Professor Vesca
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Absolutely not. This needs an intervention *at minimum*.
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I can't belive it, but hivemind heresy was more reasonable
Save the teenagers & newly converted. Deprogram them.
Hunt the rest.
Also:
Have a public awareness campaign about STD testing, cure-ing, and prevention.
With the standards of living they should have condoms available.
Unless Nurgle re-creates STD regularily, it should be possible to eradicate them.
And a public awareness campaign about the ability to report incidents.
If the victims have nowhere to turn to, or don't know how, we are failing them.
It really doesn't matter What flavourful of chaos cult, if they are at all. Not only are all of the chaos gods ( the roses ideal male population might as well be a khornate SPAWNING pool) perfectly adept at warping these kind of religious a-holes who already practice double think around to their cause, their doctrine outright contradicts not only common sense, but the droman creed!
If it was JUST seeing the star child as a female, that honestly fine, imo that would come under a matter between you and the star child.
Attempt to force the creation of a gender based caste system? Using drugs on teenagers to force motherhood and essentially lock them into the cults?
Nah fuck them, the younger members need therapy, the older members need a cell and to be kept Far away from children.
If it was JUST seeing the star child as a female, that honestly fine, imo that would come under a matter between you and the star child.
Attempt to force the creation of a gender based caste system? Using drugs on teenagers to force motherhood and essentially lock them into the cults?
Nah fuck them, the younger members need therapy, the older members need a cell and to be kept Far away from children.
Professor Vesca
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Yes, the adults may have been raised in the cult, but that does not mean that we should let the cult continue. The cult should be forcibly disbanded and all the cult members forced into therapy. The kids should be seized.
Oh oh oh, For the irony, We could Sentence the Older members of the Cult who are DOING this shit to penal colonies.
You want to make a caste system? Physical labour is a "male" Job? Screw you, spend the rest of your natural life doing the very thing you fault comfortable sentencing the people you saw as beneath you to doing.
You want to make a caste system? Physical labour is a "male" Job? Screw you, spend the rest of your natural life doing the very thing you fault comfortable sentencing the people you saw as beneath you to doing.
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Kids and the recently converted should be pulled out and put into therapy. Everyone else should either be jailed or executed except for people with extenuating circumstances. At least the Hivemind has reasonable sects. This shit is just a rape orgy sexism cult. Also yeah raise awareness for STDs and maybe sex education as well.
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So something like this?
[] Pluck the Rose's petals
-[] Outlaw the Numeror Roses cult in its entirety and let Cerberus deal with the upper leadership
-[] The new converts and underage members should be taken into deprogramming therapy
-[] Preach sermons emphatizing that everyone is equal under the Droman Creed, no matter their gender
-[] Start an information campaign on STDs and general sex education
[] Pluck the Rose's petals
-[] Outlaw the Numeror Roses cult in its entirety and let Cerberus deal with the upper leadership
-[] The new converts and underage members should be taken into deprogramming therapy
-[] Preach sermons emphatizing that everyone is equal under the Droman Creed, no matter their gender
-[] Start an information campaign on STDs and general sex education
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This is just a rough idea I have:
[] Authorize Cerberus to track and arrest every single member of the Order of the Nurenor Roses by all means at their disposal. Grant Cerberus the authority to temporarily take local PDF forces under their command to provide the manpower needed to raid and arrest Nurenor Roses' cells and meetings. The Nurenor Roses' views on gender and caste should be used against them to help identify suspected members and cells, by working with local choirs to identify women psychers suspected to identify with the Roses, or at risk of falling to their beliefs. Men psychers who have been murdered, or died in mysterious accidents should have their deaths investigated thoroughly to determine possible Nurenor Roses involvement as well. These should, with a combination of luck and skill, provide additional leads for Cerberus to track down and arrest many members of the Roses. Once arrested, members of the Roses should be placed in detention centers separate from the general populace, where they will each undergo a thorough psychiatric evaluation and begin deprograming. Attention and care should be made to recognize that many, if not most, of the adult members of the Roses were forced into the cult as children. Time and effort will need to be made to rehabilitate these adults and show them the trauma they underwent as children, and how their current belief systems are a reflection of that trauma that they were forced to adopt. They should be regularly encouraged to provide information on other members of the Roses, to help break the cycle and prevent anyone else from experiencing what they went through. Those who joined as adults should focus their deprograming on the route causes that brought them into the clutches of the cult: coercion, drugging, and any number of systemic societal pressures that have left them vulnerable to predations by cults like the Nurenor Roses. These should address these underlying issues and be provided with the resources to overcome and throw off the shackles that made them susceptible to cult indoctrination. Those who refuse to deprogram, are deemed unable to deprogram by psychiatric evaluation, or show absolutely no remorse for their beliefs and actions should be tried within the justice system for the crimes they committed, and sentenced accordingly. Those found to be corrupted by chaos should be treated accordingly. Any and all children found should undergo deprograming specifically designed for their age brackets, and placed with suitable foster families that have been informed and trained to care for them. It should be recognized that tackling the Nurenor Roses it not something that can or should be done in a quick manner. It will take time and effort to thoroughly root out every cell and member, and to then follow through with deprograming people who were forced into the cult.
Basically we need to approach this with as clinical a mindset as possible. Cults prey on the vulnerable (both adult and child), and even those near the top of the hierarchy are often victims themselves within long-lived cults. Going in and killing any adult member should be an absolute last resort when deprograming and rehabilitation have proven success records.
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Question have we been doing that "every 100 years we have a big meeting about changing our government that has probably grown and changed greatly" thing in the background? Cause if our navy was having trouble dealing with our multiple subsector size I imagine our government that iirc was last changed when we went multiple systems in a single subsector probably needs updating too
Yup, this sounds like a good place to apply jackboot. A good plan should start with somewhat aggressive prosecution, expecting resistance, and then apply our surrender protocols:
Eh, I always found them to be repugnant since we got the descriptors, I just found them to be middle of the road in terms of Damage and influence they could gain over the Federation as a whole. Unlike the Cog and the syncritists, The Roses Best source of recruits will either be preying on the young, Or raising people in the cult. I heavily doubt in their abilityto recruit among the normal male population.
If we gave them 700 years, or a millenium, MAYBE they could have had enough indoctrination and mimicry of the quiverful movement to actually gain influence in the political narrative, But that still put them relatively far down the totem pole in turns of spread compared to The syncretizes who had Sub sectors worth of possible recruits, Or the cog who could recruit among the inttelecutal elite, and then gain sway via servitors and forced experimentation, not to mention a decent pitch in the first place.
I figure if these cults weren't doing horrible shit, they wouldn't have come to Cerberuses focus as such problems. what the rose does it horrible, But they are also a faction that couldn't snowball as fast as the first 2 IMO, Making it harder for them to influence our governmental structure.
fucking hell, they're going Bretonnia and Kislev. and that's dumb as hell to kill the Male Psychers when we can safely train them and cuts our choirs down due to it. Not to mention how the Starchild Prophet Teeln is male, so how do they explain that? the Mothering is just.... jeez. that needs to end.
.....by the way did we ever get around to getting therapy and other mental health additions into the healthcare system?
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
We did, it's just beneath our level of abstraction. We probably know it by how there's not any new Heresies rising.
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[] Plan: Kick In The Door
-[] Outlaw the Numeror Roses cult in its entirety and let Cerberus deal with the upper leadership
-[] After the cult is defeated, apply the Provisionary Cultist Surrender and Imprisonment Guidelines to all members of the cult
-[] Preach sermons emphasizing that everyone is equal under the Droman Creed, no matter their gender
-[] Start an information campaign on STDs and general sex education
They're not Chaos, but there's no reason we can't apply those guidelines to here as well. I'm slightly worried of blowback depending on how powerful the cult may be, but I'm willing to accept that. We can't let this kind of doctrine slide.
-[] Outlaw the Numeror Roses cult in its entirety and let Cerberus deal with the upper leadership
-[] After the cult is defeated, apply the Provisionary Cultist Surrender and Imprisonment Guidelines to all members of the cult
-[] Preach sermons emphasizing that everyone is equal under the Droman Creed, no matter their gender
-[] Start an information campaign on STDs and general sex education
They're not Chaos, but there's no reason we can't apply those guidelines to here as well. I'm slightly worried of blowback depending on how powerful the cult may be, but I'm willing to accept that. We can't let this kind of doctrine slide.
HeroCooky
Unverified Monstergirl
Yep! Unless you are mtf, then it is a tragedy of nature that needs to be corrected.
...but if you are ftm...the less said the better.
Also, non-horrible fun-fact: as you are preaching the Star Child as They/Them, Non-Binary folk are fully treated as a normal thing.
They are. For them, Male/Female/Third/Other is mostly cultural terms they change 2~3 times in their lives.
They are doing good! Just look at how you didn't get any new cults to look at!
With Med V? Yep. With Med XV it'll be as easy as fetting chucked into a tank and walking out your selected choice two months later.
The next is at 700.M42.
Could we additionally do a campaing on informing people where to get help?
Looking at their ritual orgy and the consent question, if we haven't gotten any reports about people that were involved but didn't want to be, that sounds suspicious like survivors not knowing where to turn.
Note that the Government system was explicitly planned with scalability in mind.
It should work for a single station, or multiple sector. Just need to have the appropriate number of tiers.
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Somehow they came up with this ideology despite a man being the spiritual leader of the nation for the past 500 fucking years. Wild how they managed to pull this off
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That's a good point.
[] Plan: Kick In The Door v1.1
-[] Outlaw the Numeror Roses cult in its entirety and let Cerberus deal with the upper leadership.
-[] After the cult is defeated, apply the Provisionary Cultist Surrender and Imprisonment Guidelines to all members of the cult.
-[] Preach sermons emphasizing that everyone is equal under the Droman Creed, no matter their gender. Note the importance of both Teeln and Bnuy, man and woman, to the development of the Glimmering Federation.
-[] Start an information campaign on STDs and general sex education.
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It's also every two-hundred years, not every hundred.