------> Even assuming that he does, in fact, have a weak heel, and you can, in fact, shoot through whatever lower leg and foot protection he's wearing, congratulations. You're still dealing with someone who has high-end dermal and subdermal armoring and a biology modified for combat in hostile environments, with enough Primium in him to shrug off almost anything. You might have just annoyed him enough that he'll debone you. -FightDamian
-------> he can do that? -xxL3ITxx
--------> Yes. It's not practical, but it's certainly showy. And when he's not under threat, he seems to like showy. -Bowman
This doesn't seem physically possible

---> I thought Adele_Dubois_(EXEMPLAR) was actually a gender-variant clone of King Arthur? -Qwpo
----> Not this shit again. -Grailseeker
-----> Yes. Let's not. -Wingz (moderator)
Just Saber Things amiright?
 
It annoys me that they don't seem to have enough backing in theology to understand that there are interpretations of the abrahamic god not just compatible but supportive of the technocratic paradigm.

And now I'm super curious what Heracles, Odysseus or Atlanta would look like if Examplar'd. Mostly Atlanta because bestgreekgirl and for the potential of progenitor bio weapons keyed into the Hyde she wore.
 
----> Yes it does. The mythic thread of Helen of Troy and her role in the story has resonated with other stories, including ones written as fanfiction. This is why 'shipping' causes so many 'flame wars' on the internet-the action of pairing up two attractive people resonates with the mythic thread of the Trojan War and so a fight must occur. -FalseTruthsStated
*cackles off in a corner*
 
[X] Write-in: It's irrelevant what Cross decides. Someone's been sent to make sure that Gregor Leon can't talk either way. Fortunately, they're a gloater. What do they give away?
- [X] What exactly the trap Rose found herself in is

[X] Defuse the trap (requires Cross taking the deal or Gregor Leon providing the right information)
 
Zhang_Yuan_(EXEMPLAR) and Jana_Orleans_(EXEMPLAR

Lu Bu and Joan of Arc

Adele_Dubois_(EXEMPLAR)

gender-variant clone of King Arthur

Wait. Now i'm confused. So we have two Joan of Arcs running around? Since Jana probably is one and Adele is one who people keep mistaking for Arthur.

Also:

----> FightDamian, encouraging users to commit suicide is against the rules. For the rest of you, this is a reminder that encouraging people to pick fights with war gods or self-aware, reusable, weapons of mass destruction is, in fact, prohibited. -HackedHITMark42 (Moderator).

I notice that A, it sounds humanlike and B, the 'bot' was removed from modbot. Has hanging around mages gave it a soul or is this some dude who has a fetish for pretending to be a soulless technocratic construct?

And furthermore, why would the crats clone a superlative warrior known as much for his combat prowess as for his tendency to betray people?

Maybe the traditions got it wrong and Zhang Yuan is actually Zhao Yun. Less impressive beatstick but far more stable and loyal. :???:
 
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The best bit is realizing Rose upon visiting the Geofront in London could wonder what happened to the Vamp nest she wiped out ~ purely for laughing at the tacky furniture. Then discover its a Trad safe house bought from the Syndicate.


"We had the Bobs install new cabling & routers bringing it up to code. Of course we know everything happening there."
 
Not mere war machines. You would be less boned facing them if that were the case. Pierro is thinking now, Maria seems to be looking into sociology and social engineering. Cross is a master detective, and growing into leadership. They become more than just weapons, and that is when they become true Exemplars.
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Doesn't this risk disentangling them from mystic thread that empowers them though?
 
And furthermore, why would the crats clone a superlative warrior known as much for his combat prowess as for his tendency to betray people?

Maybe the traditions got it wrong and Zhang Yuan is actually Zhao Yun. Less impressive beatstick but far more stable and loyal. :???:
When that Exemplar first showed up in this Quest (hunting down Alice's former Chantry in the aftermath of her sidestory), the BGM posted was one of Lu Bu's from a Dynasty Warriors game, and he was riding in on a red motorcycle, standing in for Red Hare. So yeah, Zhang Yuan definitely is Lu Bu. And he's murderous with a bow, as we saw back then.

Also, good on you for finally acknowledging more Exemplars after us Fate people clamoring for them every time they get brought up, plus using the Joan of Arc Saberface joke that we can't seem to put down either.
 
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So people are pretty willing to go and join @EarthScorpion in welcoming Gregor Leon, Agent of WARCRIMES (you could probably backronym it to something. World Assimilation, Re-Education, Conquest, and Repression Institution for Mass Extrasolar Summoning I guess) back for... probably not that long because Cross, as mentioned, has DSci 3.

In fact, his original spheres were Time 3, Life 3 (favored), Dimensional Science 3, Mind 2, and Forces 2, with Enlightenment 4. Of course, he survived Moscow, so that's worth some upgrades. He is currently Enlightenment 4, Time 3, Life 3(f), DSci 3, Mind 4 (Tactical Operations), Forces 3, Correspondence 2, Matter 2, and Prime 2. All in all, he's not exactly Donald or Rose. He's still a better mage than either Piero or Maria. But he invested most of his XP into more augmentation and physical stats and his newfound rank and ludicrously high requisitions rating. What, you think normal people have Ghost Bullets?

Accompanying him is Major Jane Clarent, who is Enlightenment 5 and has the spheres Correspondence 4 (Multitasking), Mind 4 (Brute Force), Matter 2, Forces 3, Time 2, Prime 3. She is rather more powerful as a mage. As you might remember from the car chase, she can practically make any hand weapon dance. Or, to be more literal, make a single bullet ricochet through a room and kill a half-dozen people.

Remember that he is also backed up by a bunch of Damage Control and THOR agents, who can be assumed to have access to Enlightenment 4, sphere 3 effects in any sphere.

As far as the trap Rose has found herself in goes, it's literally what you've taken at face value. The URTURN system is self-destructing, in a way designed to destroy most of the evidence here. If Rose tries to use her DSci 3 to get out of that space, there's some modifications to the local spatial conditions which will dump her rather deeper into the Umbra than expected... which is perfect for an attempt by Control to eat her and use her as a finger puppet.
 
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I notice that A, it sounds humanlike and B, the 'bot' was removed from modbot. Has hanging around mages gave it a soul or is this some dude who has a fetish for pretending to be a soulless technocratic construct?

It's a Traditionalist who's TradWiki username just happens to be HackedHITMark42, duh. :V

He is currently Enlightenment 4, Time 3, Life 3(f), DSci 3, Mind 4 (Tactical Operations), Forces 3, Correspondence 2, Matter 2, and Prime 2.

All in all, he's not exactly Donald or Rose.

He still has more sphere dots than Jamelia.
 
So... just dancing ahead for a moment, we have the following Meaningful Concerns.
- We'd like the bodyjumper to not kill his current host. That's going to be something of an immediate concern because he has a knife to the guy's throat. Even after we deal with the immediate concern, though, he's still in a pretty good position to kill the guy, and we'll have to do something about that.
- We'd like to come up with a way to trap/bind/kill aforementioned bodyjumper, because we hate him and we want him dead and also because he's a meaningful playing piece in the hands of the enemy.
- We need to make sure that he doesn't get away even after he realizes that he might die here.

Various pertinent assets, off the top of my head:
- Having Life 3 int eh Unnamed Crowd means that we have Technocracy Paramedic stuff going on.
- Clarent doesn't have DSci, but she does have Mind 4 (brute force) which is pretty much perfect for a direct mind control attack, if we can figure out a way to make it appropriately paradigmatic. She also has Prime 3, which, I believe, also gives her an appropriate zortch.
- The Unnamed Crowd *does* have DSci 3, which means that they can also use anti-Gretkov phasers. It also has Mind 3, which (as mind 2) lets them send brief mental impulses. That's not the sort of thing that will work for very long, but it *is* the sort of thing that can net an immediately useful tactical advantage if you swing it right.
 
You mean Gretkov wearing Leon as a meatsuit?
In fact, his original spheres were Time 3, Life 3 (favored), Dimensional Science 3, Mind 2, and Forces 2, with Enlightenment 4. Of course, he survived Moscow, so that's worth some upgrades. He is currently Enlightenment 4, Time 3, Life 3(f), DSci 3, Mind 4 (Tactical Operations), Forces 3, Correspondence 2, Matter 2, and Prime 2. All in all, he's not exactly Donald or Rose. He's still a better mage than either Piero or Maria. But he invested most of his XP into more augmentation and physical stats and his newfound rank and ludicrously high requisitions rating. What, you think normal people have Ghost Bullets?
Das still pret good. He has some nice basis for FUN in those spheres, and they're the ones we want in this sort of situation.
Accompanying him is Major Jane Clarent, who is Enlightenment 5 and has the spheres Correspondence 4 (Multitasking), Mind 4 (Brute Force), Matter 2, Forces 3, Time 2, Prime 3. She is rather more powerful as a mage. As you might remember from the car chase, she can practically make any hand weapon dance. Or, to be more literal, make a single bullet ricochet through a room and kill a half-dozen people.
Jane continues to be very helpful, in that she is killy as fuck.
Remember that he is also backed up by a bunch of Damage Control and THOR agents, who can be assumed to have access to Enlightenment 4, sphere 3 effects in any sphere.
Oh good, our mooks are also terrifying, as suiting a situation this intense.
 
Well, I'm thinking Gregor Leon will survive without most of his limbs, if he gets immediate medical attention (which we are qualified to provide). And we have two people here with bullshit levels of firearms proficiency.

Another option is to try and hit him with some sort of paralysis (not sure how we would do this) or straight up freeze him with Time 4 and then phaser the fuck out of Gretkov once the effect wears off.
 
Another option is to try and hit him with some sort of paralysis (not sure how we would do this) or straight up freeze him with Time 4 and then phaser the fuck out of Gretkov once the effect wears off.
Personally, I figure that "hit him with some sort of paralysis" *is* an expression of Time 4, by default. Unfortunately we don't have anyone with Time 4. Clarent is 2, Cross is 3, and the mooks cap out at 3 as well.

Clarent can try to fake it with Mind 4, but I'm not sure how shed manage that. What kind of Mind focii does she *have*? (...other than computer hacking, which would take a fair bit of mind-twistiness to try to apply in this particular circumstance)
 
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Personally, I figure that "hit him with some sort of paralysis" *is* an expression of Time 4, by default. Unfortunately we don't have anyone with Time 4. Clarent is 2, Cross is 3, and the mooks cap out at 3 as well.

Clarent can try to fake it with Mind 4, but I'm not sure how shed manage that. What kind of Mind focii does she *have*? (...other than computer hacking, which would take a fair bit of mind-twistiness to try to apply in this particular circumstance)

Whoops you're right. I got the sphere ratings mixed up.

Could we use Corr 3 to enforce a ban on knives (with bullets)?
 
Well, I'm thinking Gregor Leon will survive without most of his limbs, if he gets immediate medical attention (which we are qualified to provide). And we have two people here with bullshit levels of firearms proficiency.

Another option is to try and hit him with some sort of paralysis (not sure how we would do this) or straight up freeze him with Time 4 and then phaser the fuck out of Gretkov once the effect wears off.

Remember that Gretkov is an Agent, and Agents do not show injury. They're basically giant bags of hitpoints who either function at 100% or ded, no in-betweens barring the use of Spirit 4 or conjunctional DSci 3/Life 4 (if you want to cripple them physically) or DSci 3/Mind 4 (if you want to cripple them mentally). Note that Mind magic still has obvious issues regarding how effective it is against resisting targets against Agents.

Actually, since Cross has DSci and Jamelia didn't, someone roll me Cross's Enlightenment 4 + DSci 3 (7d), enhanced by another THOR agent's Enlightenment 4 + DSci 3 (7d) for a total of 14d, to figure out what Gretkov has. Nobody is spending any willpower or prime energy on this because it's a pretty beefy roll and you might need it for more important shit.
 
It annoys me that they don't seem to have enough backing in theology to understand that there are interpretations of the abrahamic god not just compatible but supportive of the technocratic paradigm.

And now I'm super curious what Heracles, Odysseus or Atlanta would look like if Examplar'd. Mostly Atlanta because bestgreekgirl and for the potential of progenitor bio weapons keyed into the Hyde she wore.
Wouldnt that just be atlanta from infinity given whaf mj has been pullling from?
 
Actually, since Cross has DSci and Jamelia didn't, someone roll me Cross's Enlightenment 4 + DSci 3 (7d), enhanced by another THOR agent's Enlightenment 4 + DSci 3 (7d) for a total of 14d, to figure out what Gretkov has. Nobody is spending any willpower or prime energy on this because it's a pretty beefy roll and you might need it for more important shit.

Using the forum dice roller

EDIT: 8 sux.
Arcus threw 12 10-faced dice. Reason: Gretkov Total: 84
6 6 6 6 9 9 5 5 7 7 6 6 8 8 10 10 8 8 3 3 9 9 7 7
Arcus threw 2 10-faced dice. Reason: More Dice Total: 13
7 7 6 6
 
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