Shepard Quest Mk VI, Technological Revolution

[X] You'll pay, it's tax deductible and thus the government is paying anyway.
[X] Offer them 50x 150GW Arc Reactors in 2174-Q1 and 1x 150GW Arc Reactor per quarter afterwards for as long as they are interested, with 1 quarter's notice before cancellation, at 3,750,000.
[X] At the farm
 
I was kinda wondering why nobody posted it in the few days since it was posted here that he went into construction...

Only remembered to post it today though.
I'd rather put him in charge of our PMC, since it's likely he was drummed out into early retirement poat First Contact War, and is probably looking to clear his name.

I actually don't think we need a whole construction company, so much as we should hire a few construction crews on full time, since we're going to be constantly expanding forever and it'd be a good idea to have our own people building our labs.
 
I'd rather put him in charge of our PMC, since it's likely he was drummed out into early retirement poat First Contact War, and is probably looking to clear his name.
Its a convenient way to meet him at least - he might not necessarily be willing to jump right into to a PMC just because we asked.
 
All right, let's see if anyone likes this option better:
[X] You'll pay, it's tax deductible and thus the government is paying anyway.
-[X] And you'll offer a lifetime guarantee and service for all your replacement tech
-[X] Sponsor a documentary on the plight of the L2s, and what the Shepard-Sirta Foundation is doing to help, and get it to air on a major network. De-emphasize the biotic powers; try to "humanize" them a little. Try to paint the L2s as an abused minority, racked with medical problems, trying to navigate a world that is trying to ignore them.

[X] Offer them 50x 150GW Arc Reactors in 2174-Q1 and 1x 150GW Arc Reactor per quarter afterwards for as long as they are interested, with 1 quarter's notice before cancellation, at 3,750,000.
-[X] Don't forget to sell them a maintenance contract on the reactors/reactor cores: large companies like that sort of thing, and the catalyst needs to be re-manufactured every ~10 years where utilities generally try to run power plants for 50+ years.


[X] At the farm
-[X] After our brush with death at the hands of a space-AK, hire 1 security team to keep the area around the house safe; make sure they have access to the somewhat excessive amounts of ordinance we have lying around in the garage to tinker with, including our "fun-Vee" Tiger (and eventually a spare Gladius B which of course we will be taking to and from the PI building).


I mean, we don't need a subway between our house and the PI campus if we can just fly there in a Gladius or a Tiger; that's just silly, and a security risk besides.

Also @Hoyr how much do those Arc Reactor core replacements cost? 50% of the value of the Reactor? If so, we can sell maintenance contracts for those 150 GW Arc Reactors: earn 50,000 credits per quarter for a cost of 20,000 credits and 0.125 Production for each Arc Reactor we sell a contract for.
 
What will you do about the L2s?
[X] The L2 implants where in part a government project and thus they should pay.
-[X] The Sirta/PI partnership will front the money and get the L2 vets treated ASAP, and will repeatedly petition the SA government for reimbursement (note that we almost certainly won't get repaid). It's a win-win-win: we get good PR for being proactive angels of mercy for intervening in the lives of injured vets; we either get paid back by the SA or we get to guilt-trip them for our next big request; and the newly-treated biotic vets will be forever grateful to PI (plus we can get a disproportionate number of ex-military biotics for our PMC)
-[X] Sponsor a documentary on the plight of the L2s, and what the Shepard-Sirta Foundation is doing to help. Try to paint the L2s as an abused minority, racked with medical problems, trying to navigate a world that is trying to ignore them.


EAE would like 50 150GW arc-reactors. Then maybe 3-4 per year after that.
[X] Offer them 50x 150GW Arc Reactors in 2174-Q1 and 1x 150GW Arc Reactor per quarter afterwards for as long as they are interested, with 1 quarter's notice before cancellation, at 3,750,000.
-[X] Don't forget to sell them a maintenance contract on the cores: the catalyst needs to be re-manufactured every ~10 years.


Were is your mansion home anyway?
[X] On the farm
-[X] On a nice bluff overlooking the surrounding area.
-[X] Hire 1 security team to keep the area safe; make sure they have access to the somewhat excessive amounts of ordinance we have lying around in the garage to tinker with, including our "fun-Vee" Tiger.




Also, here's a blank template I've developed for spaceship design in case we need it (though odds are this game already has something like this and I'm wasting my time):

Ship Name:
Ship Class:


Length:
Crew:

Range (FTL):
Range (STL):
Weapons (PD):
Weapons (Antiship):
Armor:
Shields:
Power Generation:
Propulsion (FTL):
Propulsion (STL):
Cargo Capacity:
Miscellaneous:



Hope that helps somewhat, but I do recall we're apparently designing and building prototype warships already, so this may not be needed anyways. :)
 
The Shepard-Sirta Foundation? Did we have a corporate merger that I missed?
PI is not a non-profit, and IIRC neither is Sirta, so this charitable partnership would have to be incorporated under a different name.

And haha, looks like I only got someone to agree with my first vote right as I abandoned it. :)
 
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Not when we're going to make people immortal eventually.
We totally need to make that all one press conference.

"And so, to ensure that these people do not suffer any further problems Paragon Industries is giving everyone who upgrades from the L2 implant a lifetime guarantee of free service and maintenance on the Magi implant should it ever be needed. This is done at my personal direction as my advisers have insisted that such an offer is insane. The reason for this is very simple and begins with a deceptively simple philosophical question. 'Who wants to live forever?' Well, not to be arrogant, but I do."

"And now I can."

"Presenting Paragon Industries newest entry to the biotech market: The Longevity Vaccine."
 
The Device's lifetime, not the User's. Lifetime guarantees are never the user's lifetime.

Edit: specifically, it's a guarantee against failure due to manufacturing errors. Poor materials, missing screws, dodgy connections... that sort of thing. Usually, anyway.
 
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Not when we're going to make people immortal eventually. @Hoyr can tell us what a standard warranty is and we can add 10 years or so too it.
Actually, I remembered that. Several things:
1) New people are born every day. They'll also be buying our stuff in the future
2) New technologies are being constantly developed - people want to upgrade eventually
3) Eventually I think we'll be moving into post-scarcity and there the PR and social standing will be more important than some additional money
The Device's lifetime, not the User's. Lifetime guarantees are never the user's lifetime.

Edit: specifically, it's a guarantee against failure due to manufacturing errors. Poor materials, missing screws, dodgy connections... that sort of thing. Usually, anyway.
I was thinking about user's lifetime, actually. It's stuff people are putting into their heads. If they know that we'll always be there to repair it for as long as they live? They might be much less reluctant to do so and will select our devices to put into their, and their kids' heads.
 
Actually, I remembered that. Several things:
1) New people are born every day. They'll also be buying our stuff in the future
2) New technologies are being constantly developed - people want to upgrade eventually
3) Eventually I think we'll be moving into post-scarcity and there the PR and social standing will be more important than some additional money

1.) Then we have to wait X years for people to grow up. And there's a thing called market saturation while we're waiting for the next crop of suckers customers.
2.) Eventually they'll update yes, but before they've gone through 3 replacements?
3) If we get to post-scarcity, we won't be servicing anything. They'll just replace it.

I'm not saying we shouldn't beat our competitor's warranties, I'm saying we shouldn't shackle ourselves to an endless obligations.
 
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I'm not saying we shouldn't beat our competitor's warranties, I'm saying we shouldn't shackle ourselves to an endless obligations.
On stuff that we literally put into people's heads? Yes, I think we should - the wins in PR and customer loyalty should be bigger than whatever costs we incur.
1.) Then we have to wait X years for people to grow up. And there's a thing called market saturation while we're waiting for the next crop of suckers customers.
There are billions and billions of humans, and more of asari, salarians, turians. A new one is being born every second - faster, even. The galaxy is a very big place. I kinda doubt we'll be facing market saturation soon, and, if we will, well, implants aren't the primary source of income for us.

We can afford the guarantee, and it is a serious blow against the competition.
 
The Device's lifetime, not the User's. Lifetime guarantees are never the user's lifetime.

Edit: specifically, it's a guarantee against failure due to manufacturing errors. Poor materials, missing screws, dodgy connections... that sort of thing. Usually, anyway.
Meh; I'm fully on board with an actual lifetime guarantee, with the expectation that nobody will want to still have the old Magi implant in 10-20 years because by then we'll have seven generations of improvements implemented and everyone will want the new one.

Hell, by that time they won't want that old meat sack anymore either. Upgrade now to the Paragon Industries Arti-body, 2185 Edition, and replace that old meatspace avatar with something that actually had the durability to last an eternity!
 
Could you explain FTL drive costs again? You do remember that the amount of eezo and power applied to it increase exponentially with increase of affected mass and maximum speed? We need at least two points (i.e., say "a frigate weights X1 and its drive core costs Y1" and "a dreadnought weights X2 and its drive costs Y2") to calc the cost for a city ship.

The problem is that we have very little data on FTL cores. Here are the facts as we know them:

The Normandy SR-1's core was double the size of a normal core and cost 120 billion (raw eezo price only). In other use size has meant mass (though consistency and bioware.. yeah). Logically a normal core would cost 60b. Its worth noting that he larger core only doubled the use time of the core, but did not increase the top FTL speed as far as we know. The Normandy SR-1 was around 135m long. The top speed of the Normand was maybe around 15LY/day (effective over an unknown time period) and its endurance close to 100 hours.

A fighter core costs ~10 million credits for the full mechanism. Fighters range from ~6-12m depending on which one your talking about, who you ask and how they feel about things in game material supports the ~6m figure from what I can tell. Top speed unknown but FTL capable, probably in the 5-15LY/day range. The thrusters are far weaker, but the mass in much lower. Ideally this figure would give use the second point but the performance is unknown...

The Normandy SR-2 has double the mass ("size") of the SR-1 but has a mass effect core three times the size (making the cost 360 billion credits!). However the effects of this are unknown. The only known change in flight ability between the SR-1 and SR-2 is that the SR-2 can't land on planet with to many gees. The top speed of the SR-2 is still most likely ~15LY/day (effective over an unknown time period). The Normandy SR-2 is 170m long according to one of the graphics artists that worked on it. (This figure along with the mass change is used to calculate the size of the SR-1)

I believe that a suitably clever (and bored) person could turn these into a helpful analysis. Maybe taking the mass of RL fighter craft (the have the right composition as I believe they tend to use titanium) and size scaling for a mass estimate (alternatively submarines, though they are iron based). Of course the armor used is most likely tungsten or carbon so that's something to think on I'd also guess that the SR-2 has about the same performance as the SR-1 if only for the sake saying something useful. That's the real problem getting two cores for two different mass that do the same thing. The SR-1 and SR-2 are the most reasonable comparison and even then I think the SR-2 might be "better".

In addition the "useful" range of craft is below 1km for the most part. Reapers push that up to 2km, but they don't have am economy to really worry about do they? You could do analysis from that perspective as well. The exponential curve is mostly flat until 1km ships (whatever their mass averages out to) turn up heavily at 2km, and then gets insanely steep after that.

I have largely been handwaving the exact costs because of the poor level of data available. If anyone has better data or a useful informative analysis I'd be interested.

Hey, is there a hard limit on how much power you can pump into a chunk of element zero before you need to add more of it or is it just a practicality issue?

The answer to you question is probably yes. If you mean what I think you mean.

Begin nerdy tangent! Okay so to clarify. Power=energy/second, I'm going to assume you mean that. Eezo runs on current (charge per second=amps). After an amount of time the charge will build up to high and then zap! However the voltage (energy/charge=volts) you an put into eezo at any one moment is limited use the wrong voltage (or use impure eezo) and it goes boom! (Or so says CDN-01/19/2011). Current is directly dependent on the Voltage and Resistance (assuming I get to be lazy and use Ohm's law, which is debatable). Power is equal to volts times amps. Assuming constant resistance (or at least a limited range), then yes the amount of power you can pump into eezo at any given moment is fixed as the formulas can be simplified as Power=(Volts^2)/R.

Of course as usual we have no clue about any actual numbers and a few of the relationships are missing but there you go. After a point you need to alter the amount of voltage you can use and the most likely easiest way to do that is add more eezo.

Also @Hoyr how much do those Arc Reactor core replacements cost? 50% of the value of the Reactor? If so, we can sell maintenance contracts for those 150 GW Arc Reactors: earn 50,000 credits per quarter for a cost of 20,000 credits and 0.125 Production for each Arc Reactor we sell a contract for.

Maybe a few thousand credits ever few years for a 5GW depending on use? You literally take a piece (or pieces) of (suitably pure) palladium cut to the right size and shove it/them in the socket after taking the old one out. The palladium is a standard galactic resource.

I'm not sure you'd real see much need for maintenance contracts, you could just call up nearly any major palladium mining company/distributor and say "hey I need a bit of palladium in such and such a size at X purity" then put the darn thing in. You'd want to handle the spent core safely, which maybe an issue. I'd figure most large firms could do that on their own. You might be able to do something for smaller businesses/individuals, having "the arc-reactor guy" drop by and take care of that would help a lot. Of course the need for that in the market might cause others top pop up and fulfill the need.

Also, here's a blank template I've developed for spaceship design in case we need it (though odds are this game already has something like this and I'm wasting my time):

Cool thanks. Don't think we have anything like that yet. Ships became a thing just last update really.

@Hoyr can tell us what a standard warranty is and we can add 10 years or so too it.

Depends on who your buying from and what. An implant with proper maintenance should last for the lifetime of its user. Especially as replacement is not usually an option (or at least not an easy one). Most warranty/care plans last for decades or have the option to buy extensions or something. Asari ones often for centuries. Of course you usually have to pay for the better warranties or extensions etc.

Amps on the other hand are much shorter, depending on who you buy from. Years to a couple of decades depending usually. Though as usual the Asari tend toward very long times indeed.
 
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On stuff that we literally put into people's heads? Yes, I think we should - the wins in PR and customer loyalty should be bigger than whatever costs we incur.

There are billions and billions of humans, and more of asari, salarians, turians. A new one is being born every second - faster, even. The galaxy is a very big place. I kinda doubt we'll be facing market saturation soon, and, if we will, well, implants aren't the primary source of income for us.

We can afford the guarantee, and it is a serious blow against the competition.

You say the PR benefits, but we don't know that. It could just pass over and then we'll be stuck with it.

You assume they all buy our product, that probably won't happen.

I disagree. It's an unending obligation that the competition will match, then things return to normal.
 
Biggest thing is making sure such a plan isn't wracking up new expenses faster than it does new sales.
I have a hard time seeing a guarantee which lasts for the User's lifetime not turning into that if the user is imortal. More so if it covers more than manufacturing faults (there shouldn't be any, of course, but multiple hundred years of continuous operation is a bit of an ask for miniaturized electronics).

Also, unless you pull off Microsoft levels of ethically dubious market manipulation, most people will get to a model that does the job well enough that they understand how to use, and then never upgrade unless they get into a job or hobby that needs a feature their current one simply doesn't have. The percentage who an and will upgrade every time a new shiny comes out is fairly small.
 
Lifetime warranty only for the l2 replacements, and 80 years for our other amps?

L2 is a set, limited group, that we could amp for pocket change.

And 80 years is plenty of decades past anyone else, probably including asari.
 
Lifetime warranty only for the l2 replacements, and 80 years for our other amps?

L2 is a set, limited group, that we could amp for pocket change.

And 80 years is plenty of decades past anyone else, probably including asari.
That's about what I'd like. I'm not going for political capital or goodwill so much as just reputation. The L2s got shit on by life, hard. I'd like Paragon to be known as the people who fix things like that. Not jbecause of what it would get us, but because shit like that should be fixed.


Admittedly, a reputation like that would open a hell of a lot of very big doors, but that's just a side benefit. Well, 'just' is probably the wrong word there. 'Really goddamn huge' is more accurate.
 
Maybe a few thousand credits ever few years for a 5GW depending on use? You literally take a piece (or pieces) of (suitably pure) palladium cut to the right size and shove it/them in the socket after taking the old one out. The palladium is a standard galactic resource.

I'm not sure you'd real see much need for maintenance contracts, you could just call up nearly any major palladium mining company/distributor and say "hey I need a bit of palladium in such and such a size at X purity" then put the darn thing in. You'd want to handle the spent core safely, which maybe an issue. I'd figure most large firms could do that on their own. You might be able to do something for smaller businesses/individuals, having "the arc-reactor guy" drop by and take care of that would help a lot. Of course the need for that in the market might cause others top pop up and fulfill the need.
I'm not sure how much I agree with this ruling, as it would imply that the maintenance costs for all our equipment is much, much, much lower than the industry standard, since we'd naturally use low-maintenance arc reactors (and for that matter any other super-low-maintenance tech, like hyper-modularity) everywhere in favor of higher-cost power delivery that everyone else uses. The thing is, we seem to have standardized all our buildings and equipment on 20% of the build cost per year in maintenance, which is kind of high but reasonable if you assume wages are much higher than the lowest-common-denominator prices we've been seeing lately. That can't possibly square with the idea that most industries pay a lot more than we do on maintenance; either we're paying too much for our own maintenance, or our tech products have to have higher maintenance costs.

If you think about it for a second, even if our Arc Reactors don't cost that much to maintain, we'd have to charge a similar amount for a maintenance contract just to keep the corporate buyers happy. Middle and upper managers can't trust and don't place value on things that they get for free: they need a maintenance contract so they'll have a clear chain of command (and a 24/7 support line to call, with different tiers of response) in case there's a problem that needs an immediate response. PI invented the Arc Reactor, and PI built the Arc Reactor; a large corporation is going to require PI be the one to maintain the Arc Reactor, and require PI to take responsibility for and fix any problems that arise, because having anyone else take the maintenance contract will just mean that there's three different entities responsible for that Arc Reactor, and anyone with any experience in management knows that if three people are responsible for something, then nobody is.

(Edit): Oh, and it just occurred to me: we know, OoC, that the long-term maintenance costs will be relatively low, but in-universe the tech is only ~3 years old, and nobody really knows what the long-term costs will be. What that means is that no reputable company is going to be trying to low-bid a PI Arc Reactor maintenance contract for many years, similar to how even after five years you still need to pay super-car rates for insurance on a Tesla Model S, despite the fact that it's priced as a mid-range luxury car, because for most companies the tech is so new.
 
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Right so look like those that were going to vote did so vote call I guess?
Tally.
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L2 Payments
[x] You'll pay, it's tax deductible and thus the government is paying anyway.
No. of votes: 11
Aranfan, Varano, Massgamer, UberJJK, meianmaru, Tabron89, tyaty1, AzaggThoth, Yog, Sylvire, TheEyes

--[X] And you'll offer a lifetime guarantee and service for all your replacement tech
No. of votes: 2
Yog, TheEyes

-[X] Sponsor a documentary on the plight of the L2s, and what the Shepard-Sirta Foundation is doing to help, and get it to air on a major network. De-emphasize the biotic powers; try to humanize them a little. Try to paint the L2s as an abused minority, racked with medical problems, trying to navigate a world that is trying to ignore them.
No. of votes: 2
TheEyes, avatar11792

[X] The L2 implants where in part a government project and thus they should pay.
No. of votes: 1
avatar11792

-[X] The Sirta/PI partnership will front the money and get the L2 vets treated ASAP, and will repeatedly petition the SA government for reimbursement (note that we almost certainly won't get repaid). It's a win-win-win: we get good PR for being proactive angels of mercy for intervening in the lives of injured vets; we either get paid back by the SA or we get to guilt-trip them for our next big request; and the newly-treated biotic vets will be forever grateful to PI (plus we can get a disproportionate number of ex-military biotics for our PMC)
No. of votes: 1
avatar11792


EAE Deal
[X] Offer them 50x 150GW Arc Reactors in 2174-Q1 and 1x 150GW Arc Reactor per quarter afterwards for as long as they are interested, with 1 quarter's notice before cancellation, at 3,750,000.
No. of votes: 9
UberJJK, meianmaru, Tabron89, tyaty1, AzaggThoth, Yog, Sylvire, TheEyes, avatar11792

[x] Deal.
No. of votes: 3
Aranfan, Varano, Massgamer

-[X] Don't forget to sell them a maintenance contract on the reactors/reactor cores: large companies like that sort of thing, and the catalyst needs to be re-manufactured every ~10 years where utilities generally try to run power plants for 50+ years.
No. of votes: 2
TheEyes, avatar11792


Mansion Location
[x] At the farm
No. of votes: 12
Aranfan, Varano, Massgamer, UberJJK, meianmaru, Tabron89, tyaty1, AzaggThoth, Yog, Sylvire, TheEyes, avatar11792

-[X] After our brush with death at the hands of a space-AK, hire 1 security team to keep the area around the house safe; make sure they have access to the somewhat excessive amounts of ordinance we have lying around in the garage to tinker with, including our fun-Vee Tiger (and eventually a spare Gladius B which of course we will be taking to and from the PI building).
No. of votes: 2
TheEyes, avatar11792

-[X] On a nice bluff overlooking the surrounding area.
No. of votes: 1
avatar11792
So the winners are:
[X] You'll pay, it's tax deductible and thus the government is paying anyway.
[X] Offer them 50x 150GW Arc Reactors in 2174-Q1 and 1x 150GW Arc Reactor per quarter afterwards for as long as they are interested, with 1 quarter's notice before cancellation, at 3,750,000.
[X] At the farm
 
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