yes, the Fighter Mafia was of the opinion that radar-guided missiles were an unreliable means of delivering firepower. This actually made some amount of sense; they formed during the time of the F-4 in Vietnam, when the USAF's new, all-in radar missile design was underperforming embarrassingly. "Surely," one might say, "they updated their opinions as the technology quickly advanced and changed the face of air power forever!"
To win this kind of fight places a premium on gifted pilots, above all else. In distant second place are the airplane characteristics that will help those pilots to win...

(...)

...carrying weapons that deliver reliable kills quickly (cannons first, simple infrared missiles second, radar missiles are off the table since they are neither quick nor reliable).
-Pierre M. Sprey, "Evaluating Weapons: Sorting the Good from the Bad," 2011

Sprey was one of the movement's foremost voices. He was advocating a complete abandonment of radar-guided missiles as late as 2011, in addition to suggesting that even infrared missiles were an unwise distraction from a cannon's primary role. He also suggested that the A-10 had an inappropriate focus on AGMs, and should be replaced with a craft a third of its size, carrying only its 30mm cannon, in an attack platform designed specifically to make low, slow, and straight attack runs, in the era of modern ADS. I am certain that it is incidental that the craft in question was of his own design. Sprey was not the Mafia's one and only combat veteran, for those wondering. He was an engineer.

The spiritual lineage to Lind is fairly clear, here. Lind was obsessed with America (and particularly its military) being fundamentally corrupt and in need of scrapping and reconstitution. The Fighter Mafia said much the same things about the Air Force, alleging that generals were out of touch and bureaucracies were corrupt (a fairly common tactic to resolve such tricky questions as why anybody should listen to people who had never shot down a plane themselves on the question of fighter jet design). The only real divergence is that the Mafia argued for a primary Air Force mission of close air support; to Lind, the Air Force is conceived as an almost purely air-to-air force, with reconnaissance and attacks on vulnerable ground targets being luxuries to be undertaken only once the skies have been secured. He has his planes strike airfields, drop nukes, and execute political assassinations; he does not conceive of them as a primary fire support platform. That said, the rhetoric Lind uses to argue about air-to-air combat is pure Fighter Mafia.
 
Speaking of Sprey, I remember hearing that there is (or was, at one point) a serious concept from him and his associates on how to convert an M113 into an aircraft. I don't know where it is found, but it looks exactly as absurd as you might think. In an incredible stroke of irony, that concept shows it as being armed with missiles. Otherwise, it looks like someone backed an armored vehicle into a WW1 biplane.
 
Speaking of Sprey, I remember hearing that there is (or was, at one point) a serious concept from him and his associates on how to convert an M113 into an aircraft. I don't know where it is found, but it looks exactly as absurd as you might think. In an incredible stroke of irony, that concept shows it as being armed with missiles. Otherwise, it looks like someone backed an armored vehicle into a WW1 biplane.
Nah, that's Mike Sparks. The guy thinks the M113 APC is the pinnacle of military hardware, despite it having been superseded by newer, better vehicles. He also insists on calling it the "Gavin" when nobody else does.
 
There's also the crucial bit where even if you could make it work and achieve a successful combat paradigm of basically TIE fighters in real life, pilots aren't stupid and would be very much hyperaware of how much "light and agile" means "weak and fragile" in everything before that decisive culminating point where they swarm and destroy the enemy. Like even the best of light infantry still occasionally is just forced to limit themselves to smaller, more conservative, and even timid maneuvers because they do not have the robustness to take on all the operational abilities of more well-rounded forces and that level of risk would pose an existential threat to the unit's continued fighting ability even if they do pull it off. So even if we lived in a universe where physics didn't punish the "TIE swarm" strategy quite so harshly, that type of air force would still have a whole lot of severe limitations in what it could or could not do, with all the giant gaps in its mission profiles filled with... I guess warrior spirit or something?
 
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Nah, that's Mike Sparks. The guy thinks the M113 APC is the pinnacle of military hardware, despite it having been superseded by newer, better vehicles. He also insists on calling it the "Gavin" when nobody else does.
I think we can all agree the Fighter Mafia and the Reformers in general are not people to take seriously and deserve to be mocked.

Take the Blitzfighter for instance, would any sane pilot want to fly in that considering modern AA defense?
 
So in other words, Victoria don't believe in what is basically a staple of air power since 1914, strafing vulnerable enemy units on the ground?
In the pre-2074 paradigm, they don't reject it, but they don't prioritize it to the point where they're actively looking for clever ways to do it.

Also, strafing runs are a very risky way to do ground attack against an enemy who is even slightly equipped, because by this point the shoulder-fired SAM has existed for over a century and they're all over the damn place. The Vicks use them extensively, for instance.

They actually lost a lot of jets, often to humiliatingly weak targets like coal-fired gunboats, during the Erie War, trying to strafe ground targets they wanted dead. But due to a lack of workable ground attack doctrine, it fell apart.

I'm not saying there's never been a specific VAF commander who tried slinging some bombs off a Cessna or other similar light prop plane. But it's not something their whole air force was doing as a matter of doctrine.

Errr. Just a reminder the VAF used F5 to "destroy" the Pacific Republic Airforce. While our continuity is that much of this account is sheet propaganda, their propaganda clearly allows for bombing airfields, especially in a sneak attack to disable airpower.
Okay, yeah yeah... but note that even within the propaganda, this is bombing of airfields.

The Vick air power narrative I describe is:

"We have pilots in order to do two things: scout for the MANLY MEN on the ground, and if they are sufficiently MANLY, duel the enemy's LESS MANLY MEN in the opposing air force."

And, within the context of propaganda, what better way to prove your superiority over the opposing air force than to catch it totally napping and blow the shit out of it before it even wakes up, pulls its pants on, and rises to challenge you? Lol, libs owned!

Thus, bombing of airfields is an extension of the MANLY SPARTAFREEDOMERICA FLEXES TO VICTORY narrative of Victorian pilots triumphing over enemy pilots, and only the enemy's pilots.

...

We also observe in the Erie War that the actual VAF is making a good faith effort to break from the narrative by laying in a stockpile of antiship/antitank missiles and also by practicing to do strafing runs. The problem is that, limited by the narrative and the effects of toxic doctrine on Vick military posture, they have not been able to prepare adequately for the task.

While they could surely have gotten a variety of more effective air-to-ground munitions (discounting NCR sabotage), they instead have only a relative handful of air-to-ground missiles (I'm guessing Mavericks), barely enough in their whole air force to equip the air force as a whole for a single massed sortie.

They have no training using bombs, even the sort of dumb bombs the Vicks could manufacture themselves, let alone the easily available GPS-ski-guided bombs the Russians would probably give them if they asked.

So while the VAF doesn't quite restrict itself to the two roles defined for it by the Victorians' doctrinal narrative in the Erie War... They aren't able to break out of the narrative far enough to be an effective fighting force, especially in the context of NCR sabotage.

Lind? No. Lind agrees with Sprey in that the A-10 is the best ever at low and slow .
Ehhh. Yeah, but at the same time, in the quest setting, the Vicks can't get dedicated A-10s because the production line tooling was destroyed, and nobody else makes anything similar because it's an obsolete aircraft, and the Vicks can't make their own because Vicks.

So what they actually have/had is the F-16V, which can be manufactured by production line tooling that actually exists somewhere in the world, as one of the world's cheapest and generally weakest export fighters that still exists circa 2070.
 
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In the pre-2074 paradigm, they don't reject it, but they don't prioritize it to the point where they're actively looking for clever ways to do it.

Also, strafing runs are a very risky way to do ground attack against an enemy who is even slightly equipped, because by this point the shoulder-fired SAM has existed for over a century and they're all over the damn place. The Vicks use them extensively, for instance.

They actually lost a lot of jets, often to humiliatingly weak targets like coal-fired gunboats, during the Erie War, trying to strafe ground targets they wanted dead. But due to a lack of workable ground attack doctrine, it fell apart.

I'm not saying there's never been a specific VAF commander who tried slinging some bombs off a Cessna or other similar light prop plane. But it's not something their whole air force was doing as a matter of doctrine.
Which is something a standardized doctrine would really have helped in, you'd think. But yeah, not arguing with you, just utterly flummoxed by how idiotic VAF doctrines are.
Okay, yeah yeah... but note that even within the propaganda, this is bombing of airfields.

The Vick air power narrative I describe is:

"We have pilots in order to do two things: scout for the MANLY MEN on the ground, and if they are sufficiently MANLY, duel the enemy's LESS MANLY MEN in the opposing air force."

And, within the context of propaganda, what better way to prove your superiority over the opposing air force than to catch it totally napping and blow the shit out of it before it even wakes up, pulls its pants on, and rises to challenge you? Lol, libs owned!

Thus, bombing of airfields is an extension of the MANLY SPARTAFREEDOMERICA FLEXES TO VICTORY narrative of Victorian pilots triumphing over enemy pilots, and only the enemy's pilots.
IOW, what Saddam Hussein was counting on his own AF to do in the early stages of the Iraq-Iran war, as he was copying IDF tactics used in the stunning victory in the Six Days' War. Except the Iraqis had neither the intelligence (in both senses of the word, sadly), bunker-busting munitions, or experience to pull it off properly, and the Iranian air force was soon back in action after being protected by fortified hangars and a few repairs to the air fields.

I suspect the Vicks were similarly saddled, having no real bunker-busting munitions or proper CAS doctrines, and relying on secondhand Russian intel.
We also observe in the Erie War that the actual VAF is making a good faith effort to break from the narrative by laying in a stockpile of antiship/antitank missiles and also by practicing to do strafing runs. The problem is that, limited by the narrative and the effects of toxic doctrine on Vick military posture, they have not been able to prepare adequately for the task.

While they could surely have gotten a variety of more effective air-to-ground munitions (discounting NCR sabotage), they instead have only a relative handful of air-to-ground missiles (I'm guessing Mavericks), barely enough in their whole air force to equip the air force as a whole for a single massed sortie.

They have no training using bombs, even the sort of dumb bombs the Vicks could manufacture themselves, let alone the easily available GPS-ski-guided bombs the Russians would probably give them if they asked.

So while the VAF doesn't quite restrict itself to the two roles defined for it by the Victorians' doctrinal narrative in the Erie War... They aren't able to break out of the narrative far enough to be an effective fighting force, especially in the context of NCR sabotage.


Ehhh. Yeah, but at the same time, in the quest setting, the Vicks can't get dedicated A-10s because the production line tooling was destroyed, and nobody else makes anything similar because it's an obsolete aircraft, and the Vicks can't make their own because Vicks.

So what they actually have/had is the F-16V, which can be manufactured by production line tooling that actually exists somewhere in the world, as one of the world's cheapest and generally weakest export fighters that still exists circa 2070.
Again, you'd think a dedicated CAS doctrine would have helped with that. The A-10 was a glorious plane, but it's badly obsolete by 2030, let alone 2070, and I don't see anyone else copying the idea of "flying tank CAS plane", so it's not like the Vicks can buy them overseas. I'd imagine there's still plenty of Russian and Californian CAS planes, but a) they're too complex for Vick standards (radar, electronics, etc...) and b) since they couldn't get the A-10 flying tank, they went with no CAS (as dumb as that sounds).
 
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The A-10 was very specifically designed to attrite Soviet tank armies in the Fulda Gap on the assumption that there is no such thing as an air-launched guided antitank missile.

Once this assumption was proven wrong, the A-10 lost all reason to exist other than "be awesome."
 
Which is something a standardized doctrine would really have helped in, you'd think. But yeah, not arguing with you, just utterly flummoxed by how idiotic VAF doctrines are.

IOW, what Saddam Hussein was counting on his own AF to do in the early stages of the Iraq-Iran war, as he was copying IDF tactics used in the stunning victory in the Six Days' War. Except the Iraqis had neither the intelligence (in both senses of the word, sadly), bunker-busting munitions, or experience to pull it off properly, and the Iranian air force was soon back in action after being protected by fortified hangars and a few repairs to the air fields.

I suspect the Vicks were similarly saddled, having no real bunker-busting munitions or proper CAS doctrines, and relying on secondhand Russian intel.

Again, you'd think a dedicated CAS doctrine would have helped with that. The A-10 was a glorious plane, but it's badly obsolete by 2030, let alone 2070, and I don't see anyone else copying the idea of "flying tank CAS plane", so it's not like the Vicks can buy them overseas. I'd imagine there's still plenty of Russian and Californian CAS planes, but a) they're too complex for Vick standards (radar, electronics, etc...) and b) since they couldn't get the A-10 flying tank, they went with no CAS (as dumb as that sounds).
They lack the doctrine.

Remember that the Azania propaganda had their Idaho A10 squadron shooting down enemy planes and providing "support" to their ground troops.

However, saying you support ground combat as needed doesn't do much if you actually lack the doctrine, as the USAAF found in North Africa and France.

We have a hostile army who wants all the resources, a VAF starved of assets and not having enough fuel to train for everything. Lastly, CAS is a fusion of air and ground assets. The era of just tossing a bomb out the window died in 1917. If no Victorian FAC was on the ground, if the Vicks couldn't keep any personnel listed as FAC, if they don't have the intelligence and analysis assets involved, they can't provide effective ground support .
 
That's a perfectly valid evaluation when designing a 40k mini.

Beyond that, I have trouble believing that the fighter mafia includes/included anybody who has ever actually SEEN a military aircraft designed after the 1940s.
They got some credence primarily by actually following through on some valid lessons from the Vietnam war, such as the Skyraider and CAS. Boyd theories on aerial dogfight/warfare also influenced them and well, since Boyd was right , they got some credibility off that.


The other aspect is that the Fighter Mafia also glorified dogfights, hence, fighter pilots liked it.
Obviously any real pilot didn't follow the theories of Sprey and co by loving radar, all aspect infared missiles and BVR with AMRAAM.


Of course, one should also note that Boyd E-M theory, as useful as it was isn't the end all of ACM and it just shows that just because Boyd was right on OODA, doesn't mean he should be followed.
 
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I mean, I can understand their emphasizing the need for an autocannon, especially since the F-4 just showed why not having one could be a bad idea. But it's so comically exaggerated that it becomes stupid.

Nowadays I'd see the autocannon more akin to the handheld firearms carried in WWI biplanes : absolutely not a main weapon, but it's threatening enough that enemy fighters can't leisurely line you up with impunity while you return to base. And if things go to hell in a handbasket, then it might make a difference.
 
The A-10 was very specifically designed to attrite Soviet tank armies in the Fulda Gap on the assumption that there is no such thing as an air-launched guided antitank missile.

Once this assumption was proven wrong, the A-10 lost all reason to exist other than "be awesome."
The maverick was put into service around 3 months after the *first flight* of the A-10, let alone the service date.

The A-10 was designed to, uh, specifications, but that there were no air-launched guided antitank missiles was not one of them.
 
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