Yeah, it really seems like we just did it for the memes.
So yeah, it was only a meme action in practice.
Sterbelicht - One Sacrifice At A Time Against The Galaxy (40K)
- Thread starter HeroCooky
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- Mature Sci-Fi
[X] Plan: Emergency Building Panic
-[X] [General] Stay The Course (0/7)
-[X] Civilian Infrastructure -II
-[X] Medical Services -I
We will help all trying to be pragmatics is part of the reason the galaxy became like this
-[X] [General] Stay The Course (0/7)
-[X] Civilian Infrastructure -II
-[X] Medical Services -I
We will help all trying to be pragmatics is part of the reason the galaxy became like this
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Some might argue that the people of the Galaxy are already broken and seeking death. After all, everyone's stuck in a death spiral despite the fact that they have power we can't even dream of. Begin as you intend to proceed, and hope the Star Child smiles on our sacrifice.
If you're willing to shy away from the Hard Thing just because it's Hard and you could profit greatly in other fields by leaving them out to dry, then you're not really doing it right to begin with.
That being said... Ugh, we're AP starved and a meme won. I thought that it was just something that was worked out while I wasn't paying attention and it would have some significant benefits somewhere. Hopefully it does pay out down the line, but I was completely depleted after the Taurus kerfuffle and sort of tuned out that voting session.
[X] Plan: Emergency Building Panic
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Professor Vesca
Good News Everyone!
Yes. They are worth it.
These are the people who are suffering in front of us. Shall we turn them away in favor of hypothetical people who may yet one day be in front of us but are not? Shall we dirty our hands by enabling the suffering of even one person today, in the hopes that some day in the future we will relieve two people?
No.
This way lies heresy, this path leads to the judging and weighing of lives on a scale as if they were mere tokens. The exchange and bartering of souls. As if by spending souls today, we may see a profit, a return of souls at some point in the future. You cannot barter and trade in the souls of others and still claim you are a follower of the Star Child.
We are the ones who walk away from Omelas.
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- Zack
[X] Plan: Emergency Building Panic
[X] Plan: Save who we can
[X] Plan: Fighting the Grimdark with the Indomitable Human Spirit
[X] Plan: Save who we can
[X] Plan: Fighting the Grimdark with the Indomitable Human Spirit
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- Centro Italia
[X] Plan: Emergency Building Panic
[X] Plan: Emergency Building Panic
It also worked too? I didnt voot for it but it a was a serious plan that worked
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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Anyway, why is our choice between shooting most of them and trying a colonization program way outside our defensive sphere?
One would figure that evacuation'd be both cheaper, and more likely to save lives as we can mix people among a larger, less traumatized population.
One would figure that evacuation'd be both cheaper, and more likely to save lives as we can mix people among a larger, less traumatized population.
I sat out the vote last time, but now I realize that was a mistake.
But these are people that are already incredibly broken, and even if we stay the course, 7 turns will be 7 decades, everyone who suffered here will be long dead. We're not saving anyone, all we're doing is prolonging their suffering and hoping the best for their descendants.
Meanwhile, we have neighbors right next door to us who need help, and those people might actually WANT to be saved. Regardless of your beliefs, you can't really save anyone who doesn't want to be saved, and the cost for the actions proves it with how by the time we're finished, all the victims would be long gone. Idealism is good an all, but the facts of the galaxy is that you can't save everyone and not make any hard decisions. And despite your intentions, keeping these people alive isn't a kindness, it's cruelty.
Should we value these broken souls over the ones who actually need help right next door, and by the time we actually get around to helping them they'll have suffered the same fate as Urbaka?
I think NOT.
[X] Plan: Save who we can
-[X] [Psykana] Conduct a Melody (Humanity)
-[X] [Military] A Task For Specialists
—[X] Task Fleet Alpha
—[X] Space Marine Squad
—[X] Space Marine Scout Platoon
—[X] Droman Coral Assault Regiments x2
—-[X] Go to Nuemidia and assist what survivors remain of the Ork threat.
[X] [Military] Design A New Voidship Class - [Destroyer]
But these are people that are already incredibly broken, and even if we stay the course, 7 turns will be 7 decades, everyone who suffered here will be long dead. We're not saving anyone, all we're doing is prolonging their suffering and hoping the best for their descendants.
Meanwhile, we have neighbors right next door to us who need help, and those people might actually WANT to be saved. Regardless of your beliefs, you can't really save anyone who doesn't want to be saved, and the cost for the actions proves it with how by the time we're finished, all the victims would be long gone. Idealism is good an all, but the facts of the galaxy is that you can't save everyone and not make any hard decisions. And despite your intentions, keeping these people alive isn't a kindness, it's cruelty.
Should we value these broken souls over the ones who actually need help right next door, and by the time we actually get around to helping them they'll have suffered the same fate as Urbaka?
I think NOT.
[X] Plan: Save who we can
-[X] [Psykana] Conduct a Melody (Humanity)
-[X] [Military] A Task For Specialists
—[X] Task Fleet Alpha
—[X] Space Marine Squad
—[X] Space Marine Scout Platoon
—[X] Droman Coral Assault Regiments x2
—-[X] Go to Nuemidia and assist what survivors remain of the Ork threat.
[X] [Military] Design A New Voidship Class - [Destroyer]
The option was to give a Free Death to all who wanted it, but the fact that only a "fraction of a fraction" remained sane, that meant that it would effectively kill like 95% of the people here at the minimum. Heck, the option to leave would be recolonizing a good chunk of the population to Droma
[X] Plan: Emergency Building Panic
Basically required. The action sink sucks, but we're committed.
Are they worth that massive investment in actions? Fuck no.
Would we be able to do more good by mercy killing them and investing those resources elsewhere? Absolutely.
Can we fix everything in the setting? Absolutely not.
Could we accept that without turning our back on our wish to make our faction better? Maybe.
Do we want to? That's the big question being asked.
Edit : Sorry for not being clear. I support this course of action. Cold calculus speaks against it, but I want to still try.
Basically required. The action sink sucks, but we're committed.
Are they worth that massive investment in actions? Fuck no.
Would we be able to do more good by mercy killing them and investing those resources elsewhere? Absolutely.
Can we fix everything in the setting? Absolutely not.
Could we accept that without turning our back on our wish to make our faction better? Maybe.
Do we want to? That's the big question being asked.
Edit : Sorry for not being clear. I support this course of action. Cold calculus speaks against it, but I want to still try.
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to be honest this makes me like the option more cause people alwasy alwasy play wide or something it would be fun to play tall for once
I think the not qm message might have been better recived if it came from someone on the council or space marine capiatian or something just cause people do not like the eldar lol
also just to theorize for fun in universe since eldar alwasy got double meanings going on I also think this is a test of sorts by the eldar to see if we are different from the other factions in the unverise if we are gonna walk the talk while also being genuine advice
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If you don't want to, vote for Plan: Save who we can where we evacuate who we can and respect let these people have a chance for a new life, or accept death if they want to.
Professor Vesca
Good News Everyone!
Its not about saving everyone, or even most people, its about making the active choice to save the people in front of us right now. For example I do not think that the children were given an adequate say in whether they wish to live or die. Rather the parents are acting out of a very real, deep seated fear that the Orks will return, and it is better to commit collective [REDACTED] now while they have the chance before their former masters return, so horrible was their suffering.
The patient is in front of us now. With great effort salvation is possible. Shall we turn them away in their time of trial, just because we could, in theory, save more in the future? Shall we spend their souls that we might see a great profit of lives at some theoretical point in the future? This is the thinking of the Imperium of Man. If we wish to return to them, they are right there. We know well the price *they* pay, the red-stained hands with which they 'save' lives.
We saw how they chose to save the lives of the people right now. We are the ones who are stuck cleaning up the mess they have left of the people who put their trust in them.
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[X] Plan: Keep building ships.
And my point is that WE CAN'T SAVE SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T WANT TO BE SAVED!!!
I agree, the children don't get a say and the infanticide was from the parents being paranoid. But the fact of the matter is that these people are broken, and by the timescale of this quest, the only ones who will benefit from this course of action is their descendants. Right now, most of them would very much rather die, and while I believe people have a right to live, I believe they have the right to die if they so wish and forcing them to live when they very much want to die is cruel when all they can expect is to have a cursed, tormented life. I'm all for taking who want to live and helping them, but not wasting our time when there are people who actually fucking want our help.
Yeah, it sounds fun to me, and I like how ruthless is that choice on our action economy. We're like 50 years in debt to be where we were tech-wise.
@HeroCooky if we decide to stay the course for 3 turns or something and invest 4 AP into it and then decide not to invest in it one turn. I assume t the ap we have invested is lost and we don't get to recoup it like the lost stats points?
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Given that this is the second quest where you've had "here's this group of suicidal people, are you suuuure you want to waste resources on them?" as a distinct plot element where you seem to want to shame people for wanting to help others and make it ridiculously expensive to even try, I think it's worth doing just to spite you for it.
[X] Plan: Emergency Building Panic
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Professor Vesca
Good News Everyone!
This isnt one person, this is an entire people. We will save who we can, mourn who we cannot, and help those who are left. Thats what we are doing, and we are committing to ridding the planet of its Orkish occupiers. It will take effort, and time, to raise them up to a point where they can help themselves. I think that is a worthy effort. We are not forcing assistance upon someone who does not wish it. Those who wish for release from this coil will win it, one way or another. Our assistance is for those who would yet remain.
[X] Plan: Emergency Building Panic
Do those maluses suck? Yes they do.
But should we help these people anyway?
Yes
Seven turns of Two AP is going to suck, but the pay off will eventual be worth it down the line. Not only that, but IC were a faction made up of those who want to do as much good as possible, even if it hurts us.
And as others pointed out, if we want to make the universe a better place, one way to do so is to cut down on the thought processes and "Means to and End" mentality everyone else in this setting has.
[X] Plan: Fighting the Grimdark with the Indomitable Human Spirit
-[X] [General] Stay The Course (0/7)
-[X] [Psykana] Conduct a Melody (Song)
-[X] [General] Construct Something
--[X] Medical Services -I
Also posting my own plan, because our Psykana could also be of use for helping the planet recover.
Do those maluses suck? Yes they do.
But should we help these people anyway?
Yes
Seven turns of Two AP is going to suck, but the pay off will eventual be worth it down the line. Not only that, but IC were a faction made up of those who want to do as much good as possible, even if it hurts us.
And as others pointed out, if we want to make the universe a better place, one way to do so is to cut down on the thought processes and "Means to and End" mentality everyone else in this setting has.
[X] Plan: Fighting the Grimdark with the Indomitable Human Spirit
-[X] [General] Stay The Course (0/7)
-[X] [Psykana] Conduct a Melody (Song)
-[X] [General] Construct Something
--[X] Medical Services -I
Also posting my own plan, because our Psykana could also be of use for helping the planet recover.
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