So, uh...

Why is the policy "The first roll sticks, period," anyway? Like yes, obviously you need to decide on your resource expenditure before you roll, but it seems pretty obviously possible to just... make any rolls before a consensus on resource expenditure has been reached not count, whether or not anyone wants to keep them, and whether or not the dice pool or autosux would change.

This would save people from "this dumb roll screwed us" and cut down on the vitriol for when someone does get overexcited. And I really don't see what benefit the hardline "Well one person rolled, LIVE WITH IT" stance has in the first place; one of the purposes of the Quest format is to ensure that everyone gets input and no one is screwed by a single impulsive voter.

So people won't reroll endlessly until they get a roll they like, more or less. I can make exceptions when necessary but I don't want people scumming by, for example, just rolling early and hoping for luck and then trying to think their way out of it if they don't get lucky.

You don't know the system. You don't read the posts. You don't even have the common decency to cross out your vote - and you always change your vote to the latest bandwagon, which makes tallying votes so much harder. You're not even sorry.

What the hell possessed you to fuck everything up, when we already know that Jaron had five autosuccesses and there was no way that Rose was rolling that on her own?

I'd like to publicly appeal to the goodness of MJ's heart [1] and let a Christmas miracle occur and let your stupidity not ruin the game for everyone else. Because if Rose dies in a ditch, it will be entirely on your head. And as it stands, with the entirely your fault rolls in place? There's a good chance of that happening.

[1] A perhaps futile effort, for his heart is an efficient machine of nanotech and carbon composite.

Look, the Residents would quit if I didn't respect the spirit of the most capitalist holiday of the year. :(
 
You don't know the system.
I admit that's the case.
You don't read the posts.
I contest this, but what's the point.
You don't even have the common decency to cross out your vote - and you always change your vote to the latest bandwagon, which makes tallying votes so much harder. You're not even sorry.
I assumed you used the vote tallying program. If you don't, my bad.

Mostly true.

I actually am.

All right. Do you want me to stop? Stop posting, stop voting, stop rolling, whatever? Then I'll do it. I followed this quest for a long while without giving input, and I can continue to do so. I don't want to be the one to ruin this for everyone, so yeah.
 
All right. Do you want me to stop? Stop posting, stop voting, stop rolling, whatever? Then I'll do it. I followed this quest for a long while without giving input, and I can continue to do so. I don't want to be the one to ruin this for everyone, so yeah.

It would be useful if you were willing to give reasoning for why you're voting and why you think what you think. That's all people really are asking.
 
So people won't reroll endlessly until they get a roll they like, more or less. I can make exceptions when necessary but I don't want people scumming by, for example, just rolling early and hoping for luck and then trying to think their way out of it if they don't get lucky.
Well yes. Save scumming is definitely shitty. It seems to me that the answer to this is make "reaching consensus" necessary for the roll to matter. If you force people to come to a decision before their roll will even be counted, you'll sidestep this whole "One dude rolls too soon, everyone else yells at them, thread becomes a bitchfest" sequence that just keeps repeating.

Once a decision has been made, of course, the first roll needs to go, but...

Look, I don't like to see the quest screwed over because someone rolled way early with a shittier pool than needed, but I also don't like to see everyone bitch out a player whose crime was being too impulsive, or forgetting briefly when they rolled the dice, or just not getting the mechanics well enough. Yes, they shouldn't have done it in the first place, but encouraging that vitriol is the fact that right now you're hanging the outcome of major quest segments on "The first person to happen to post the thing." And I think it could well be avoided.
 
Right okay. Thanks.

But in a more serious matter, how can we prevent such fuckups from ever happening again? I like notthepenguins idea of reaching resource consensus and then taking the first roll after that, for what it's worth.
I see that cup of obviously alcoholic liquid in your avatar's hand.
How dare you sir! That is finest quality tea!

(Doesn't actually drink tea.)

(Still doesn't get the joke other than it's related to Donald Trump apparently.)
 
Well yes. Save scumming is definitely shitty. It seems to me that the answer to this is make "reaching consensus" necessary for the roll to matter. If you force people to come to a decision before their roll will even be counted, you'll sidestep this whole "One dude rolls too soon, everyone else yells at them, thread becomes a bitchfest" sequence that just keeps repeating.

Once a decision has been made, of course, the first roll needs to go, but...

Look, I don't like to see the quest screwed over because someone rolled way early with a shittier pool than needed, but I also don't like to see everyone bitch out a player whose crime was being too impulsive, or forgetting briefly when they rolled the dice, or just not getting the mechanics well enough. Yes, they shouldn't have done it in the first place, but encouraging that vitriol is the fact that right now you're hanging the outcome of major quest segments on "The first person to happen to post the thing." And I think it could well be avoided.
With the clarification that a consensus of no PE/WP spending still makes prior rolls not count.
 
Rose stares down at her lap. She's scared and trying to hide it, and she isn't sure if these NWO spooks can see through her BLO. That's what she believes. She has deep-rooted fears of someone messing with her brain again which she doesn't like to show to anyone. So one of her tells is that she looks away, rather than show fear. That's why Rose does it, because she's Henriette Langley.

She's believing something that isn't true. Or at least, she wouldn't have said it was true before she believed it. But now she believes it and it's self-evidently true.

Ignoring her reflection and the way it's waving a copy of 1984 at her - because Henriette's reflection doesn't do that sort of thing - she looks up. There's a tiny tightening of the muscles in her throat, a microtell that someone with a full bioscan might have picked up even with the BLO suppressing the nervous swallow. "What do you want to know, Operative?" she says in a confident, optimised tone. She doesn't believe the hardware in her would let unwanted emotions show, so none are shown. She would like to help them - but she can't. She knows a lot less than they want. Director Belltower doesn't tell her much.

Henriette Langley wouldn't say that 'Henriette' is her mental twin. She'd say that there's a lot of Rose in her, and that changing her name and bits of her past to cover up facts doesn't make her someone else. But 'Henriette' would probably get confused and angry if told that, because she's self-evidently the real Henriette! Stupid... stupid made-up 'real' Henriettes!

'Henriette' goes through her own beliefs with the cynicism of the artist. Some things she doesn't change. Some things she leaves in place as sacrificial information that will hurt her friends if it gets out, but not as much as the truly painful things. She hates the Computer, and if they notice that some of that same hate about the Computer slips through when she talks about the MUSCOVITEs - well, Henriette Langley thinks the MUSCOVITEs are controlled by a void-maddened Computer. That's not surprising, when it comes from the girl who was all but kicked out of Iteration X for attacking a Comptroller for mentioning the Computer in front of her. She can't hide everything from a dedicated NWO scanning team - but she hopes she can hide enough. After all, she's a hot-headed Iterator pilot who relies on her BLO to avoid wearing her heart on her sleeve and Kessler told her once that the NWO tends to underestimate tinheads. He sounded like he was speaking from personal experience there.

But the funny thing is, she's done something like this before. Not at her own volition, but she still has.

The difference is, this time she's doing it to protect Donald and not to kill him. And this time she's choosing to believe something else, not having it forced upon her. And to 'Henriette', that makes all the difference in the world. Because she chooses to believe that is the case.

[Rose - Mind (Do You Like The New Me) - Rose remembers the feeling of her own mind changing when the Anathema activated those codes on her. The codes are gone, but the memories remain. And now she controls her own mind. She can think she's Henriette. If she wants to. She remembers wanting to kill Donald - wanting to help the Tyrants but not being able to help them because Director Belltower keeps a lot of secrets is easy in comparison. She can believe that she doesn't know things she doesn't want to tell them, and she can believe what she's saying is true. She'll do it, because she's acting to protect her friends and it's better this burden falls on her than the real Henriette. She can take it. Enhanced by Manipulation + Style, if enhancement is allowed - and acting to further her Masochist Virtue.]

...

So, the question is what level of difficulty-increaser to give Rose. We have a very nasty balance here, because the Tyrants have enough Prime between them [1] to probably take off a good few successes if they notice it, but they also have a good chance of noticing it so we'd probably need to give it several points of diff increase to get away with it - but each diff increase is a success we could be using. So. Hmm. I'm not sure at the moment, don't have the post-Christmas meal brainpower to spare to do the maths, lol.

(Yes, writing takes less brainpower.)

Hmm. Also, this might not be the best rote for the role. Don't jump behind it without questioning. I need second opinions - maybe there's a better way to cover up than Rose rewriting herself.

[1] Although, amusingly enough, not as much Prime as our party has between them. If we had a prisoner like this, we could spam so much dispelling and countermagic and antimagic at them.
 
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Hmm. Okay then. That's a specialty and a vice, so it would be fairly hard to top quality wise. So let's assume we do use it for now. Rose would be rolling 9d10x7 and will be gaining a willpower point, so we'll almost certainly use it. Now, this roll is pretty important so we'll probably also spend PE.

So a basic total of 9d10x7+2 before the enhancement, by my calculations.

Would a good compromise be to raise the difficulty by the auto sux then? That's an okay amount of enhancement, but leaves us up shit creek if we roll poorly. The main alternative would be to keep one auto sux in reserve just in case.

Hmm. More thought is needed.

Anyone else want to chime in?

Options so far in my opinion:

[] Raise by auto sux.
[] Raise by all but one auto sux.
 
Why not have one designated roller person who can be trusted to wait until a consensus happens?
I'd volunteer but IIR it was my rolls that started the whole RoseLuck snowball and that's who we're rolling for first.

Plus it would completely remove one of the threads easiest tools for detecting Threat Null sleeper agents :V
 
Of all the people to try and read, a full body conversion operative is possibly the toughest thinks Rose, all the involuntary physical tells that shine so brightly to her senses are unavailable. There is just how he acts, what he says and how he says it, all under his highly trained control. Except she has other senses, senses that don't just register the smell of desire or the tics of hatred but the emotions themselves. The enemy desires an ascension war, it hates Henriette and it really, really hates Jamelia and maybe fears her and definitely her desires her death most avidly. If Threat Null is behind those pretty bionic eyes it will show itself...

I guess that would be a Mind rote enhanced by Wits + Etiquette or Linguistics to analyse the outward signs.
 
Operative Jacqueline Beauchene
Notable Augmentations:
Heavy armored combat chassis. Synthflesh provides only limited disguise ability. Multiple integrated weapons for antipersonnel and antimateriel use. Vehicle-grade sensors array. Nanotech self-repair for rapid battlefield maintenance.
Enlightenment: 5
Spheres: Correspondence 2, Entropy 4 (Planning), Forces 4 (Demolitions), Mind 2, Time 3
Notes: Decorated NWO combat operative, heavily injured in shapeshifter attack in 2012. Volunteered for extensive combat cyberization.
Is it just me, or is this profile's notes noticeably less detailed and more vague than everyone else's? Even compared to the other enlightenment 5 guy, which means she's tied for the most enlightened person on the team and implicitly one of the most senior operatives?

Sure, might be nothing, but MJ12 and ES have been hammering the paranoia as important.
 
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Manipulation + Style
Wits + Etiquette or Linguistics
For future consideration, which of these are higher? I'm almost certain it's the first, but best be sure. Unless Rose's stats are actually on display anywhere in the thread, in which case I'm outright leaving because of my own stupidity.
Is it just me, or is this profile's notes noticeably less detailed and more vague than everyone else's? Even compared to the other enlightenment 5 guy, which means she's tied for the most enlightened person on the team and implicitly one of the most senior operatives?

Sure, might be nothing, but MJ12 and ES have been hammering the paranoia as important.
Hmm. Well, what in particular could be the threat from her, if the paranoia runs true? She's the Tyrant's heavy combatant, and was apparently heavily decorated before her entry to the team. So, probably not a normal infiltrator then, or if she is she's playing the longest con.

So. Threat Null? I think it's unlikely. There's no real point where she could be replaced by a clone, and as an E5 individual it would be hard to convert her. Plus she can't have been in the Union for long before the Anomaly, so she can't be a long term Oversight asset either. Would make no sense to pick a rank noob.

Alright then. What about Bastion? Did he redact part of her file? For what reasons? What benefits would it bring him when the Tyrants are already highly classified.

That's all I got, so tl;dr I don't really think it's an issue.
 
Hmm. Well, what in particular could be the threat from her, if the paranoia runs true? She's the Tyrant's heavy combatant, and was apparently heavily decorated before her entry to the team. So, probably not a normal infiltrator then, or if she is she's playing the longest con.

I'm not certain about this, but I'm of the impression that histories can be manufactured. It would be a sort of Time countermagic, I suppose - possibly including some combination of Forces, Correspondence, and Mind to build supporting evidence.
 
But why. That's the bit I'm interested in- it's all good and well to claim there's a possibility of something but what do our enemies (or potential allies) stand to gain? I'd understand if we were wondering about the Tyrants in general, but this is about a somewhat unremarkable member of them, as much as a high level enhancile can be unremarkable.
 
I don't think we get shown the skill dots. If MJ thinks its a valid action he'll tell us what dice to roll.

That's if it gets attempted at all - maintaining the disguise fits either vote but Rose pushing the sensitivity of her hair trigger is less important if the ES plan wins. She'll still want to know what she's dealing but she's not straining for a microsecond's edge.
 
If the TYRANTs detect our magic, how would they do it? Prime and Mind seem the obviously applicable spheres here - are there others I'm missing?
 
Well, if someone gives Rose an in-depth Life/Matter scan to look for Henriette's enhancements, things could get a little bit awkward.
 
Yeah, but if it came down to a choice between the two votes it might be important info.

Remember this vote is actually for Jaron's questions. I'm having him take a more indirect, cautious line of questioning (even though he'd still like to ask "What's up with Jamelia" he doesn't think that's the best way to get the info) which lets me write a more paranoid Rose because that line of questioning shouldn't set paranoid Rose off. ES is having him be more direct and Rose playing damage limitation.


You could have damage limitation Rose dealing with the less direct questions - indeed I've lifted some of ES's dialogue where I think she'd be less on edge. More or less the same information gets exchanged but we don't get to see Rose being Not OK in the same way. Paranoid Rose + Where's Jamelia ends in tears of course.

The main thing I want out of the scene is the Serafina lead.

No one has suggested having Rose come clean about the switch now that Henriette, Wufan and the loot have had a chance to get clear. It may be safer than risking getting found out and make the conversation go smoother. And more likely to include Sera. She'd have no chance of getting away once the Tyrants know who they're dealing with though.
 
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