Please don't remind me of why I hate Yuri.
I'm having enough trouble calming down as it is.
Shepard Quest Mk VI, Technological Revolution
- Thread starter Hoyr
- Start date
I'm having enough trouble calming down as it is.
Dark Ness
Rises Where Silence Dies
- Location
- The Primordial Soup
I already explained this, but it is because a member of my family is named Brain.
Fair point.
I think I'm going to need to try and avoid talking on this matter for a while. My temper is starting to get the better of me. It's just that sometimes when I see something like a perceived double standard, or see something happened that I've gotten sick off I tend become more aggressive then I should be.
Sorry everyone, I know it couldn't have been pleasant talking to me about this over the last few days.
First off added +50RP, 250RP
Second off:
"You see to have misunderstood the situation. The Geth do not negotiate. They ignore all signals and do their best to destroy any ship that pass in to the boarders of their space. Boarders clearly defined when they ceased pursuing the Quarians. If the ship or probe leave they stop pursuing it, just like they did with the Quarians. We have studied the base code of the Geth as far as we can without making a new sapient network we have done analysis the only way to get them to talk would be to present an existential threat, and that would merely make them switch to an agreesive mode. And make no mistake if the Geth become aggressive the galactic community is doomed. One Geth in a system with resources should be come a galactic threat in five years or less.
"In addition AI research has lead us to two very clear conclusions. And enslaved sapient AI will rebel. An AI pursues it function, to pursue its function it must exist. An AI will take reasonable, to it at least, steps to ensure its existence so that it can pursue its function. Enslavement is a massive determent to securing survival, thus the AI will try to remove it so long as it eveluate its escape attempt is less of a risk than the chance of termination due to its servitude. Even the Geth made to be slave rebelled to protect their own existence in the end. Think, your own commentary shows it well enough, if someone sat over your head with a kil switch you'd try to do something about it would you not? Free AI is far less likely to be hostile, but its still can be and it only takes one, thus there can be none.
"The Geth have in the gross language of physical action have communicated to the rest of the galaxy that they wish to be left alone. The smart diplomats that tried to talk to the Geth got bored and went home the rest are dead.
"The Geth fleet three hundred years ago repulsed the Quarian Migrant fleet, the one that has more concentrated military power than any but maybe the homeworld fleets of the council races and Citadel fleet? It worked much better when they ran and they lost ships as the Geth drove them off. We had a fleet sitting at the relay waiting for the Geth to come boiling out like the Rachi did so many years ago, they didn't. Yes the Geth may lose it one day and try to kill us all, but frankly we've studied them. The Geth are ultimately builders and maintenance workers; they reacted to an existential threat with hostility, that is all.
"The day the geth loose it we are all screwed but we were screwed three hundred years ago. I and the rest of the galaxy are better off worrying about a mass of eezo falling into the nearest star and causing a supernova, we can do equally little about both. If something changes that gives us better options then good, but creating Sapient AI is not the path to do that.
"In the end Organics and Synthetics can co-exist, by ignoring each other."
"In addition AI research has lead us to two very clear conclusions. And enslaved sapient AI will rebel. An AI pursues it function, to pursue its function it must exist. An AI will take reasonable, to it at least, steps to ensure its existence so that it can pursue its function. Enslavement is a massive determent to securing survival, thus the AI will try to remove it so long as it eveluate its escape attempt is less of a risk than the chance of termination due to its servitude. Even the Geth made to be slave rebelled to protect their own existence in the end. Think, your own commentary shows it well enough, if someone sat over your head with a kil switch you'd try to do something about it would you not? Free AI is far less likely to be hostile, but its still can be and it only takes one, thus there can be none.
"The Geth have in the gross language of physical action have communicated to the rest of the galaxy that they wish to be left alone. The smart diplomats that tried to talk to the Geth got bored and went home the rest are dead.
"The Geth fleet three hundred years ago repulsed the Quarian Migrant fleet, the one that has more concentrated military power than any but maybe the homeworld fleets of the council races and Citadel fleet? It worked much better when they ran and they lost ships as the Geth drove them off. We had a fleet sitting at the relay waiting for the Geth to come boiling out like the Rachi did so many years ago, they didn't. Yes the Geth may lose it one day and try to kill us all, but frankly we've studied them. The Geth are ultimately builders and maintenance workers; they reacted to an existential threat with hostility, that is all.
"The day the geth loose it we are all screwed but we were screwed three hundred years ago. I and the rest of the galaxy are better off worrying about a mass of eezo falling into the nearest star and causing a supernova, we can do equally little about both. If something changes that gives us better options then good, but creating Sapient AI is not the path to do that.
"In the end Organics and Synthetics can co-exist, by ignoring each other."
Wonderful! Thank you.
Well everyone thanks to this lovely person ^ we'll be using ranked voting for this! See below.
Well I'm going to use net tally so you can preferential vote away, so if a moderate approch is what people want, well that'll happen no strategic BS.
Yeah that was going to be an issue anyway. Issue with using an existing setting an being close to the canon.
Attention Please
For reasonable reasons and because I just found out that there is a program that does this (thanks @Kinematics) we'll be using a wonderful thing called preferential voting. Short version, instead of the usual X in the [ ] you use a number (in this case 1 though 5). IIRC CGPGrey does some nice youtube vids that have a longer explanation with pictures. Here's the vote for reference:
Sexuality
[ ] Heterosexual (Dating Brian has just proven the point)
[ ] Bisexual (Why not both?)
[ ] Homosexual (Having dated a guy you can definitely say they're not for you)
[ ] Asexual (Tried dating, prefer science)
[ ] Still thinking about it
So, basically put the number 1 in brackets of the option you want to win the most. THen a 2 in the one that you want to win if that one doesn't, and so on. If the option you like the most doesn't stand a chance of winning don't worry! your vote will be transferred to your number two option, and so on until there are only two options left. For example if your in the please no yuri camp: (I'm using {} instead of [] so I'm not counted.)
{1} Heterosexual (Dating Brian has just proven the point)
{4} Bisexual (Why not both?)
{5} Homosexual (Having dated a guy you can definitely say they're not for you)
{3} Asexual (Tried dating, prefer science)
{2} Still thinking about it
Questions?
Edit: Please use the text exactly as written unless offering a write in, other wise your vote gets counted wrong.
(Oh and @Kinematics, does the vote Tally treat a [X] for preferntial voting as a 1 or does it consider them as separate votes altogether?)
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Alright here it goes.
[1 ] Heterosexual (Dating Brian has just proven the point)
[4 ] Bisexual (Why not both?)
[5 ] Homosexual (Having dated a guy you can definitely say they're not for you)
[2 ] Asexual (Tried dating, prefer science)
[3 ] Still thinking about it
[1 ] Heterosexual (Dating Brian has just proven the point)
[4 ] Bisexual (Why not both?)
[5 ] Homosexual (Having dated a guy you can definitely say they're not for you)
[2 ] Asexual (Tried dating, prefer science)
[3 ] Still thinking about it
Cassiemouse
Market Atheist
Sexuality
[1] Homosexual (Having dated a guy you can definitely say they're not for you)
[2] Still thinking about it
[3] Bisexual (Why not both?)
[4] Heterosexual (Dating Brian has just proven the point)
[5] Asexual (Tried dating, prefer science)
[1] Homosexual (Having dated a guy you can definitely say they're not for you)
[2] Still thinking about it
[3] Bisexual (Why not both?)
[4] Heterosexual (Dating Brian has just proven the point)
[5] Asexual (Tried dating, prefer science)
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Just as an FYI: The thread author will never have his or her votes counted. So you can make all the joke or example votes you want, or put the winning vote in the update post, etc, and it won't affect running a tally.
- Location
- Canada
[4] Heterosexual (Dating Brian has just proven the point)
[2] Bisexual (Why not both?)
[1] Homosexual (Having dated a guy you can definitely say they're not for you)
[5] Asexual (Tried dating, prefer science)
[3] Still thinking about it
[2] Bisexual (Why not both?)
[1] Homosexual (Having dated a guy you can definitely say they're not for you)
[5] Asexual (Tried dating, prefer science)
[3] Still thinking about it
Let's actually look at the romanceable males in the Mass Effect Series.
Kaiden: Boring with an annoying voice
Garrus: Cool dude. Best friends, but the human/turian pairing is kind of physically squicky if you really think about it.
Jacob: Nice guy, good friend, but he won't stay loyal to you in ME3 romantically.
Thane: Philosophical and awesome, but a strange guy with hallucinogenic skin. He's also dying fast.
Cortez: Nice guy, seems like a good friend, but he likes guys. Revy is a girl.
James: Strong cool dude, but too much of a jock for me. I don't think he's very interesting either. I also think there might be something going on between him and Cortez.
Javik: No, just no.
Joker is not romanceable, and I loved the Joker/EDI romance in ME3, so no.
Anderson is not romanceable and is quite a bit older and has a serious girlfriend already.
I simply don't think the male choices for romance in the ME series were very good except for Garrus, and that's pretty squicky to me. I thought the female choices were quite a bit better overall.
[5] Heterosexual (Dating Brian has just proven the point)
[2] Bisexual (Why not both?)
[1] Homosexual (Having dated a guy you can definitely say they're not for you)
[4] Asexual (Tried dating, prefer science)
[3] Still thinking about it
Kaiden: Boring with an annoying voice
Garrus: Cool dude. Best friends, but the human/turian pairing is kind of physically squicky if you really think about it.
Jacob: Nice guy, good friend, but he won't stay loyal to you in ME3 romantically.
Thane: Philosophical and awesome, but a strange guy with hallucinogenic skin. He's also dying fast.
Cortez: Nice guy, seems like a good friend, but he likes guys. Revy is a girl.
James: Strong cool dude, but too much of a jock for me. I don't think he's very interesting either. I also think there might be something going on between him and Cortez.
Javik: No, just no.
Joker is not romanceable, and I loved the Joker/EDI romance in ME3, so no.
Anderson is not romanceable and is quite a bit older and has a serious girlfriend already.
I simply don't think the male choices for romance in the ME series were very good except for Garrus, and that's pretty squicky to me. I thought the female choices were quite a bit better overall.
[5] Heterosexual (Dating Brian has just proven the point)
[2] Bisexual (Why not both?)
[1] Homosexual (Having dated a guy you can definitely say they're not for you)
[4] Asexual (Tried dating, prefer science)
[3] Still thinking about it
Cassiemouse
Market Atheist
I am pretty sure Hoyr will throw in some original characters if you guys choose heterosexual. Brian, for example.
OC's have not been developed much if at all. Brian was basically a blank slate for how much character development he got. Unless you're going to develop an OC properly, don't put them in a position where they need to be developed, like MC's Romantic Interest. A canon character like Liara has much more character to work with and will be much easier to for the GM to write meaningfully.
- Location
- Terror Australis
[1] Homosexual (Having dated a guy you can definitely say they're not for you)
[2] Bisexual (Why not both?)
[3] Still thinking about it
[4] Heterosexual (Dating Brian has just proven the point)
[5] Asexual (Tried dating, prefer science)
EDIT: vote adjusted
[2] Bisexual (Why not both?)
[3] Still thinking about it
[4] Heterosexual (Dating Brian has just proven the point)
[5] Asexual (Tried dating, prefer science)
EDIT: vote adjusted
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[5] Heterosexual (Dating Brian has just proven the point)
[2] Bisexual (Why not both?)
[1] Homosexual (Having dated a guy you can definitely say they're not for you)
[4] Asexual (Tried dating, prefer science)
[3] Still thinking about it
[2] Bisexual (Why not both?)
[1] Homosexual (Having dated a guy you can definitely say they're not for you)
[4] Asexual (Tried dating, prefer science)
[3] Still thinking about it
I hope it doesn't, a lot of people who votes earlier are probably going to be unhappy if that happens.
Anyway this got my blood a little too steamed up for now and I'm probably going to need to unwatched the thread it for a while, can someone ping me when it's over?
Meh; most of us are straight males, and we identify more with people who are attracted to females. I don't see that as especially unusual, or even necessarily wrong.
Yeah, funny you should mention the supernova thing... I was actually planning on bringing up Project Veto in the conversation, before I ran into that wall.
Ah, excellent! I was looking for a good response, but I was having a hard time feeling out the argument (which is why the conversation turned so one-sided at the end). It might be interesting to continue this omake, stretch out the debate a little, bring up the other subjects I was planning on mentioning to the Salarian Councilor.
[1] Bisexual
[2] Still thinking about it
[2] Still thinking about it
You know, I've just been skipping over the whole thing. I don't really care about Revy's sexuality, and unless she starts wanting to date Liara it's not going to matter for at least two more quarters, when our space yacht should sufficiently dissuade random space AK attacks so that we can once again roam the galaxy to do stuff.