Shepard Quest Mk VII, Age of Revy (ME/MCU)
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We kinda have to if we want the Citadel to pull it's own weight in the upcoming Reaper War.
If you still don't like that, just think of it as turning the Citadel races into meatshields so that they'll bear the brunt of the Reapers wrath.
They do still need better guns and ships though.
If only there was a someone who was a supergenius who can do that for them.
Oh wait...
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The System Alliance would probably object.
The System's Alliance is where all our stuff is. I don't think Revy's keen to step on their toes just for the sake of doing that.
Maybe a project where we get asked to design refits for their stuff using toys they can produce in-house? It'd give the SA a glimpse at what the top-end Turian fleets are sporting, but the alternative is going to war with outdated equipment and I doubt the Heirarchy is keen on that after the performance seen here.
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Not really...
We've been over this before. We don't really need the space.
Nor do the council races.
Theres nothing we want from this war really except reparations and the Batarians to stop being assholes. They started it because humans already had everything they wanted and it was only going to get harder for them to catch up. If you want to track the chain of cause and effect back up the realpolitik then this all started because the Citadel recognised human claims to a lot of worlds the Batarians had claimed.
Batarian concessions are probably going to be monetary, abandoning their claims to those worlds and some nightmare enforcement scenario about preventing slavery.
Problem is that indoctrination basically makes people obedient but stupid.
It can instill subservience, but it can't instill skill. Skill has to be gained the normal way, by training, preferably before indoctrination because indoctrination makes learning harder by draining the intelligence of the indoctrinated.
Another thing that's going to happen is that the Hierarchy officers planning the operation are going to need to answer questions like 'why the fuck did you have the troops on the combat fleet before the battle was decided when you knew it was going to be a major fleet engagement?'
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that would be my fault as I assume that there is a complement of soldier on every ship during a potential invasion as we have never actually seen transport ships for soldiers since they always seem to come from drop ships that come from the combat fleet
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Uh,wouldn't we as in Parsec actually gain a bit from even just a few planets considering our own developments?
Not really. The thing you've got to keep in mind is that Alliance Space is huuuge while the Alliance itself is tiny. There are twelve clusters in Alliance Space (well 14 if you count the 2 Batarian controlled ones) which between them have 32 canonical Systems and there are clear implications there are even more systems that aren't shown in game (like Alpha Centauri and Demeter not being part of the Local Cluster or Mindoir not appearing in any known Cluster). Basically all of which are either untouched or inhabited by a few hundred thousand people. All of which is before we tripled the speed of Alliance ships, and invented but IIRC haven't yet sold infinite range drive cores, allowing for exploration and colonization outside the normally considered safe ranges from Relays.
Basically the origin of the Alliance-Hegemony conflict comes down to the fact that the Hegemony, like most other Citadel nations, was content slowly expanding within its claimed territory. Then the Alliance showed up, saw we were surrounded by large, powerful, and ancient empires so ran around claiming every system we could, including a lot of previously Baterian claimed but unoccupied territory, and plopping tiny colonies on them to lock down the claims. The Hegemony protested this and the Citadel, being in a "No Slaves, No More." mood told them to suck it.
The end result is the Alliance has masses of space and nowhere near the population or resources needed to actually do anything with that space. In a couple centuries when we've ballooned in size it will make the Alliance a superpower but for now its just mostly empty space. Hence why they were willing to sell Paragon Industries entire planets.
Speaking of which; if we need anymore planets for whatever reason (we haven't even done anything with the one we currently have) we can always go back and buy those planets we skipped out on earlier. It isn't like they are going to get anymore expensive while our budget will continue to grow.
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plus the fact that the Council probably allowed the Alliance their claims to force them to fight the Batarians tying up/weakening both polities and distracting them from focusing on the Council space. council using humans as a distraction and buffer against pirates/batarians initially
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We as Parsec are a mercenary group not a war power, even if in sheer firepower we may be approaching it. We don't get a seat at the table even if we wanted one.
Also taking a world from the batarians would be an incredibly dubious move for us. These would literally be the frontier of space piracy. Nobody wants the most bleeding edge military tech company to be functioning somewhere that is that remote and easily raided.
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Most of the time we also don't see a carefully planned invasion by a major military, but flotilla scale anti piracy and exploration operations at the largest, where hauling in a dedicated transport effort is unnecessary because the opposition is neither large enough to demand more troops than the squads and platoons on board the ships nor dangerous enough to really threaten the space assets. A blind faith in the superiority of Hierarchy ships and sailors resulting in troops being brought in on ships expected to participate in the fleet clashes is quite reasonable.
Realistically however, for efforts like this the Hierarchy would have dedicated planetary assault assets, which might well be filled to the brim and at least some of the overflow being handed off to the combat fleets because there was room and it's not as if the Hierarchy has an endless supply of such assets, given how rare planetary combat is.
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Why would it have? Its a single asteroid.
I can't even remember if its geographically close.
Omega most likely did not join the war on the basis of 'we are way too fragile if a nation state takes an actual interest in us'.
Omega survives as the home of scum of villainy that it is because all parties benefit from pretending it's nothing more than a skeevy trade port. If it got actually involved rather than serving as a coincidental home base for at least some of the idiots supporting the Hegemony it would be a target, and Omega, frankly, does not have the defenses nor the supplies to last more than months. A couple dozen frigates could, fairly easily, isolate Omega from everything it needs to survive.
Omega survives as the home of scum of villainy that it is because all parties benefit from pretending it's nothing more than a skeevy trade port. If it got actually involved rather than serving as a coincidental home base for at least some of the idiots supporting the Hegemony it would be a target, and Omega, frankly, does not have the defenses nor the supplies to last more than months. A couple dozen frigates could, fairly easily, isolate Omega from everything it needs to survive.
Gotta second this, even though to some extent, this is already happening. With Arc reactors.
Just look at Taiwan IRL. The overwhelming majority of microchip production occurs on the island, and especially something like 80-90+% of all military grade microchips (without with modern military missile/computer systems are basically worthless) are produced. And this has been a deliberate economic effort to basically force the US into protecting them from China, while also deterring China from attacking for fear of destroying the factories and workforce that they ALSO depend on for their military and modern civilization. Because a critical resource is outsourced, multiple world super-powers, stubborn super-powers with a long history of bullying to get their way...are left dancing to (limited) tune of a tiny island nation. (Which is why the Biden admin started trying to kickstart microchip production in the states and thus pissed off Taiwan because their security depends on monopoly, but TBF, I wouldn't want China to come over and do horrible things to my nation in the name of ideology, fulfilling a nearly century old grudge, and making an example either.)
The Turians? Do not want to get Taiwan'd by the SA, relying on PI for Arc Reactors is bad enough as it is, but it's not literally a key component for all their advanced military gear and lots of their civilian industry right now like Taiwan's microchips are or PI being solely responsible for their modern military would be.
Plus, the SA is no Taiwan. It can and would 'ask' for more then just defensive military protection, because while Revy has been spinning hearts and minds about as hard as is physically possible with free distribution of incredible medical technology...much of humanity itself are still belligerent assholes.
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Out of a spacefaring species of billions, it's a single (albeit ridiculously hyper-intelligent) genius who's keeping the System Alliances/Humanities reputation with the rest of the civilized galaxy, in the black.
Damn...
Part of that is just how the Citadel species are set up, their culture that elevates (civilization) seniority, their history that biases them against fast/'reckless' growers (see the Krogan or Quarians, sans the important context most don't know, remember, or care about at least), and the fact that for the 'minor' Citadel species humans have been rapidly surpassing the wealth and territory they've spent centuries building.
Being a small, expansionist, and not at all passive species sets a lot of biases against humanity. All the Terra Firma party equivalents, Cerberus types, and plain human assholes (remember how the Blue Suns were founded anyone, and just how many humans make up it's ranks) really don't help.
Even still I wouldn't call OG Humanity's relations 'in the red' exactly, but integration should have understandably been a generational process before the games events shook things up and then the Reaper war forced unity.
Revy (and this war) have been dramatically accelerating the development of relations, and even outright generating good-will...but the movers and shakers of the Galaxy can't exactly be relaxed. By all means Humanity is due respect and good treatment as a result of PI's actions, but that's a very different matter from trusting critical, sovereign, powers and responsibilities to them. Especially since Shepard and PI most definitely do NOT dictate the members or policy of SA's leadership.
This is a good time for Paragon Industries' starship construction division. The Systems Alliance has 65 Frigates and 39 Cruisers to replace. With 36 Small Shipyards and 8 Medium Shipyards capable of producing a combined total of 216 Frigates per quarter and 32 Cruisers per two quarters the Alliance could replace all its Frigate losses next quarter and most its Cruiser losses the quarter after that. Plus as nice as the upgraded Frigates we built are they are just not in the same tier as the Pynda.
The Huai-Hai is so dirt cheap it is almost impossible to replicate it using the ship builder. I manage to do it but it has just navigational grade shields and the only weapons system is a Light MAC primary payload and that is with the PI upgrades used where possible to make things cheaper. Looking at the design I'd say it acts as an dirt cheap fighter screen; it has no defenses to tank a shot from another warship but fighter MACs are small enough that the navigational grade shielding probably counters them and similarly the Light MACs aren't going to do anything against another warship but should be more then enough to overwhelm a fighter's shielding.
The Waterloo meanwhile ironically enough runs into basically the opposite probably; it is so expensive it is effectively impossible to replicate using the ship builder. Even loading up with the most expensive options possible the other way to make it work is replacing the Primary and Secondary Payloads with drones which unlike the Huai-Hai's design isn't really justifiable. So I can only assume the Waterloo is a fiat bad platform that incurs extra cost to build in or retrofit.
Regardless the simple fact is the Pynda is objectively superior to the Huai-Hai and (almost certainly) the Waterloo while costing significantly less then the latter.
As for their Cruisers; we don't have stats for those. We do know the Genevra-class Light Cruiser costs 25 billion and 75,000pr to upgrade but given the LLP retails for 36 billion and a minimum spec (IE: no Payloads and cheapest options everywhere) Light Cruiser in the designer costs 41 billion I'm going to take that at face value and assume that is the upgrade cost not the cost of a new unit like I'm pretty sure the Huai-Hai and Waterloo are.
Also Eezo is expensive. In modern Paragon Industries designs shielding quickly becomes the dominate price driver. To the point I think the shielding system might need a rework because for larger then Frigate ships it is really dragging them out of line with the expected price brackets. I'll have to do so research deep dives later on to see if I can work out a solution that doesn't break everything.
The Huai-Hai is so dirt cheap it is almost impossible to replicate it using the ship builder. I manage to do it but it has just navigational grade shields and the only weapons system is a Light MAC primary payload and that is with the PI upgrades used where possible to make things cheaper. Looking at the design I'd say it acts as an dirt cheap fighter screen; it has no defenses to tank a shot from another warship but fighter MACs are small enough that the navigational grade shielding probably counters them and similarly the Light MACs aren't going to do anything against another warship but should be more then enough to overwhelm a fighter's shielding.
The Waterloo meanwhile ironically enough runs into basically the opposite probably; it is so expensive it is effectively impossible to replicate using the ship builder. Even loading up with the most expensive options possible the other way to make it work is replacing the Primary and Secondary Payloads with drones which unlike the Huai-Hai's design isn't really justifiable. So I can only assume the Waterloo is a fiat bad platform that incurs extra cost to build in or retrofit.
Regardless the simple fact is the Pynda is objectively superior to the Huai-Hai and (almost certainly) the Waterloo while costing significantly less then the latter.
As for their Cruisers; we don't have stats for those. We do know the Genevra-class Light Cruiser costs 25 billion and 75,000pr to upgrade but given the LLP retails for 36 billion and a minimum spec (IE: no Payloads and cheapest options everywhere) Light Cruiser in the designer costs 41 billion I'm going to take that at face value and assume that is the upgrade cost not the cost of a new unit like I'm pretty sure the Huai-Hai and Waterloo are.
Also Eezo is expensive. In modern Paragon Industries designs shielding quickly becomes the dominate price driver. To the point I think the shielding system might need a rework because for larger then Frigate ships it is really dragging them out of line with the expected price brackets. I'll have to do so research deep dives later on to see if I can work out a solution that doesn't break everything.