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Shepard Quest Mk VI, Technological Revolution

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[3] Heterosexual (Dating Brian has just proven the point)
[2] Bisexual (Why not both?)
[5] Homosexual (Having dated a guy you can definitely say they're not for you)
[1] Asexual (Tried dating, prefer science)
[4] Still thinking about it
 
[1] Heterosexual (Dating Brian has just proven the point)
[2] Bisexual (Why not both?)
[3] Homosexual (Having dated a guy you can definitely say they're not for you)
[4] Asexual (Tried dating, prefer science)
[5] Still thinking about it

Eh, why not, it's been forever since I voted for something on this and it doesn't involve terrifyingly large plans!
 
o_O So~ you apparently are commenting that bisexual doesn't count as gay? Yes, yes, homosexuality being specifically targeted at members of the same gender only; as opposed to be equal opportunity male and female love interests. Sides... apparently, 'cording to EA, being interested in an Asari (sp?) doesn't mean bi or gay for females... its some sort of metro-pan-plant sexuality that is described as third gender interests... whatever that is.

Frankly, I don't have :turian:"preferences":turian: when fictional characters are concerned. My only requests in that regard is no slashfic porn. I don't have any problems with men liking men; I just don't need, or want, to see them going at it. And yes, I know that this quest isn't likely to show that... hence my statement, no preferences. But, If Revy is going to have a identity issue over whom she likes. Frankly we haven't done more than a few awkward moments hanging out with Brian. I may be miss-remembering, but I don't think we've even kissed him. So, the clearest we can say is that we're still thinking about it. IF we're really needing to call it. If we're really feeling something for Liaria (sp?) and we think that there could, eventually be something between us and Brian... then our best bet is simply bi. While Liaria means we're covering third gender rather than female, the predominantly feminine personalities would still be the same as liking females. So, it'd just be easier to call it Bi. Then later realize it was just because Liaria was Asari that we were interested in her, if we choice not to 'actually' like other females later on.
 
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Khaos said:
{4} Heterosexual (Dating Brian has just proven the point)
{2} Bisexual (Why not both?)
{1} Homosexual (Having dated a guy you can definitely say they're not for you)
{5} Asexual (Tried dating, prefer science)
{3} Still thinking about it
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You have to use []'s, not {}'s
 
Datakim said:
@Kinematics, does the program have a way of showing scores or such for ranked votes? For example, right now I don't think theres any simple way to tell by how much the winning option is leading. It could be that the runners up are one vote away from winning, or that the winning vote is utterly crushing all other options. Is there any inbuilt way to tell?
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Unfortunately, it doesn't quite work that way. There's no explicit ranking. Unpreferred options are removed until a preferred option reaches a majority, and you don't know what that will be without knowing what unpreferred options are in a position such that removing them will promote a sufficient number of preferred options to the top.

It's not just about which votes have the higher net rankings; it's also about which voters have their preferred options eliminated because it's a more overall disliked option, bringing their mid-tier votes to the top.

You can kind of get an idea of how strongly the winning vote is positioned by looking at the votes for it (will put the current results below). Bisexual has 11 out of (now) 35 first-place votes, and 20 second-place votes. Then another 4 votes for third through fifth place. So it has a decent first-place showing, and a very strong second-place showing, with almost no one really disliking it.

I guess I can set it to show the vote ranks for the second and third place winners, so you can compare. That can get a little bit messy when dealing with multiple tasks, but I guess it's no worse than normal voting.

Note: I made a tweak for this so that it would show the fourth-place vote as well (just due to the nature of this particular vote), rather than only the top three. I'll have to see if I want to make that a permanent thing.


Vote Tally : Shepard Quest Mk VI, Technological Revolution | Page 281 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.1.11

Options:
Asexual (Tried dating, prefer science)
Bisexual (Why not both?)
Heterosexual (Dating Brian has just proven the point)
Homosexual (Having dated a guy you can definitely say they're not for you)
Still thinking about it

Winner: Bisexual (Why not both?)
[1] Aranfan
[1] GulibleLeprecon
[1] HanEmpire
[1] Kelirapc
[1] Kerfirou
[1] Portec
[1] Starseeker
[1] SwiftRosenthal
[1] Tetsurou
[1] useofstrike32
[1] wolfzoid
[2] aceraptor
[2] Aeondrac
[2] Alanek
[2] Amberion
[2] Cassiemouse
[2] CatScannerDarkly
[2] Chargone
[2] Datakim
[2] Frosty Wolf
[2] kitsune9
[2] kylina
[2] Massgamer
[2] meianmaru
[2] SETIFAN
[2] Solitare
[2] Sylvire
[2] tyaty1
[2] whydoesitmatter
[2] XenonPrime
[2] Yog
[3] Dark Ness
[3] Katreus
[4] undead frog
[5] Lazurman

First Runner Up: Homosexual (Having dated a guy you can definitely say they're not for you)
[1] Aeondrac
[1] Cassiemouse
[1] CatScannerDarkly
[1] Dark Ness
[1] Datakim
[1] Frosty Wolf
[1] Katreus
[1] kitsune9
[1] kylina
[1] Solitare
[1] Sylvire
[1] whydoesitmatter
[2] Kelirapc
[2] SwiftRosenthal
[3] Amberion
[3] Starseeker
[3] tyaty1
[3] XenonPrime
[4] Alanek
[4] HanEmpire
[4] Lazurman
[4] Portec
[4] SETIFAN
[5] aceraptor
[5] Chargone
[5] GulibleLeprecon
[5] Kerfirou
[5] Massgamer
[5] meianmaru
[5] Tetsurou
[5] undead frog
[5] wolfzoid
[5] Yog

Second Runner Up: Still thinking about it
[1] Lazurman
[2] Aranfan
[2] Dark Ness
[2] useofstrike32
[3] Aeondrac
[3] Cassiemouse
[3] CatScannerDarkly
[3] Chargone
[3] Datakim
[3] Frosty Wolf
[3] Kelirapc
[3] Kerfirou
[3] kitsune9
[3] SETIFAN
[3] Solitare
[3] Sylvire
[3] Tetsurou
[3] undead frog
[3] whydoesitmatter
[3] wolfzoid
[3] Yog
[4] aceraptor
[4] GulibleLeprecon
[4] Katreus
[4] kylina
[4] Massgamer
[4] meianmaru
[4] SwiftRosenthal
[4] tyaty1
[5] Alanek
[5] Amberion
[5] HanEmpire
[5] Portec
[5] Starseeker
[5] XenonPrime

Other: Heterosexual (Dating Brian has just proven the point)
[1] aceraptor
[1] Alanek
[1] Amberion
[1] Massgamer
[1] tyaty1
[1] undead frog
[1] XenonPrime
[2] GulibleLeprecon
[2] Kerfirou
[2] Starseeker
[2] Tetsurou
[3] HanEmpire
[3] Lazurman
[3] meianmaru
[3] Portec
[3] SwiftRosenthal
[4] Aeondrac
[4] Cassiemouse
[4] Chargone
[4] Datakim
[4] Frosty Wolf
[4] Kelirapc
[4] SETIFAN
[4] Sylvire
[4] whydoesitmatter
[4] wolfzoid
[4] Yog
[5] CatScannerDarkly
[5] Katreus
[5] kitsune9
[5] Solitare


Total No. of Voters: 35
 
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Hoyr said:
Your welcome then. You have to understand these are the Salarians. Well know for information and fighting wars by winning them before they start. I'd bet good money that the STG has be trying it damnedest to get data on the Geth for years to manage the situation. Maybe that's part of why the Council didn't panic and invade the Perseus Vale (sp?) when the Geth attacked the first time? In addition to the whole it's near the Terminus thing.
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If the STG has been collecting data on the Geth for the past three centuries, it boggles the mind that they aren't partnering with the Quarians on Geth research, something that's clearly not happening in canon. And, if this is happening in this universe, we want in!

Hoyr said:
In addition for the AI isn't the solution, part of the argument. You'd have to make a Geth network at a minimum to try to finure anything out about the Geth, though you'd still be missing their entire cultural history. Just making a new AI is about as useful as asking a Krogan how to to discuss things with a Hanar.
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Well, I admit that one thing I do want to try is capturing and interrogating a Geth mobile platform, but the point of creating AI for the purpose of practicing AI diplomacy isn't to get information specifically on the Geth, but rather to figure out different ways of thinking about diplomacy using the unique insights that an AI can give.

Hoyr said:
Ultimately the Geth are the sort of problem you can't "solve", diplomacy isn't an option the other side will not talk. War will just make them in a horde of Von Neumann Autowars. You could try a strategic annihilation, but it has to work the first time and well yeah. WMD. You just have to take a deep breath, realize you can't fix it, and then make sure your actions won't make it work.
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That's not true for multiple reasons:
  1. We already know that the Geth can change their goals: they've done it twice already, that we've seen. On one hand, this makes them even more frightening than most AI: a perfectly rational actor should not be able to change its own goals like this, should not even be able to desire to change its own goals, which is a strong indication that the Geth are not a perfectly rational AI. On the other hand, it is perfectly possible that their goals can and will change their goals again, this time in a way that will allow diplomacy a chance at success.
  2. If we just leave the situation to fester, then war is inevitable, and given that the thing we are proposing to war against is an infinitely exponentially replicating, sapient Von Neumann Swarm, the longer you put off that war the more un-winnable it becomes.
  3. (OOC): We know the Geth are monitoring the extranet, and the reason they are so militantly anti-diplomacy is because of the rampant and rabid general anti-AI and specifically anti-Geth groupthink, making them believe that diplomacy is a waste of time on their side.
  4. (IC): None of the previous diplomatic approaches have worked because, frankly, none of the traditional Council races are capable of approaching the Geth as neutral arbiters. The Council reacted to the Geth revolution for existence and self-determination by committing genocide on all other currently living AI races. On the other hand, the Geth, given the opportunity of ending the Quarian threat to their existence, declined to commit the exact same war crime that the Council eagerly committed. Frankly, a truly neutral arbiter would be siding with the Geth, and the diplomat assigned to open negotiations with the Geth should be doing so in the context of deciding what concessions and reparations are owed to them from the Council, in exchange for a neutral diplomatic arrangement. I'm willing to bet that most of the so-called diplomats that were sent were acting more in context of what the Geth would have to do for the Council, which would have stuck in their craw much in the way that it would have stuck in humanity's craw if the Council would have demanded concessions from us for the Turian aggression in "the Relay 314 incident". In this context, a human diplomat might be more sympathetic, given our own past grievances with the Council.
Hoyr said:
Edit: Actually part of me was tempted to suggest that you don't give text for the Salarian Councilor, let me do it.
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I'm open to this idea. Might need to brush up on my AI philosophy, though.

Kinematics said:
I guess I can set it to show the vote ranks for the second and third place winners, so you can compare. That can get a little bit messy when dealing with multiple tasks, but I guess it's no worse than normal voting.
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What tallying process are you using? Are you going through the tally, successively eliminating last-place votes? Maybe the tally should then show that, something like:

First choice eliminated: Asexual
Votes: [...]

Second Choice eliminated: [...]

Winner: Bisexual
Votes: [...]
 
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[1] Homosexual (Having dated a guy you can definitely say they're not for you)
[2]Bisexual (Why not both?)
[3] Heterosexual (Dating Brian has just proven the point)
[4]Asexual (Tried dating, prefer science)
[5] Still thinking about it
 
TheEyes said:
What tallying process are you using? Are you going through the tally, successively eliminating last-place votes?
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It's primarily Coombs' modification to the Instant Runoff method, which is basically as you describe. To get second and third place, previous winners are eliminated, and the entire calculation is re-run.

Showing the entire process gets a bit convoluted; even more so if you want the votes at each stage. I can probably list the sequence of eliminations, though it will take a bit of work to get the data up to the display level. I'm also not sure how useful that will be, other than as a curiosity.
 
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aceraptor said:
No thanks on lesbian Shepard. Seen way too much of that. I want to see a heterosexual Shepard for once.
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Then vote for that. I can't say that I much care either way at the moment; right now the only real characters we've seen developed at all are a few of our employees, Liara, Brian, Kasumi, Revy's parents, and a few of the upper brass in the Alliance Military, and of them Liara is the only one available. That situation is not going to change for the next 2 quarters at least: right now we're basically hunkered down on Mindoir until we can build a starship powerful enough to let us travel without the threat of space AKs. Romance is just not a priority right now.
 
[1] Homosexual (Having dated a guy you can definitely say they're not for you)
[2]Bisexual (Why not both?)
[3] Heterosexual (Dating Brian has just proven the point)
[4]Asexual (Tried dating, prefer science)
[5] Still thinking about it
 
Kinematics said:
I can probably list the sequence of eliminations, though it will take a bit of work to get the data up to the display level. I'm also not sure how useful that will be, other than as a curiosity.
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Thank you. Also, I can see it being useful if you want to do a blend (as was suggested, but the GM said no) or if you want to incorporate losing votes with more emphasis placed on those that get the most votes.
 
Hoyr said:
Ultimately the Geth are the sort of problem you can't "solve", diplomacy isn't an option the other side will not talk. War will just make them in a horde of Von Neumann Autowars. You could try a strategic annihilation, but it has to work the first time and well yeah. WMD. You just have to take a deep breath, realize you can't fix it, and then make sure your actions won't make it work.
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Virus, memetic threat, relay destruction? Creation of counter-Geth who can infiltrate Geth and see destruction of their normal brethren as the best thing ever? Von Neumann Autowars are overestimated. Yes, exponent beats everything eventually - but it is a matter of a proper blitzkrieg and tech superiority.

I also kind of don't understand why is Council so afraid of AIs specifically. Only one serious threat to Citadel as a whole was AI-based, and among these three it was the least threatening. At the same time two out of three treats were networking. A race of creatures incapable of seeing value of individual life might be incompatible with galactic society. But it seems that a single AI with limited treads and no procreation instinct shouldn't be so much of a problem.
 
[1] Homosexual (Having dated a guy you can definitely say they're not for you)
[2]Asexual (Tried dating, prefer science)
[3] Heterosexual (Dating Brian has just proven the point)
[4] Still thinking about it
[5]Bisexual (Why not both?)
 
[1] Homosexual (Having dated a guy you can definitely say they're not for you)
[2] Bisexual (Why not both?)
[3] Heterosexual (Dating Brian has just proven the point)
[5] Asexual (Tried dating, prefer science)
[4] Still thinking about it
 
[1] Homosexual (Having dated a guy you can definitely say they're not for you)
[2] Bisexual (Why not both?)
[3] Heterosexual (Dating Brian has just proven the point)
[5] Asexual (Tried dating, prefer science)
[4] Still thinking about it
 
@Hoyr: do the two Block upgrades include Repulsor engines, or does that require too much of a redesign? Or is it something in-between, with maneuvering thrusters being replaceable but main engines requiring a full rebuild?
 
[1] Heterosexual (Dating Brian has just proven the point)
[2] Asexual (Tried dating, prefer science)
[3] Still thinking about it
[4] Bisexual (Why not both?)
[5] Homosexual (Having dated a guy you can definitely say they're not for you)
 
[5] Heterosexual (Dating Brian has just proven the point)
[2] Bisexual (Why not both?)
[1] Homosexual (Having dated a guy you can definitely say they're not for you)
[4] Asexual (Tried dating, prefer science)
[3] Still thinking about it
 
[1] Homosexual (Having dated a guy you can definitely say they're not for you)
[2]Bisexual (Why not both?)
[3] Heterosexual (Dating Brian has just proven the point)
[4]Asexual (Tried dating, prefer science)
[5] Still thinking about it
 
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