Shepard Quest Mk VI, Technological Revolution

we could research the MK 2 legionary however we are bound by contract with HK giving them exclusivity on the legionary armor iirc until 2275 so we couldn't do anything with the mk 2 until the contract runs out. therefore I feel that researching the MK 2 should be left until after the contract runs out or is about to and can start building them ourselves right as the contract runs out


The MK 2 would not be a Legionary, but a Hoplite, or Immortal or whatever. Plus I do not intend to use the MK 2 for the open Market but to bash other non PI Power Armor MK 1 to show our dominance of the field.


It would be basically a completely new armor series (the Legionary can go to the 1.95 or so) meant for inhouse use that are going to absolutely stomp any and all other Power Armor, so that ParSec is the best Power Armor operators in the known Galaxy and trounce any other competitors, and display that PI will absolutely outclass any other competitors when it comes to High Tech.

Outside of movies, when it comes to ground warfare, "Drone better."


Ehh, depends.
 
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We're currently going to try to get it soonish; Though would that be more or less useful than 5 meter mech?

I'm sad that 15m is probably never going to happen, which means I probably never get to go:

"Reactor, Online
Sensors, Online
Weapons, Online
All systems nominal."

I just realised, the last updates are titled "Cloudy skies", then "Wind", "Rain" and "Lightning".

We may have fucked up.

Hey your the first person to notice, or at least say something. I was wondering. Next one is "Thunder" :).

I did like that "Lightning" was the research one.

The fact is that we haven't statted out the Legionary in combat stats, so comparisons are always going to be vague and fairly meaningless at this stage.

The following is all arbitrary numbers I use for combat analysis.
Legionary 1.75b Generic Load out with Guardian Angel units:
Kinetic: 70
Laser: 0
Missile: 120
AMS: 200
Evasion: 15%
Shields: 300
Endurance: 30
Mobility: 25

SA Infantry
Kinetic: 10
Laser: 0
Missile: 0
AMS: 0
Evasion: 5%
Shields: 5
Endurance: 5
Mobility: 5

What's a Mk II got? Hell if I know, Mk II is such a general thing I'd be writing out stats for a while.

we could research the MK 2 legionary however we are bound by contract with HK giving them exclusivity on the legionary armor iirc until 2275 so we couldn't do anything with the mk 2 until the contract runs out. therefore I feel that researching the MK 2 should be left until after the contract runs out or is about to and can start building them ourselves right as the contract runs out

Mk II stuff is different enough assuming you don't make some thing that's a Legionary clone that you could sell. The bigger one is the CHA don't compete agreement that covers all fighter/bomber types.

something that should be done next build turn is several lab 3 complexes to increase our rp pool

I've limited the growth rate on that to avoid running out the tech tree to soon.
 
I'm sad that 15m is probably never going to happen, which means I probably never get to go:

"Reactor, Online
Sensors, Online
Weapons, Online
All systems nominal."

Goliath from SC1?

We should totally build some more lab 3s and hire more research crews so we can get ALL THE RESEARCH.

Our income seems high enough to grow even moar.
 
Well for one thing our PI Ships have been stated by WOG to already be far superior to anything everyone else has and unlike the MK 1 armor they are recent enough that the other races haven't even be able to try to catch up yet.
Now that I'm not tapping on a phone, I can offer a little more detail here. According to @Hoyr's numbers, our Pyndas have an effective range of ~16-25 thousand km. Depending on how fast MAC rounds are, this may not be outside the effective range of an enemy warship, even if our lasers will be super-effective if and when we do close on the enemy. More importantly, however, we are exactly one stolen tech--low-gigawatt lasers--away from the Salarians leap-frogging us in laser tech, since they already have and use UV lasers in the field, and it's a tech that is in fact vulnerable to being stolen, given that we started producing it before Flawless Blackboxing became available. We urgently need to keep pushing space tech, since in this area we've just barely begun to pass everyone else's state of the art, and the gains we've made so far are easily reversible.

Compare this to our suits, where half the techs that H&K are just now starting to install in the new 1.75b versions of the Legionary did not exist when the suit was first placed on the market three years ago. We are just starting to deploy drones in combat (and thus just starting to actually use that Electronic Warfare/Improved Intelligence VI that we've theoretically had access to all this time) and for that matter the Tiger itself is only a year old at this point (and already getting an upgrade thanks to Superalloys). Everyone else is still desperately trying to catch up to where we were, three years ago. Our ground game is fine.

I'm sad that 15m is probably never going to happen, which means I probably never get to go:

"Reactor, Online
Sensors, Online
Weapons, Online
All systems nominal."
Hey, it's not our fault that mechs larger than 5 meters offer nothing over larger tanks, and even that's only useful so we can make a VERONICA/Hulkbuster variant.

Mk II stuff is different enough assuming you don't make some thing that's a Legionary clone that you could sell. The bigger one is the CHA don't compete agreement that covers all fighter/bomber types.
All the same, it'd be kind of a dick move to drop the Mark II armor before even the initial five year contract period. Worse, it would discourage other companies from making deals with us in the future, since everyone will know that in a couple of years we'll just stab them in the back.

I've limited the growth rate on that to avoid running out the tech tree to soon.
Aw, that's no problem; we just need more research heroes! Co-develop all the shielding techs, so we have Singularity-reactive, Silaris-impregnated, Plasma shields around everything! :D
 
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Eh if it's somewhere like a city or a place with highly uneven terrain it'll be more agile, plus the ability to reorient easily.
Except that they're even worse in cities than tanks are. Knee joints, ankle joints, elevated view point (easier to hide from), bigger target. 'Course, they have an easier time of shooting at elevated targets, i guess...
 

Nah Battletech/Mechwarrior. Most of the mechs IIRC are in the 10-15m range for that setting.

Depending on how fast MAC rounds are, this may not be outside the effective range of an enemy warship, even if our lasers will be super-effective if and when we do close on the enemy.

It's in the effective range if not a part with good odds especially vs frigates.

Hey, it's not our fault that mechs larger than 5 meters offer nothing over larger tanks, and even that's only useful so we can make a VERONICA/Hulkbuster variant.

I know.

All the same, it'd be kind of a dick move to drop the Mark II armor before even the initial five year contract period. Worse, it would discourage other companies from making deals with us in the future, since everyone will know that in a couple of years we'll just stab them in the back.

You being dicks or not is something I won't stand much in the way of, breaking laws/deals/agreement I'll at least point out first.
 
It's in the effective range if not a part with good odds especially vs frigates.
All the more reason to pick up miniaturized energy weapons, high-GW lasers, and UV lasers, so we can be definitively out of range. Hell, even without X-ray lasers I think we can line up a kill shot from a full light second away; that's just awesome.
 
All the same, it'd be kind of a dick move to drop the Mark II armor before even the initial five year contract period. Worse, it would discourage other companies from making deals with us in the future, since everyone will know that in a couple of years we'll just stab them in the back.

We don't have to sell the armor until then and can have them for our own and our soldiers use. Besides if we only started selling them once the war with the Batarian breaks out it can't be seen as a dick move if we are our giving our side the biggest advantage we can.
 
Outside of movies, when it comes to ground warfare, "Drone better."

This is something that needs to be remembered when people talk about needing better suits. Drones will basically always be the better option because of mass production.

After all going by earlier estimates the Alliance military only has about 12 million people in total. We can pretty easily get ParSec into the millions of drones within a couple quarters of relatively minor effort. Even if one drone doesn't match one soldier we could drown almost any army we face in drones.

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And of course unlike any army other then the Geth, and possibly the Batarian slave armies, we can easily afford massive losses since they can be replaced by the next quarter.
 
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As long as the Drones don't get hacked and pwned via Reapers.

We should work on fixing that flaw.

Assuming it still exists.
Why do you think we spent so much time and effort on Blackboxing and QECs? Blackboxing to make our drones hard to hack to start with (Swarm Networking should help with this too), and putting a QEC-based kill/return-to-base switch in all our drones should be easy to do, even if the bandwidth is too low to put in more detailed comms.
 
This is something that needs to be remembered when people talk about needing better suits. Drones will basically always be the better option because of mass production.

After all going by earlier estimates the Alliance military only has about 12 million people in total. We can pretty easily get ParSec into the millions of drones within a couple quarters of relatively minor effort. Even if one drone doesn't match one soldier we could drown almost any army we face in drones.

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And of course unlike any army other then the Geth, and possibly the Batarian slave armies, we can easily afford massive losses since they can be replaced by the next quarter.

I seem to remember Revy curbstomping a small army of drones with one of her earlier suits before even training to properly use it so it is safe to assume that the suits are still massively superior to drones. There is no reason we can't just use both armored soldiers backed by drones. Also with armored soldiers it would be easier to lower casualties against the slaves who are going to forced int fighting.
 
We have so many more useful things to invest in, though, that it's hard to justify.

Miniaturized energy weapons let us build man portable GARDIAN-grade laser weapons.


Advanced xeno should give us access to blue box AIs, which should in turn either give a straight research boost, or give us Cortana the research hero.

UV lasers will let us flat out outrange MACs, while high GW lasers can combine with mini DEWs do we can put 100+ GW lasers in our 100m frigates.

The Mark II just doesn't make sense right now.
This is quite arguable. Development of Mk 2 would allow us to integrate newest research into our armors effectively, which we can't do now, by WoG. This is important, as it means that any and all other research projects we do get additional application, increasing their efficiency.
 
I seem to remember Revy curbstomping a small army of drones with one of her earlier suits before even training to properly use it so it is safe to assume that the suits are still massively superior to drones. There is no reason we can't just use both armored soldiers backed by drones. Also with armored soldiers it would be easier to lower casualties against the slaves who are going to forced int fighting.

That was a bunch of gun drones and LOKIs.

The former was completely useless since their guns had no hope of penetrating a Legionary's shields, Accipiters use Repulsors which shred shields really fast, and the latter were LOKIs, enough said.

As for slaves, armored soldiers are very much not the answer. See soldiers are putting their lives on the line so they can't afford to take risky actions to save lives. Drones however are disposable so risking them to save the lives of enemy slaves is fine. In fact I even designed a drone, the Tribulus, for safely taking down slaves, we're building 5,000 this quarter, for ParSec.

Something else worth noting is that Legionaries can be operated as drones. They aren't as good as dedicated drones since they are designed with human pilots in mind but it's still quite valid.
 
This is quite arguable. Development of Mk 2 would allow us to integrate newest research into our armors effectively, which we can't do now, by WoG. This is important, as it means that any and all other research projects we do get additional application, increasing their efficiency.
I'm not saying that we never will; I'm just saying there's no good reason to do so before we get the core Cabira techs, advanced xeno, swarm networking for additional drone security, and possibly blue box AIs if we can finagle the license. After those, the Mark II is next on the list for certain, followed by Singularity MACs and Repulsor GARDIANs.
 
That was a bunch of gun drones and LOKIs.

The former was completely useless since their guns had no hope of penetrating a Legionary's shields, Accipiters use Repulsors which shred shields really fast, and the latter were LOKIs, enough said.

As for slaves, armored soldiers are very much not the answer. See soldiers are putting their lives on the line so they can't afford to take risky actions to save lives. Drones however are disposable so risking them to save the lives of enemy slaves is fine. In fact I even designed a drone, the Tribulus, for safely taking down slaves, we're building 5,000 this quarter, for ParSec.

Something else worth noting is that Legionaries can be operated as drones. They aren't as good as dedicated drones since they are designed with human pilots in mind but it's still quite valid.

The thing is drones tend to lack mobility, dexterity, skills and reaction times of humans making soldiers better than drones at certain things while drones allows one to drown the enemy in numbers with both having advantages hence why it makes sense to use both.

Why do you think we spent so much time and effort on Blackboxing and QECs? Blackboxing to make our drones hard to hack to start with (Swarm Networking should help with this too), and putting a QEC-based kill/return-to-base switch in all our drones should be easy to do, even if the bandwidth is too low to put in more detailed comms.

I seem to remember Hoyd mentioning something about Blackboxing drones being impractical. There also the fact that heavily relying on drones is a bad idea considering the fact that Blackboxing won't stop the Reapers from hacking PI tech.
 
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