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They were put there in response to the batarian threat. Once the war is over I wouldn't be suprised if they moved the threat again to fix the problems moving it there caused.
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They were put there in response to the batarian threat. Once the war is over I wouldn't be suprised if they moved the threat again to fix the problems moving it there caused.
... The Alliance had already had a more or less permanent cruiser presence in system as a result of us cranking out Tigers as fast as possible. The 4th Fleet might get cycled over time, but you can be fairly sure that with Mindoir now producing the Alliance's best combat vehicles and frigates that a heavy military presence in system is guaranteed.
Up to and including a dreadnought and its attending fleet elements. At minimum until it's proven that dreadnought's have gone the way of the dodo.
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Until we get around to upgrading dreadnoughts with our tech and genius then they will make a comeback
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I would personally suggest that we set up an information network on the citadel itself and start digging into Shadow Broker. For our construction company we should buy the other company, one specializing in orbital construction. We should also prepare for the "Landfall plan".
Actually would it be better for us to do the block upgrades for all Alliance ships at this point. They would need it and by assigning them all to Earth we could make some inroads to Terra Firma and make their logistics easier.
It seems that putting almost all of our production and licensing to the colonies have actually complicated SA logistics trains and have made them somewhat vulnerable to pirates. Meaning that the Alliance has to put ships that could be doing something else to protect trade convoys.
Huh. Their is an actual reason as to why the Alliance makes most industries in the core of their space and on Earth.
It seems that putting almost all of our production and licensing to the colonies have actually complicated SA logistics trains and have made them somewhat vulnerable to pirates. Meaning that the Alliance has to put ships that could be doing something else to protect trade convoys.
Huh. Their is an actual reason as to why the Alliance makes most industries in the core of their space and on Earth.
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...You know how many people tried that and wound up dead? It seems more trouble than it is worth and we don't really have reason to start shit with the shadow broker.
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Hm. We could however establish a business relation.
I guess we don't have any reasons to not do so IC, but you should remember that in ME2 the Shadow Broker was helping the Collectors.
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We don't know IC, and if we want to play it saf(ish), we can get information we are not really interested in for misdirection. And try to see if any of our employees already has connections.
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If you haven't noticed having much of their fleet around Mindoir has caused a few problems for them and is an inconvinience. When they do win the war it's quite possible they may decide that it's really not necessary to have such a large force and lower the protection detail... At which point we are far more vulnerable when the Reapers make another try for Revy. Plus space stations would improve production by a lot so getting them is a must, it's just that arming them with weapons is a bonus.
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We're already close to having our own battlegroup as it is (albeit made up entirely of frigates), and energy level restrictions don't just apply to dreadnought sized ships. Being able to have dreadnoughts doesn't just mean being able to make a supership, it means being able to use the more powerful weapon techs on our tree without blatant loophole abuse/cheating.
I doubt that merely having a dreadnought will somehow completely reverse people's perception of us. Making them nervous is very different from suddenly making them hostile. I'm fine with making C-Space nervous, not making them hostile.
I didn't say they would be unable to, I said it would be non-trivial, that it would force them to "stay on their toes". If they were able to use those shipyards to make a Dreadnought without raising suspicion under the new rules they would be able to secretly build a dreadnought under the old ones. Also, I'm not convinced an organization like Cerebus, which isn't suited to large fleet battles, would get much use out of a conventional Dreadnaught. If they had Revy level tech that would be another matter, but they don't.
Because everything is changing. Rapidly. The entire reason for changing the treaty was because Dreadnoughts aren't going to be playing such a large role in the future. Not when you can equip smaller ships with weapons that do equivalent damage and where just scaling up doesn't lead to equivalent increases in damage output.
Additionally, it's basically the entire idea behind the Normandy taken from the other direction. A proof that even with races like the Batarians can contribute to the collective good of the galaxy. Provided of course that they stay a Council race they are also going to have to contribute to the force. It also has a major benefit in that while it does serve to curtail the military power of member nations it doesn't weaken the whole in the same way as being limited to the Turian fleet does. Throwing in a join defensive pact where war being declared on one member is in effect a declaration on all of them would just be icing really. They won't of course interfere with disputes between member nations though.
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It occurs to me that if the Dreadnought restrictions only apply to mobile ships we could just abuse hyper-modularity to build the sublight propulsion separately and attach the engines the instant we need them. With Grav sensors + TIR + thermal annihilation + QEC we could even connect them, immediately stealth, and disconnect before leaving stealth. After all, it's not cheating if you don't get caught.
The issue is that the blatant loophole abuse would probably come off worse than simply lobbying for the dreadnoughts in the first place. If we lobby to pay however many billions to gain the right to make a single ship with dreadnought level firepower we're being upfront about our intentions, we're important enough to warrant a fleet large enough to conquer a small nation, so we should be allowed to have a fleet the size of small nation. The benefit to the SA's fleet size (and thus the fleet size others wish to match or exceed, increasing the military force available to fight the reapers) is totally and completely "coincidental". If we just "happen" to have a bunch of "totally not warships" that can become dreadnoughts in under an hour...
Basically, it doesn't matter if a military arms race leads to a war in 30 or 40 years. The reapers will have already shown up by then and every bit of those oversized militaries will be needed.
The issue is that the blatant loophole abuse would probably come off worse than simply lobbying for the dreadnoughts in the first place. If we lobby to pay however many billions to gain the right to make a single ship with dreadnought level firepower we're being upfront about our intentions, we're important enough to warrant a fleet large enough to conquer a small nation, so we should be allowed to have a fleet the size of small nation. The benefit to the SA's fleet size (and thus the fleet size others wish to match or exceed, increasing the military force available to fight the reapers) is totally and completely "coincidental". If we just "happen" to have a bunch of "totally not warships" that can become dreadnoughts in under an hour...
Basically, it doesn't matter if a military arms race leads to a war in 30 or 40 years. The reapers will have already shown up by then and every bit of those oversized militaries will be needed.
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I'm not against the idea - I love it - but I don't see how it could be sold.
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But I don't have to, that's what the PR unit is good for. Let's ask them.
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Oh, sell hyper-modularity propulsion units galaxy wide. And also offer designs for modular space stations.
And a modular FTL core for the transport of all of these modules to another system, kind of low-grade freighter.
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So what you're saying is we should help all the treaty signatories abuse the loophole? I like your thinking. Arms races for everyone!
I want the reapers to show up to find a Citadel filled with super militarized species prepared for war with more advanced/numerous enemies. Funneling large portions of your economy into the navy makes a lot more sense when a massive fleet of xenocidal warmachines is going to show up in a couple of decades.
Also, I recall the US navy having to limit their battleship size to fit them through the Panama canal. I wonder if there is a size limit on relays?
What I probably should have been doing: Gathering WoGs from Thread 5.
What I did instead:
The Asari Republics, Turian Hierarchy, Salarian Union, and The Council Associate Races:
Desiring to contribute to the maintenance of the general peace, and to reduce the burdens of competition in armament;
Have resolved, with a view to accomplishing these purposes, to conclude a treaty to limit their respective naval armament, and to that end have appointed as their Plenipotentiaries;
Citizens of the Asari Republics:
Primarch Fedorian of the Turian Hierarchy:
Dalatrass Linron of the Salarian Union:
Council Associate Races:
Who, having communicated to each other their respective full powers, found to be in good and due form, have agreed as follows:
The Contracting Powers agree to limit their respective naval armament as provided in the present Treaty.
The Contracting Powers, excepting the Turian Hierarchy, shall restrict their capital ship building programs such that their total capital ship count shall not exceed, for the Asari Republics 60% (sixty percent) of the Turian Hierarcy's count; for the Salarian Union 60% (sixty percent) of the Turian Hierarcy's count; Citadel Associate Races 20% (twenty percent) of the Turian Hierarcy's count.
In case of loss or accidental destruction of capital ships belonging to the Turian Hierarchy the count shall be suspended at the previous value until lost ships are replaced.
Capital ships in excess to the numbers allowed under the provisions of Article II shall be scrapped as prescribed in Chapter II, Part 1. Scrapping shall commence with the most recent ship and progress in reverse chronological order until all excess ships have been scrapped.
Upon reaching the maximum capital ship count allowed under Article II, the Contracting Powers shall abandon their respective capital ship building programs, and no new capital ships shall be constructed or acquired by any of the Contracting Powers, except replacement ships which may be constructed or acquired as specified in Chapter II, Part 2, until such a time that the Contracting Powers are no longer in risk of breaching the provisions laid out in Article II.
Ships which are replaced in accordance with Chapter II, Part 2, shall be disposed of as prescribed in Part 1 of that Chapter.
No capital ship exceeding the any of the following limitations:
No vessel of war of any of the Contracting Powers, hereafter laid down, other than a capital ship, shall exceed any of the following limitations:
No ship designated in the present Treaty to be scrapped may be reconverted into a vessel of war.
No preparations shall be made in merchant ships in time of peace for the installation of warlike armaments for the purpose of converting such ships into vessels of war.
No vessel of war constructed within the jurisdiction of any of the Contracting Powers for a non-Contracting Power shall exceed the limitations as to armament prescribed by the present Treaty for vessels of a similar type which may be constructed by or for any of the Contracting Powers.
If the construction of any vessel of war for a non-Contracting Power is undertaken within the jurisdiction of any of the Contracting Powers, such Power shall promptly inform the other Contracting Powers of the date of the signing of the contract and the date on which the hull of the ship is laid; and shall also communicate to them the particulars relating to the ship prescribed in Chapter II, Part 2 Section I (b), (4) and (5).
In the event of a Contracting Power being engaged in war, such Power shall not use as a vessel of war any vessel of war which may be under construction within its jurisdiction for any other Power, or which may have been constructed within its jurisdiction for another Power and not delivered.
Each of the Contracting Powers undertakes not to dispose by gift, sale or any mode of transfer of any vessel of war in such a manner that such vessel may become a vessel of war in the Navy of any foreign Power.
PART 1.-Rules for Scrapping Vessels of War
The following rules shall be observed for the scrapping of vessels of war which are to be disposed of in accordance with Article III.
The replacement of capital ships shall take place according to the rules in Section I and the tables in of this Part.
SECTION I.-RULES FOR REPLACEMENT
For the purposes of the present Treaty, the following expressions are to be understood in the sense defined in this Part.
A capital ship, in the case of ships hereafter built, is defined as a vessel of war with any of the following characteristics:
If during the term of the present Treaty the requirements of the national security of any Contracting Power in respect of naval defense are, in the opinion of that Power, materially affected by any change of circumstances, the Contracting Powers will, at the request of such Power, meet in conference with a view to the reconsideration of the provisions of the Treaty and its amendment by mutual agreement.
In view of possible technical and scientific developments, the Turian Hierarchy, after consultation with the other Contracting Powers, shall arrange for a conference of all the Contracting Powers which shall convene as soon as possible after the expiration of eight years from the coming into force of the present Treaty to consider what changes, if any, in the Treaty may be necessary to meet such developments.
Whenever any Contracting Power shall become engaged in a war which in its opinion affects the naval defence of its national security, such Power may after notice to the other Contracting Powers suspend for the period of hostilities its obligations under the present Treaty other than those under Articles VII and XI, provided that such Power shall notify the other Contracting Powers that the emergency is of such a character as to require such suspension.
The remaining Contracting Powers shall in such case consult together with a view to agreement as to what temporary modifications if any should be made in the Treaty as between themselves. Should such consultation not produce agreement, duly made in accordance with the constitutional methods of the respective Powers, any one of said Contracting Powers may, by giving notice to the other Contracting Powers, suspend for the period of hostilities its obligations under the present Treaty, other than those under Articles VII and XI.
On the cessation of hostilities the Contracting Powers will meet in conference to consider what modifications, if any, should be made in the provisions of the present Treaty.
Just in case it's not obvious I've basically taken a copy of the Washington Navel Treaty and modified it to fit Mass Effect. This is basically my suggestion for a replacement to the existing Treaty of Farixen.
What I did instead:
DRAFT REVISION OF THE CONFERENCE ON THE LIMITATION OF ARMAMENT
FARIXEN
JULY 1 2074-
Treaty Between the Asari Republics, the Turian Hierarchy, the Salarian Union, and the Council Associate Races, Signed at Farixen,
FARIXEN
JULY 1 2074-
Treaty Between the Asari Republics, the Turian Hierarchy, the Salarian Union, and the Council Associate Races, Signed at Farixen,
The Asari Republics, Turian Hierarchy, Salarian Union, and The Council Associate Races:
Desiring to contribute to the maintenance of the general peace, and to reduce the burdens of competition in armament;
Have resolved, with a view to accomplishing these purposes, to conclude a treaty to limit their respective naval armament, and to that end have appointed as their Plenipotentiaries;
Citizens of the Asari Republics:
Councilor Tevos
Matriarch Lidanya
Matriarch Benezia
Matriarch Lidanya
Matriarch Benezia
Primarch Fedorian of the Turian Hierarchy:
Councilor Sparatus
General Adrien Victus
Orinia
General Adrien Victus
Orinia
Dalatrass Linron of the Salarian Union:
Councilor Valaren
Dalatrass Esheel
Padok Wiks
Dalatrass Esheel
Padok Wiks
Council Associate Races:
For the Vol Protectorate
Din Korlack
For the Courts of DekuunaCalyn
For the Illuminated PrimacyZymandis
For the Systems AllianceDonnel Udina
Who, having communicated to each other their respective full powers, found to be in good and due form, have agreed as follows:
CHAPTER I.-GENERAL PROVISIONS RELATING TO THE LIMITATION OF NAVAL ARMAMENT
Article I
Article I
The Contracting Powers agree to limit their respective naval armament as provided in the present Treaty.
Article II
The Contracting Powers, excepting the Turian Hierarchy, shall restrict their capital ship building programs such that their total capital ship count shall not exceed, for the Asari Republics 60% (sixty percent) of the Turian Hierarcy's count; for the Salarian Union 60% (sixty percent) of the Turian Hierarcy's count; Citadel Associate Races 20% (twenty percent) of the Turian Hierarcy's count.
In case of loss or accidental destruction of capital ships belonging to the Turian Hierarchy the count shall be suspended at the previous value until lost ships are replaced.
Article III
Capital ships in excess to the numbers allowed under the provisions of Article II shall be scrapped as prescribed in Chapter II, Part 1. Scrapping shall commence with the most recent ship and progress in reverse chronological order until all excess ships have been scrapped.
Article IV
Upon reaching the maximum capital ship count allowed under Article II, the Contracting Powers shall abandon their respective capital ship building programs, and no new capital ships shall be constructed or acquired by any of the Contracting Powers, except replacement ships which may be constructed or acquired as specified in Chapter II, Part 2, until such a time that the Contracting Powers are no longer in risk of breaching the provisions laid out in Article II.
Ships which are replaced in accordance with Chapter II, Part 2, shall be disposed of as prescribed in Part 1 of that Chapter.
Article V
No capital ship exceeding the any of the following limitations:
- A peak energy output of all ballistic weapons greater then 1,000,000,000,000,000 joules.
- A peak power output of all ballistic weapons greater then 500,000,000,000,000 watts.
- A peak energy output of all directed energy weapons greater then 5,000,000,000,000 joules
- A peak power output of all direct energy weapons greater then 2,500,000,000,000 watts.
Article VI
No vessel of war of any of the Contracting Powers, hereafter laid down, other than a capital ship, shall exceed any of the following limitations:
- A peak energy output of all ballistic weapons greater then 190,000,000,000,000 joules.
- A peak power output of all ballistic weapons greater then 120,000,000,000,000 watts.
- A peak energy output of all directed energy weapons greater then 100,000,000,000 joules
- A peak power output of all direct energy weapons greater then 65,000,000,000 watts.
Article VII
No ship designated in the present Treaty to be scrapped may be reconverted into a vessel of war.
Article VIII
No preparations shall be made in merchant ships in time of peace for the installation of warlike armaments for the purpose of converting such ships into vessels of war.
Article IX
No vessel of war constructed within the jurisdiction of any of the Contracting Powers for a non-Contracting Power shall exceed the limitations as to armament prescribed by the present Treaty for vessels of a similar type which may be constructed by or for any of the Contracting Powers.
Article X
If the construction of any vessel of war for a non-Contracting Power is undertaken within the jurisdiction of any of the Contracting Powers, such Power shall promptly inform the other Contracting Powers of the date of the signing of the contract and the date on which the hull of the ship is laid; and shall also communicate to them the particulars relating to the ship prescribed in Chapter II, Part 2 Section I (b), (4) and (5).
Article XI
In the event of a Contracting Power being engaged in war, such Power shall not use as a vessel of war any vessel of war which may be under construction within its jurisdiction for any other Power, or which may have been constructed within its jurisdiction for another Power and not delivered.
Article XII
Each of the Contracting Powers undertakes not to dispose by gift, sale or any mode of transfer of any vessel of war in such a manner that such vessel may become a vessel of war in the Navy of any foreign Power.
CHAPTER II.-RULES RELATING TO THE EXECUTION OF THE TREATY-
DEFINITION OF TERMS
DEFINITION OF TERMS
PART 1.-Rules for Scrapping Vessels of War
The following rules shall be observed for the scrapping of vessels of war which are to be disposed of in accordance with Article III.
I. A vessel to be scrapped must be placed in such condition that it cannot be put to combatant use.
II. This result must be finally effected in any one of the following ways:
(a) Breaking the vessel up. This shall always involve the destruction or removal of all machinery, reactors and armour, and all deck, side and bottom plating;
(b) Converting the vessel to target use exclusively. In such case all the provisions of paragraph III of this Part, except sub-paragraph (6), in so far as may be necessary to enable the ship to be used as a mobile target, and except sub-paragraph (7), must be previously complied with. Not more than one capital ship may be retained for this purpose at one time by any of the Contracting Powers.
(b) Converting the vessel to target use exclusively. In such case all the provisions of paragraph III of this Part, except sub-paragraph (6), in so far as may be necessary to enable the ship to be used as a mobile target, and except sub-paragraph (7), must be previously complied with. Not more than one capital ship may be retained for this purpose at one time by any of the Contracting Powers.
III.
(a) When a vessel is due for scrapping, the first stage of scrapping, which consists in rendering a ship incapable of further warlike service, shall be immediately undertaken.
(b) A vessel shall be considered incapable of further warlike service when there shall have been removed and landed, or else destroyed in the ship:
(b) A vessel shall be considered incapable of further warlike service when there shall have been removed and landed, or else destroyed in the ship:
(1) All guns and essential portions of guns, fire-control tops and revolving parts of all barbettes and turrets;
(2) All machinery for working hydraulic or electric mountings;
(3) All fire-control instruments and range-finders;
(4) All ammunition, explosives and mines;
(5) All torpedoes, warheads and torpedo tubes;
and (6) All landing and flying-off platforms and all other aviation accessories.
(2) All machinery for working hydraulic or electric mountings;
(3) All fire-control instruments and range-finders;
(4) All ammunition, explosives and mines;
(5) All torpedoes, warheads and torpedo tubes;
and (6) All landing and flying-off platforms and all other aviation accessories.
IV. The periods in which scrapping of vessels is to be effected are as follows:
(a) In the case of pre-existing vessels to be scrapped under Article III, the work of rendering the vessels incapable of further warlike service, in accordance with paragraph III of this Part, shall be completed within six months from the coming into force of the present Treaty, and the scrapping shall be finally effected within eighteen months from such coming into force.
(b) In the case of all future vessels to be scrapped under Article III, the work of rendering the vessels incapable of further warlike service, in accordance with paragraph III of this Part, shall be completed within six months of notice from relevant enforcement body, and the scrapping shall be finally effected within eighteen months from the receival of such notice.
(c) In the case of vessels to be scrapped under under Article IV, the work of rendering the vessel incapable of further warlike service in accordance with paragraph III of this Part shall be commenced not later than the date of completion of its successor, and shall be finished within six months from the date of such completion. The vessel shall be finally scrapped, in accordance with paragraph II of this Part, within eighteen months from the date of completion of its successor. If, however, the completion of the new vessel be delayed, then the work of rendering the old vessel incapable of further war-like service in accordance with paragraph III of this Part shall be commenced within four years from the laying of the hull of the new vessel, and shall be finished within six months from the date on which such work was commenced, and the old vessel shall be finally scrapped in accordance with paragraph II of this Part within eighteen months from the date when the work of rendering it incapable of further warlike service was commenced.
(b) In the case of all future vessels to be scrapped under Article III, the work of rendering the vessels incapable of further warlike service, in accordance with paragraph III of this Part, shall be completed within six months of notice from relevant enforcement body, and the scrapping shall be finally effected within eighteen months from the receival of such notice.
(c) In the case of vessels to be scrapped under under Article IV, the work of rendering the vessel incapable of further warlike service in accordance with paragraph III of this Part shall be commenced not later than the date of completion of its successor, and shall be finished within six months from the date of such completion. The vessel shall be finally scrapped, in accordance with paragraph II of this Part, within eighteen months from the date of completion of its successor. If, however, the completion of the new vessel be delayed, then the work of rendering the old vessel incapable of further war-like service in accordance with paragraph III of this Part shall be commenced within four years from the laying of the hull of the new vessel, and shall be finished within six months from the date on which such work was commenced, and the old vessel shall be finally scrapped in accordance with paragraph II of this Part within eighteen months from the date when the work of rendering it incapable of further warlike service was commenced.
Part 3.-Replacement
The replacement of capital ships shall take place according to the rules in Section I and the tables in of this Part.
SECTION I.-RULES FOR REPLACEMENT
(a) Capital ships twenty years after the date of their completion may be replaced by new construction, but within the limits prescribed in Article II. The hulls of such new construction may be laid down not earlier than seventeen years from the date of completion of the ship to be replaced, provided, however, that no capital ship shall be laid down until ten years from July 1, 2074.
(b) Each of the Contracting Powers shall communicate promptly to each of the other Contracting Powers the following information:
(b) Each of the Contracting Powers shall communicate promptly to each of the other Contracting Powers the following information:
(1) The names of capital ships to be replaced with new construction;
(2) The date of governmental authorization of replacement ships;
(3) The date of laying the hulls of replacement ships;
(4) The standard displacement in metric tons of each new ship to be laid down, and the principal dimensions, namely, extreme length, extreme width, mean height;
(5) The date of completion of each new ship and its standard displacement in metric tons of each new ship to be laid down, and the principal dimensions, namely, extreme length, extreme width, mean height, at time of completion
(c) In case of loss or accidental destruction of capital ships, they may immediately be replaced by new construction subject to the limits prescribed in Article V and in conformity with the other provisions of the present Treaty, the regular replacement program being deemed to be advanced to that extent.(2) The date of governmental authorization of replacement ships;
(3) The date of laying the hulls of replacement ships;
(4) The standard displacement in metric tons of each new ship to be laid down, and the principal dimensions, namely, extreme length, extreme width, mean height;
(5) The date of completion of each new ship and its standard displacement in metric tons of each new ship to be laid down, and the principal dimensions, namely, extreme length, extreme width, mean height, at time of completion
PART 3.-Definitions
For the purposes of the present Treaty, the following expressions are to be understood in the sense defined in this Part.
CAPITAL SHIP
A capital ship, in the case of ships hereafter built, is defined as a vessel of war with any of the following characteristics:
- A peak energy output of all ballistic weapons greater then 190,000,000,000,000 joules.
- A peak power output of all ballistic weapons greater then 120,000,000,000,000 watts.
- A peak energy output of all directed energy weapons greater then 100,000,000,000 joules
- A peak power output of all direct energy weapons greater then 65,000,000,000 watts.
CHAPTER III.-MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS
Article XIII
Article XIII
If during the term of the present Treaty the requirements of the national security of any Contracting Power in respect of naval defense are, in the opinion of that Power, materially affected by any change of circumstances, the Contracting Powers will, at the request of such Power, meet in conference with a view to the reconsideration of the provisions of the Treaty and its amendment by mutual agreement.
In view of possible technical and scientific developments, the Turian Hierarchy, after consultation with the other Contracting Powers, shall arrange for a conference of all the Contracting Powers which shall convene as soon as possible after the expiration of eight years from the coming into force of the present Treaty to consider what changes, if any, in the Treaty may be necessary to meet such developments.
Article XV
Whenever any Contracting Power shall become engaged in a war which in its opinion affects the naval defence of its national security, such Power may after notice to the other Contracting Powers suspend for the period of hostilities its obligations under the present Treaty other than those under Articles VII and XI, provided that such Power shall notify the other Contracting Powers that the emergency is of such a character as to require such suspension.
The remaining Contracting Powers shall in such case consult together with a view to agreement as to what temporary modifications if any should be made in the Treaty as between themselves. Should such consultation not produce agreement, duly made in accordance with the constitutional methods of the respective Powers, any one of said Contracting Powers may, by giving notice to the other Contracting Powers, suspend for the period of hostilities its obligations under the present Treaty, other than those under Articles VII and XI.
On the cessation of hostilities the Contracting Powers will meet in conference to consider what modifications, if any, should be made in the provisions of the present Treaty.
Just in case it's not obvious I've basically taken a copy of the Washington Navel Treaty and modified it to fit Mass Effect. This is basically my suggestion for a replacement to the existing Treaty of Farixen.
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But shouldn't the system alliance be given a bigger seat on the role of revisioning the treaty?
Since we are likely prove our selves a significant power after we defeat the Batarians
I see it unlikely that they will just give us 25 %
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Reapers have this 'you die' main weapon.
Now, what's going to make more damage: one dreadnaught or 10 frigates?
Arms race: that will just mean - after we start selling and sombody figures out the implications - that there will be another round of talks. Meanwhile we make a bunch of money, expand production capacity and establish a semi-standard galaxy wide (our module tech). If the Reaper threat becomes real ...
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Is it just me or does
Article X
If the construction of any vessel of war for a non-Contracting Power is undertaken within the jurisdiction of any of the Contracting Powers, such Power shall promptly inform the other Contracting Powers of the date of the signing of the contract and the date on which the hull of the ship is laid; and shall also communicate to them the particulars relating to the ship prescribed in Chapter II, Part 2 Section I (b), (4) and (5).
imply that ParSec can build whatever it wants (below the cap on capital ship power levels)
as long as the SA tells the Citadel? After all, we aren't listed as a contracting power, and, since we are clearly a power, or at soon to be a power, we are therefor a non-contracting power. It never says that the SA has to be the one constructing the vessel, so it seems like it would apply.
Article X
If the construction of any vessel of war for a non-Contracting Power is undertaken within the jurisdiction of any of the Contracting Powers, such Power shall promptly inform the other Contracting Powers of the date of the signing of the contract and the date on which the hull of the ship is laid; and shall also communicate to them the particulars relating to the ship prescribed in Chapter II, Part 2 Section I (b), (4) and (5).
imply that ParSec can build whatever it wants (below the cap on capital ship power levels)
as long as the SA tells the Citadel? After all, we aren't listed as a contracting power, and, since we are clearly a power, or at soon to be a power, we are therefor a non-contracting power. It never says that the SA has to be the one constructing the vessel, so it seems like it would apply.
The additional dreadnaught production will be accompanied by additional frigates. They're not going to just build tons of dreadnoughts with no escorts. Also, our continued weapon development will probably force them to confront the possibility of a "'you die' main weapon".
Yes?
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Now witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational
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So is anyone going to actually make a plan? Because it feels like we should at least a rough draft of a few.
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The non-dreadnaughts are not restricted, and depending on doctrine and capabilites, are more versatile, too. And if we can build frigates where 50 of them can kill a Reaper - they are lot faster and easier to build than the big ships.
We can upgrade a lot of new ships galaxy-wide with updated weapon modules, not only SA ones.
We want to become an independent nation? Because that's a non-contracting Power. As stated in this treaty, we could build dreadnaughts to our hearts content, because they would not be the SA one's but ours, and I didn't read a provision for companies. Somehow the treaty assumes that only nations own capital military vessels. Of course, nobody would believe that.