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I think that might go against some Citadel treaties.
Shepard Quest Mk VI, Technological Revolution
- Thread starter Hoyr
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No...? You just have to build some thrusters, put them on a relay and move it. (Political/PR issues may apply.) No research project needed. If someone really wants to they can be super-nerdy and attempt to math out the details of such an op. Usually I ask for a design description for what ever people want to build and treat that as an omake spent to complete the design.
- Location
- U.S.
ok so GTR is still possible. Can we take all the eezo from a relay and compress it down into the size of a arc reactor to power a suit?
I have never officially canonized any omake. I've though about it, but frankly have been to lazy.
It would be nice but as long as the omake helps it is all right.
I beliefe you mentioned once a bonus for omakes. What was it again?
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- Leeds
Not officially, but I think we can consider the Tiger canonised.
Some omakes are canon we just need to see which ones are referenced in the story.
Note that the cost structure of Factory Is as opposed to Factory IIIs are such that it would cost us four times as much in terms of up-front credits and credits per quarter to build 100 Factory Is as opposed to one Factory III. It would also take up 25 times as much ground space, space which needs to be secured and guarded, further increasing the cost to us. That brings something else to mind:
I might have mentioned this before, but I've been sort of assuming that most of our production buildings owe 50% of their current upkeep cost to personnel and the rest to materials (replacement parts for machines, etc), while everything under the "Additional Buildings" heading--Admin buildings, training grounds, etc--owes 90% of its upkeep cost to personnel and only 10% to materials. Sound fair?
If that's the case, we can establish a salary multiplier row that can let us play around with doubling or tripling or x10-ing our entire workforce's salaries. It'll also let @Hoyr give us techs that can reduce our materials cost and see how it affects our bottom line.
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- U.S.
"Thresher Maws? Please I got something better. A gun that fires Wrexs."
-Shepard, musing about life.
Well, the wiki has:
Economically, think something like Space North Korea, where the Alliance is Space South Korea, the Turians are America, the Asari are the EU, and the Salarians are a strange combination of Russia and China, but lead by a methamphetamine addict instead of Putin.
... Either the Batarian Hegemony has been so mismanaged for decades even before the First Contact War that one strong push would've been enough to cause the Hegemony's economy to collapse in on itself or humanity has a bunch of economic, military and diplomatic geniuses to get the Systems Alliance to the point it can directly contend with the galactic major powers, especially on the technological level. Or humanity has been doing a whole lot of reverse engineering with (implicit) consent of the Citadel Council.
Also, Hensa class cruisers get dumped at 20 years of age? Since when does ME technology progress so fast that you need a whole new space frame to fit everything after only 20 years? Or is it that Batarian ship construction and maintenance is so crap that it starts to become uneconomical to keep a shit that old still in service?
I mean, even during the hey days of fast technological progress in naval warfare on Earth a ship still usually served 30 to 40 years at minimum unless sunk, even if a good chunk of that service was as a second or third line combatant.
That said, the wiki does imply some very important things. First, that the Hegemony may have a manpower advantage if it can bring it to bear. Second, it's unlikely to have an advantage in fleet size or construction capacity. Third, the economy of the Batarian Hegemony is small for a polity of its size and poorly organised.
Because of this, while the SA can probably win, even without the Paragon Industries' created technological advantage, it's not going to be an easy victory, and at best it's going to result in a Hegemony that has been forced to give concessions and quite possibly give up a few planets.
- Location
- Somewhere, probably Earth
THE LEVIATHAN OF DIS!
Holy fuck I just did the Batarian Embassy Codes thing in ME3. The Batarians were studying something called the Leviathan of Dis when the Reapers hit. They have a goddamn Reaper Corpse that they're getting all their tech advancements from.
Holy fuck I just did the Batarian Embassy Codes thing in ME3. The Batarians were studying something called the Leviathan of Dis when the Reapers hit. They have a goddamn Reaper Corpse that they're getting all their tech advancements from.
I beliefe you mentioned once a bonus for omakes. What was it again?
Usually it's 50RP, though if a player wants it can be some other bonus (usually twisting the in game winds of fate in someway. Eg one was used to get Jeff to show up at PI and another was spent on Tali showing up in some form. Oh and one was spent on the Virtual aliens showing up in a area were PI will be involved with dealing with them.)
I've added the 50RP unless you where thinking of something else? I usually add it the same time I acknowledge the omake and put it on the front page.
The design ones are usually canon, or mostly so. Oh and Old dogs, New Tricks is pretty much canon plus or minus a detail.
Uhh.... doesn't sound unreasonable. IDK @UberJJK what do you think?
Edit: Did math it offends me very very much! It's a major gain for you guys if you get to work around the slots thing! Basically makes factory 3 pointless.
Okay so the systems Alliance is one of the ones we have better data on:
The SA population is 12-13 billion. About 11.4 billion live on Earth with many more living on small high value "million pop" colonies that have a few million, though sometimes up to a few hundred million, people on them.
As of the first contact war the SA had at least two fleets containing
3 dreadnoughts
~200 other ships assuming about a 1:5 ratio of cruisers to frigates that's:
~33 Crusiers
~165 Frigates
? Carriers
? Corvettes/Support Craft
As of 2183:
6 Dreadnoughts and one half done
1 known carriers
? Number of Cruisers/Frigates in about at 1:5 ratio.
We have 8 listed Cruisers involved in the battle of the citadel all of which died saving the council. It should be noted that the losses indicated in ME3 total up to the total loss of fifth fleet in the battle of the Citadel. First, Third, and Fifth fleets are all missing 1/3 of their ships, however in canon only fifth fleet was deployed to the engagement, which implies that Fifth Fleet was gutted and rebuilt using ships from first, and third. Only enough that's supposedly losses from saving the council only... which is dumb as the Codex lists only 8 cruisers lost... (Bioware and it actions have consequences madness I guess.
) Regardless of course the SA got a seat after that.Quest Assumptions:
Each fleet is lead by a Dreadnought and has a Carrier
Fleets are roughly equal in number
Looking at the videos of the Battle of the Citadel (as much as I consider that a poor source it what we got). Indicates the loss of a cruiser about every two seconds during the short battle with the geth (Making the loss of eight cruisers reasonable). Sovereign/Nazara being able to fire a one hit cruiser kill from each of his "arms" was getting a very similar rate of cruiser killing. In just the time on screen we see we can guess at 25-30 cruisers killed. Considering the fact that the fifth fleet get beaten on the entire time you fight mecha Saren... well that's quite a few. We can also see about 12 cruisers in good condition around Sovereign/Nazara at the end.
I feel thus its not insane to say that each fleet has about 100 Cruisers of various sizes and thus about 500 frigates over 6.5 fleets that's 3,900 ships. I recall doing some better math earlier... but estimating for now. It could be less (I recall my old math having it be less... *shrugs*). For reference after WWII the US had about 1164 combat ships and a total of about 6,768 ships (includes craft for patrol, mine warfare, amphibious actions, and auxiliaries).
Ship building rate is enough to go from one to another over... 16 years (The US did a similar build up in ~6 years).
In quest currently the SA has (using bad lazy linear interpolation):
5 Dreadnoughts and 5 fleets (and is currently not sure about their plans to build more for several reasons)
5 Carriers one per fleet
~250 Crusiers (Of varying sizes)
~1250 Frigates
The Batarians:
Claim a home world population of 15 billion. They also have lots of high value "million pop" colonies. We don't really have good data on any other core worlds they may have. Which as a race that's been space fairing for over two millennia and and change they should have.
Once upon a time they had a full fleet of dreadnoughts and assorted other craft.
These days they tend to only have one or two dreadnoughts active. They do however keep several old ones in mothballs (to a total of 7 with their main guns) and also have a few ex-deadnoughts that lack a spinal cannon. Some of which have been converted to carriers after the SA showed theirs off. Basically it a way of saying we could have our maximum number if we wanted to, but we don't, for reasons... (Technically due to economic sanctions, but the Batarians won't admit that, nor would they admit they can't afford to keep such a fleet active for long.)
Their fleets are similarly gutted, existing in large part on paper, but really being mothballed. As of cutting all ties with the Citadel they claimed a fleet twice the size of the SA. Estimates put the active parts of that fleets at number only a bit higher than the SA. However many ships are dated.
Of course the same estimates would have said that the Batarians would have had a really hard time even updating their older ships; yet they have, so they may have changed quite a few things in the time since they left the Citadel.
Of the top of my head estimates, feel free to indicate errors.
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- Location
- South of North
Hah! Almost forgot I wrote that, but its nice to be mentioned. Good to see this going active again, if I haven't said so already.
Space is neither empty nor safe.
For an active duty ship, exposed to cosmic radiation, micrometeorites, temperature distortions and the structural stresses of running a military rated drive, in addition to the unspecified effects of Relay travel and mundane FTL?
I would not be surprised to find that active duty military ships need to be replaced every couple of decades because the hull is just too fucked up.
As a benchmark, some of the oldest B-52s in service have ~21,000 flight hours.
That's only about 2.3 years of flight time, for a plane that has been in service for 60 years, and spends most of it's time in a hangar.
Or, if you look at submarines?
The USS Los Angeles was considered the oldest sub in US service in 2007; it was decommed 3 years later at 33 years operational age.
Then there was the lead ship of the Soviet Akula class,K-284, which was decommissioned in 2001 at only 17 years of age.
Note that 20 years comes up to 175,200 hours.
Even if your spaceship spends only 50% of it's time on patrol, that's still ~85,000 hours.
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So, some things to note:
1) Batarians practice spacemagic slavery that somehow allows them to at least locally outcompete Alliance. There was this jointly colonized batarian-human planet where alliance-affiliated firms tried to institute indetured servitude because they couldn't compete with batarians without it
2) From a doylist perspective as I understand it, initially the first contact was supposed to be several centuries before the events of the series. The writers were then forced to paper over the issue
3) The big limiting things are eezo and technology. Mars Archives seem to be the largest motherload of at least technology and it wouldn't surprise me if they also contained a lot of refined eezo. Mining them for data is pretty much the reason Alliance can compete in canon, as I understand it.
4) Pretty sure that humans were economically propped up (by asari), while batarians faced centuries of economic pressure.
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- New Zealand
I think the thessia archives are similar but are being accessed by a much smaller group due to having to keep it under wraps for centuries.
Maybe we can ask SA parliament to broker some deals with the Hanar in exchange for making the fleet affordable. That way the Hanar get the fleet and stay stable and the SA gets trade deals or military access or something.
Because as it is, the SA has few real allies, mostly lukewarm going by public perception. Building diplomatic bridges even after an unprovoked attack would improve humanities reputation and the odds of getting a seat on the Council. Certainly something parliament would consider.
Because as it is, the SA has few real allies, mostly lukewarm going by public perception. Building diplomatic bridges even after an unprovoked attack would improve humanities reputation and the odds of getting a seat on the Council. Certainly something parliament would consider.
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- United States
@Hoyr Let's address the elephant.
What will the rest of the Citadel do? Why do you make it sound like it's an Alliance/Batarian war? Shouldn't big three jump to our side?
I get that they wouldn't want to be at the front lines, but shouldn't they at least declare their support? If they don't, then what is the reason behind the treaty of Farixen?
Plus Batarians opened a relay with full knowledge of the consequences. Humans got blitzed for doing much less.
What will the rest of the Citadel do? Why do you make it sound like it's an Alliance/Batarian war? Shouldn't big three jump to our side?
I get that they wouldn't want to be at the front lines, but shouldn't they at least declare their support? If they don't, then what is the reason behind the treaty of Farixen?
Plus Batarians opened a relay with full knowledge of the consequences. Humans got blitzed for doing much less.