Yeah, I don't think the laptop is a good lead. Even assuming we can find it, it stands a good chance of taking us back out of the city and using up a bunch of time. And delaying getting to the action has rarely worked out well for us in ES sidequests.

To go into more detail as to why I think the Albanian is the red herring here:

1. Whoever got Liam his computer was clearly fairly wealthy by objective standards, since Talismans don't come cheap;

2. His payment either being in tass or in other methods which means he's probably in deep with a very suspicious group;

3. The fact that Selene wasn't informed. As insular as she is, she shows no signs of being actively anti-modernity in the sense that she goes out and kills people who like indoor plumbing and electronics. Chris and the people who've left the town are examples of that. This is a huge concern because it implies that whatever actions he's taking would embarrass him to the Verbena at least, and probably get him killed at worst. And his actions aren't simply to embrace modernity-he's clearly hiding the technology he has to use and seemed somewhat uncomfortable with it. If he wanted to go high-tech, he could have left and found Janice or done something else. Moreover, something that's capable of resisting direct Technocratic cyberattack from Iteration X is overkill for the majority of purposes. The Technocracy, despite its appearance (as we should all know from having played Jamelia for so long) does not have the resources to spare seriousface computer assets for every random dude who says bad things about them. Ditto for the Virtual Adepts. This, combined with his hiding his activities from Selene, makes me seriously consider "Nephandus" as one of the possible concerns.

4. The Albanian is a black market dealer of sorts. They're not going to want to give up their customers. If it comes down to it, Janice doesn't seem to buy shit from him, and his benefactors do-I find it almost certain that if we go to the Albanian, we're alerting people who are definitely very unfriendly to us, and that leads to potential terrible consequences. They may be Rogue Council, they may be Marauders, it might be Residents, they may be hardliners or rival groups... they may be Infernalists, or they may be Nephandi. A thought for the paranoid: If you were a Nephandus, the ideal position would be a shady black market dealer. You could get a hell of a lot of intelligence that way, and be in a great position to arrange people to do 'favors' which seem harmless in general but add up to help your dark masters. Or if you were a Resident. But really, the same principle applies.

5. Liam probably would have taken his laptop-but where would he have left it? He'd have to have someplace to stay if he's doing long-term trips here and back. He may not have taken it with him. He's not a trained superspy, as the fact that Janice could find his cell phone which didn't explode when someone tried to drag information out of it attests to.

It's possible that he's just learning how to code in his own spare time and is merely becoming a Virtual Adept, but I don't think we should plan on something happy like that. I think going to the Albanian has far more dangerous potential consequences than people are assuming.
 
Because frankly? Two Serafinas who aren't Clockfinas is incredible, even if one is a killer meatrobot that used to be merely pretending to be Serafina.

Wait, no, not "even". "Especially". That's the word.

So much identity crisis.

Oh, come on, what's the worst that could hap-

Alicia: "OMG. You are adorable. Can you see me? No, apparently you can't see me. Well, guess what?"

Serafaker: "Yoink!"

Serafina: "Why did you just say 'yoink'?

Serafaker: "Just bored, Sera. I need a name of my own, I think. How does Deelicia sound?"

-pen?
 
Hmm. I agree with MJ that the Albanian isn't the best choice, but I don't think going after the laptop is a much better one. I do lend credence to his rather concerning theory that we might be dealing with Nephandus activity here; or something else hot enough that it would get Liam killed if anyone - even Selene, who by all accounts is fairly chill - found out about it.
 
I do lend credence to his rather concerning theory that we might be dealing with Nephandus activity here; or something else hot enough that it would get Liam killed if anyone - even Selene, who by all accounts is fairly chill - found out about it.

And here I thought him being disappeared by the Chalice was unlikely.
 
The Albanian is a lead. He's a pretty significant lead. He's nearby, he shouldn't consume too much time, and if we go in with the werewolf and let her take the lead (which she's inclined to do anyway) we can sit in the background and see if we can pick up some useful information. If nothing else... well, he might not be willing to talk about Liam directly, but questioning along the lines of "You sell this Whisper 3 thing. What is it, and why would I want one? I'd thought that the 'crats were mostly chill these days." might give us a lead on who Liam was scared of. It's really very natural for arms dealers to tell people about the large, shadowy threats out there in an effort to get people to buy their products. We're also a mage with some pretty significant spheres. We can learn stuff by going into his shop jut by looking around... and if he goes all evil and attacks us, then we have a friendly werewolf nearby.

How is this plan not better than "no plan"?

Mind you, a Corr ritual of "find Liam's laptop" is probably also worth doing. There's a good chance it won't turn up anything, but it might, and if it does, that's another place to go look. Problem is that we really don't have a particularly good correspondence link to it to search with. On the other hand, if we go talk with the Albanian *first*, and ask him about his high-end computational options, we can see what one looks like and maybe hold it in our hands. That'll give us a much better idea of what we're looking for.
 
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The little annex kitchen of the hotel room has become the impromptu office space of the team, and as a result the next morning everyone is gathered there for two purposes. Firstly, they are having breakfast. Secondly, Rose has a proposal for them.

"Okay, okay!" Rose says brightly. Her disgustingly sugary brightly coloured cereal is already finished, as is her hot chocolate and the half pack of butter she ate for lack of proper high-energy-density nutrition supplements. "Now, if everyone could just settle down…"

"There's only three of us," Henriette points out, wrapped up in a big fluffy jumper and holding a mug of black coffee. She's fiddling with some flash-printed microchips in front of her, a cable running from her headset into the hardware.

"I know, but I just need to get things underway," Rose continues. She gestures to the laptop beside her. "I made a briefing and everything."

"I know you did," Henriette says. "I had to spend half an hour yesterday trying to explain to you how to use templates and I really have no clue how you managed to-"

"Now, if everyone could just settle down," Rose said more loudly, "I have my slides on the operation proposal I've devised in front of me." She rummaged through her bag. "Here's the text copy," she said, passing it to Donald, "but I thought I'd explain the summary and field questions."

Wufan sits back, no emotion at all readable in his eyes. He has his hands folded on his lap, and he had inhaled his food almost as quickly as Rose did. "Go on," he says neutrally. "I'm listening."

Running her hands through her night-black hair, Rose purses blood-red lips and takes a breath. "The previous plan to have me assume the role of a haemophage will not work," she says, trying to not let her voice quaver. She hates admitting to defects. "My morphovariant biological systems are damaged and working irregularly due to damage I took in the Demise, and I have not had access to the proper Progenitor labs to verify the integrity of several other high-end systems. At the moment, I cannot assume any other human appearance and while I should be able to bring them back online again within a few days, I cannot guarantee that they won't malfunction again."

"Paaaaaaaradox," observes Thorn from the mirror behind the others, leaning on the kitchen counter. She's only wearing a baggy t-shirt, has mussed hair and looks hung over. The fact that she's apparently drinking beer along with her breakfast doesn't help matters.

"To that end," Rose continues, ignoring the hallucination, "I have come up with a new plan that… I hope you'll consider."

She taps the mouse, and accidentally minimises the window.

"Um."

"Press F5 to show it as a slideshow," Henriette says with a yawn and a mouth half-full of cereal.

"Oh, right, thank you! Uh… oh yes, there it is. Okay. Yes. Okay. Uh… yes. Here we go."

Donald winces. Apparently Damage Control doesn't teach PowerPoint, at least to the combat constructs.

"We have two problems at the moment," Rose says, as the screen shows THE PROBLEM in big red letters. "We need access to Union networks so we can use it without people knowing what we're doing, because we don't have enough intel - and the higher, the better. The fake Serafina is formally in charge of Amalgam-451, because their fake Director Belltower heads up a different Amalgam, which means she'll have Director-level access. It will probably be restricted, but even if she isn't really Serafina, she'll still have to be very clever to pass as her, which means she can contribute to the Union as a Director even if she won't do it as well as Sera could.

"But! We also have the problem that our allies and friends might be fooled that she's really Sera, and that'd be really bad! They'll be able to use that against us! So we also should try to neutralise the threat that her and her influence and her ability to use our contacts poses."

"We're agreed on that," Donald says, feeling slightly relieved that Rose managed to catch her stumble after the initial problems with the screen. "So what's your proposal?"

Rose taps the mouse, and CAT-A TYPE-3 CONSTRUCT ACUTE PERSONALITY REJECTION DISORDER comes spiralling in with a comic boing.

"As a FACADE facsimile which is engineered to pass as a transhuman modified senior technocrat liable to be exposed to RED threat detector sources, standard protocol would be to ensure that the MUSE-category personality mesh - which is probably a FALSE EIDOLON subtype but I'm not sure about that - is composed of an active self-integrity component with EGO verisimilitude and a passive underlying SUPEREGO which carries the mission information which the EGO is not permitted to know and can assume perfunctory control in response to appropriate stimuli. Through exposure to appropriate stimuli and dissociative drugs, an Ashford Inversion can occur and the EGO becomes dominant over the SUPEREGO, removing the monitoring authority of the Ego in a classic locked-in phenomenon. Knowing Serafina as I do, her behaviour thereafter as the EGO locked in a dominant position without SUPEREGO monitoring will be predictable and can be guided," Rose says cheerfully.

Donald and Henriette stare at Rose. "Uh," Donald says. "Could you maybe downgrade the explanation for those of us who aren't biologists? Or, you know, Progenitors?"

"Interesting," says Wufan, clinically. He drums his fingers on the desk. "Which dissociative drug?"

Rose turns to face him. "Assuming the duplicate is a combat construct like the one observed before, I'd really need a more detailed analysis of her to know which of the narrow-spectrum compounds I could select would work. If she was baseline, this would be trivial to compute, but without more detail I can't tailor something without risking her likely wide-band immunities would trigger on them."

"And stimuli?"

"She's my mother figure. I know her routine, her personality, and the fact that if she undergoes such an inversion and suspects that she's not the primary personality, her response will likely be to find an excuse to meet up with Alexander Cross from Damage Control."

"She'll go straight to Ethical Compliance?"

"I believe so."

"Role as a distraction?" Wufan asks, leaning forwards. His eyes gleam, and he's skipping words. There's something very cold about him here. Rose briefly contemplates the irony that despite the fact he's the one with the least cybernetics of any of them at the table, he's the most machine-like one here.

"Yes. If it works, they won't be able to just replace her, unlike if we terminated her."

"Hmm. Expensive to cover up," Wufan says, pondering out loud, albeit tersely. "What if Ethical Compliance is compromised?"

Rose purses her lips. "It can't be too obvious," she says. She doesn't want to think about the risk that Alexander might be… might have had done to him what the Anathema did to her. But it's a risk. "Ethical Compliance is frequently vetted because of its role."

"Who else might she go to?"

"She's not close to her parents," Rose says. "I can't think of anyone she trusts more than Cross who she won't suspect. Their false Director Belltower, for example, will be the prime suspect for this sort of thing." She frowns. "She might also suspect herself," she admits. "I don't know what she'd do if she thought she might have left a duplicate in her own place. But I think she'll link it to the assault on the construct, so she won't trust anyone else who might have been replaced."

Wufan cracks his knuckles. "Workable," he says laconically.

"It's not guaranteed," Rose admits. "Even if we successfully induce the personality self-realisation, there's always the risk that she gets taken up by whatever monitoring they have on her. Or just bad luck that they happen to have a check-up on her when she's undergoing the trauma and they catch and avert it. Or the risk of Cross being compromised you raised." She swallows. "That's why the first stage of the plan is to acquire the biological samples. Even this idea is non-viable, we'll need them if I can get my morphovariant systems back online and am to assume her identity. After that, we can consider the viability of dosing her with low levels of dissociative drugs and subjecting her to stressful situations to induce a breakdown in the monitoring of the shell personality."

***​

"Rose." Donald speaks softly. The other two have already left to acquire a vehicle. "What made you think of that scheme?"

She shrugs. "It's just the most viable way of eliminating the threat from the fake," she says. "That I could think of, at least."

"Is it?" he asks.

"Yes."

He looks at her, eyes sad and slightly wary. "Well, I hope it works," he says eventually, shoulders slumping.

She can read him. Easily. He's thinking that she's doing it partly because she wants to make someone who's nearly Serafina suffer through what she went through herself. Which is nonsense. She's not cruel. She doesn't want revenge.

"And look how you leap at the idea that you might want revenge," Thorn observes, polishing her claw-like nails. "There's a little bit of you who is jealous of dear old Mama. You two are more alike than you both think, and it makes it hurt more. The way that she was grown in a vat too, but she never had to kill people when she was little. The way that you were both sculpted for beauty, but for her sexuality is a fun little thing while for you it's a question of predators and victims."

Rose really wants to strangle Thorn right now. More than usual, that is.

"If you want to know the truth," she says softly, leaning towards Donald and pitching her voice huskily, "at least some of the reason was that I was looking for a way which meant I might not have to kill her. I… I know she's a fake. But I don't want to be in a place where she might plead for her life and I might pause and put you in danger."

Donald perks up at that. "I understand," he says, reaching forwards and giving her shoulder a squeeze. "Hmm. Biological samples, biological samples. Ideally we want fingerprints as well as DNA, which… hmm. Fingerprints on a wineglass, I think."

"I notice that his first go-to plan involves alcohol," Thorn says archly.

"I notice that your first go-to plan involves alcohol," Rose repeats, on the grounds that while it is a bit mean, it's also quite funny.

"Bitch, stop stealing my lines."

Donald looks slightly hurt and then chuckles. "I deserved that. But seriously. This wouldn't be the first person's biometric data I've picked up from glasses. People leave fingerprints, lip-prints and DNA on them. In one of my first amalgams, we had a Progenitor on-team who insisted we pick them up for everyone we had dinner meetings with." He sighs. "Otherwise they wouldn't approve our expenses for business lunches."

"Such cruelty!" Rose says with wide-eyed ingenue innocence.

"I know," Donald says miserably.
 
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Delivery methods, delivery methods... hmm.

How quickly could Wufan learn to mix drinks? A bartender would have plenty of opportunity to enact our plan without being suspicious (ie. make an extended mind roll by slipping drugs into her drinks), and if they're busy enough, Serafaker can't draw him into conversations where her Manipulation and Intelligence matter. If Rose is on-site, her not having Correspondence doesn't matter, though her being entirely too pretty means we'd have to keep her out of sight.

"I notice that his first go-to plan involves alcohol," Thorn says archly.

"I notice that your first go-to plan involves alcohol," Rose repeats, on the grounds that while it is a bit mean, it's also quite funny.

Thorn is a terrible influence. And Rose's PowerPoint is... just terrible.
 
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The Albanian probably could tell us more about Liam's backers, but on the flipside he's unlikely to tell us unless we use Mind tricks to drag the information out of him (with a likely focus of beat the shit out of him).

That said, we do have a couple of other leads; the Verbena who Janice met a few months back. She has an imaginary number, an in with one of the other groups. If she hasn't dropped off the grid like Liam, we might be able to find her and do some subtle prodding with Mind. She's not a shadowy black market dealer, and so probably has less protections against this sort of thing.

The last phone call also gave us a meeting place. We could go to the Constitution and try to snoop around the place. Luke might be able to do Time things to reconstruct whatever happened there, though his lack of correspondence and ritualist paradigm might be a problem here.
 
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If Rose is on-site, her not having Correspondence doesn't matter, though her being entirely too pretty means we'd have to keep her out of sight.

Rose: "Well, what would Director Belltower do?"

Henriette: "You are not wearing a burkha! That's really culturally insensitive!"

Rose: "... I was thinking more about wearing very ugly make-up which provides me with a negative modifier to my Appearance and using mundane disguises and wearing really frumpy and baggy clothes and maintaining a different posture. You know, the things which has people going 'she'd be pretty, if she didn't dress like that'. Oh! I wonder if I could have the make-up make it look like I have acne scars under it!"

Henriette: "... oh."

Rose: "What did you think I was talking about?"

Henriette: "Sh-shut up!"
 
Rose: "Well, what would Director Belltower do?"

Henriette: "You are not wearing a burkha! That's really culturally insensitive!"

Rose: "... I was thinking more about wearing very ugly make-up which provides me with a negative modifier to my Appearance and using mundane disguises and wearing really frumpy and baggy clothes and maintaining a different posture. You know, the things which has people going 'she'd be pretty, if she didn't dress like that'. Oh! I wonder if I could have the make-up make it look like I have acne scars under it!"

Henriette: "... oh."

Rose: "What did you think I was talking about?"

Henriette: "Sh-shut up!"

#ProgenitorProblems
 
Actually, a burka would be a pretty effective dress for concealing Rose's appearance.

Though if Serafaker's going to be inside a bar, it definitely won't work as a disguise.

And it just occurred to me that with Serafaker, that's another party member with a doppelganger. First Henrietta, then Jamelia/Clock/Jameliabot/etc, and now Serafina (also Donald, but his clone tragically exploded).

EDIT: I was thinking for the Albanian, we could visit them with the entirely legitimate excuse of looking into getting an untraceable phone for Selene.
 
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Okay, the Janice vote is now hopelessly confused. There are arguments against both sides; going for the laptop may be a pointless sidequest and the Albanian is a professional who may not want to answer any questions (and who will likely have consequences for forcing them out of him). So. I'm going to propose Plan 3, Plan Harder; Plan Trippy Dream Vision Quest.

[X] This stuff isn't directly relevant towards finding Liam and if he's in trouble, they need to find him fast. Time to refocus.
-> [X] Janice took some of his hair, so she can take things to the astral plane and search for his mind there which probably won't be warded in the same way. She can do this in her own place, with her familiar to watch over her, too.
--> [X] And see if she can convince Chris and Lili to tag along on her Mind 4 spell, too. They'll be good backup, and Lili may well want to look into whatever is nasty enough that this guy is going so overboard to hide it from even the possibility of someone finding out about it. Especially since it's happening in her city. If Janice mentions the incredibly powerful Weaver spirit roaming around, that might convince her further that it needs checking out.

So. Like the others, this plan has upsides and downsides. I will proceed to make a case that the former outweigh the latter:

Upsides: This lets Janice keep her body somewhere relatively safe, with Luke to protect it. If Chris and Lili both come along, it means we have some backup, and the chances of being caught in another Spy's Demise are actually pretty unlikely - it wasn't there for her, and she's only really relevant to it as a loose end. It means we get more Chris and Lili, both of whom I like (yes this is shameless personal appeal), and it means that we get a see a proper magical trippy dream vision quest, which I feel should occur from a Traditions point at least once given how many 'Crat ones we've seen already. It's also got a decent chance of working, or at least of changing the problem into one that Janice's spheres are better suited to handle. Problem Alchemy, whee!
Downsides: In the grand tradition of making problems for ourselves so that the QM doesn't make them for us; I'm partly suggesting Chris comes along because as an astral mind-projection separate from her body and blood, she has to fall back on her backup focus. Which is the demon in her hair; allowing both cool visuals and things going amusingly wrong if Paradox backlaaaaaash. It also means that we get trippy dream vision quest obstacles instead of gritty urban street witch detective ones, which ES may use to bring up some of Janice's Past Life stuff. Not sure if Lili will go for it, but if she does, she adds a dimension of interesting to things.
 
Well, i already voted for the Dreamquest the first time it came up, so...

[X] This stuff isn't directly relevant towards finding Liam and if he's in trouble, they need to find him fast. Time to refocus.
-> [X] Janice took some of his hair, so she can take things to the astral plane and search for his mind there which probably won't be warded in the same way. She can do this in her own place, with her familiar to watch over her, too.
--> [X] And see if she can convince Chris and Lili to tag along on her Mind 4 spell, too. They'll be good backup, and Lili may well want to look into whatever is nasty enough that this guy is going so overboard to hide it from even the possibility of someone finding out about it. Especially since it's happening in her city. If Janice mentions the incredibly powerful Weaver spirit roaming around, that might convince her further that it needs checking out.
 
[X] We're off to see the Albanian, the wonderful Albanian of probably not Albania...
-> [x] With Lili as backup both technical and feral. And Mind 4 wards against her vulnerabilities.
--> [x] "Aren't the 'Crats mostly mellow these days?" Get a free threat briefing with each upselling attempt.
---> [x] Try to handle a Whisper 3 to help with our later scrying.
----> [X] check for tails when we leave.
-----> [x] Then back to the basement to scry and astrally project. If Lili hasn't been our guest before then don't bring her home with us now.
 
The Albanian is a lead. He's a pretty significant lead. He's nearby, he shouldn't consume too much time, and if we go in with the werewolf and let her take the lead (which she's inclined to do anyway) we can sit in the background and see if we can pick up some useful information. If nothing else... well, he might not be willing to talk about Liam directly, but questioning along the lines of "You sell this Whisper 3 thing. What is it, and why would I want one? I'd thought that the 'crats were mostly chill these days." might give us a lead on who Liam was scared of. It's really very natural for arms dealers to tell people about the large, shadowy threats out there in an effort to get people to buy their products. We're also a mage with some pretty significant spheres. We can learn stuff by going into his shop jut by looking around... and if he goes all evil and attacks us, then we have a friendly werewolf nearby.

Do you know what I'd call a werewolf in a mage's sanctum when the mage clearly has a lot of important stuff that people haven't tried to rip off yet? A rug-in-waiting. As a black market dealer with access to Talismans, who is apparently selling to Technocratic-hostile forces, if "one werewolf" was anything resembling a threat to him, someone would have murdered him and taken his stuff a long, long time ago.

Janice has only very recently graduated from the street-level mage game where a single HITMark and some combat synth backup is a huge threat which shows that you've made the Technocracy very very angry and should lay low. The escape from Jamelia's former construct, where Kessler nuked an entire fireteam of HITMarks in a single action, should tell you the difference here. We're playing the low-level game where a werewolf pack is a huge problem (rather than the mooks you wipe out in a drive because I was bored). If we assume that we can do what Jamelia's amalgam does, Janice is going to die. Probably horribly.

[X] We're off to see the Albanian, the wonderful Albanian of probably not Albania...
-> [x] With Lili as backup both technical and feral. And Mind 4 wards against her vulnerabilities.
--> [x] "Aren't the 'Crats mostly mellow these days?" Get a free threat briefing with each upselling attempt.
---> [x] Try to handle a Whisper 3 to help with our later scrying.
----> [X] check for tails when we leave.
-----> [x] Then back to the basement to scry and astrally project. If Lili hasn't been our guest before then don't bring her home with us now.

This sort of "write-in to do literally everything plan" is the kind of thing I loathe and @EarthScorpion dislikes even more. Spreading yourself thin is a great way to lead to failing at every endeavor.

Okay, the Janice vote is now hopelessly confused. There are arguments against both sides; going for the laptop may be a pointless sidequest and the Albanian is a professional who may not want to answer any questions (and who will likely have consequences for forcing them out of him). So. I'm going to propose Plan 3, Plan Harder; Plan Trippy Dream Vision Quest.

[X] This stuff isn't directly relevant towards finding Liam and if he's in trouble, they need to find him fast. Time to refocus.
-> [X] Janice took some of his hair, so she can take things to the astral plane and search for his mind there which probably won't be warded in the same way. She can do this in her own place, with her familiar to watch over her, too.
--> [X] And see if she can convince Chris and Lili to tag along on her Mind 4 spell, too. They'll be good backup, and Lili may well want to look into whatever is nasty enough that this guy is going so overboard to hide it from even the possibility of someone finding out about it. Especially since it's happening in her city. If Janice mentions the incredibly powerful Weaver spirit roaming around, that might convince her further that it needs checking out.

So. Like the others, this plan has upsides and downsides. I will proceed to make a case that the former outweigh the latter:

Upsides: This lets Janice keep her body somewhere relatively safe, with Luke to protect it. If Chris and Lili both come along, it means we have some backup, and the chances of being caught in another Spy's Demise are actually pretty unlikely - it wasn't there for her, and she's only really relevant to it as a loose end. It means we get more Chris and Lili, both of whom I like (yes this is shameless personal appeal), and it means that we get a see a proper magical trippy dream vision quest, which I feel should occur from a Traditions point at least once given how many 'Crat ones we've seen already. It's also got a decent chance of working, or at least of changing the problem into one that Janice's spheres are better suited to handle. Problem Alchemy, whee!
Downsides: In the grand tradition of making problems for ourselves so that the QM doesn't make them for us; I'm partly suggesting Chris comes along because as an astral mind-projection separate from her body and blood, she has to fall back on her backup focus. Which is the demon in her hair; allowing both cool visuals and things going amusingly wrong if Paradox backlaaaaaash. It also means that we get trippy dream vision quest obstacles instead of gritty urban street witch detective ones, which ES may use to bring up some of Janice's Past Life stuff. Not sure if Lili will go for it, but if she does, she adds a dimension of interesting to things.

Janice only has Mind 4, and thus she can only astrally project herself. If she had Mind 5, she could remove the consciousness of Chris and Lili if she chose, but she doesn't have it.

Do note that the Mind 5 version is probably something you may not want to do to your friends. Because it's basically what Ms. Clock did to Jamelia way back when.
 
Janice has only very recently graduated from the street-level mage game where a single HITMark and some combat synth backup is a huge threat which shows that you've made the Technocracy very very angry and should lay low. The escape from Jamelia's former construct, where Kessler nuked an entire fireteam of HITMarks in a single action, should tell you the difference here. We're playing the low-level game where a werewolf pack is a huge problem (rather than the mooks you wipe out in a drive because I was bored). If we assume that we can do what Jamelia's amalgam does, Janice is going to die. Probably horribly.
Is she? I mean, this is me being a really, really bad person at understanding mechanics, but when I saw the presentation of Janice's spheres I thought "Holy Shit she looks stronger than most of the Amalgam until they had their seekings, if not after".

I guess I am missing something crucial though.
 
Is she? I mean, this is me being a really, really bad person at understanding mechanics, but when I saw the presentation of Janice's spheres I thought "Holy Shit she looks stronger than most of the Amalgam until they had their seekings, if not after".

I guess I am missing something crucial though.

That's her post Spy's Demise.

She has similar-ish XP gains from that that Rose and Donald got.
 
It will be interesting to see how her new power alters her position in the nebulous Tradition power structure. I suspect that the choices that she makes in the course of this investigation will prove very significant in shaping her future position and status.
 
Is she? I mean, this is me being a really, really bad person at understanding mechanics, but when I saw the presentation of Janice's spheres I thought "Holy Shit she looks stronger than most of the Amalgam until they had their seekings, if not after".

I guess I am missing something crucial though.

She's gotten all of this via the Spy's Demise, which was basically Hell Month on Hell Steroids. Moreover, I suspect that unlike the majority of Jamelia's amalgam, she isn't an expert in the field of applied violence (8d+ pools).

Wufan and Jamelia, for example, both have a ~9d pool in applied violence. This makes him one of the weaker combatants in the party. Nevertheless, before any magic is taken into account, both of them are literally the kinds of single people who get Medals of Honor or similar awards for doing ridiculous stuff that gets edited down in their autobiographical film, because it's too absurd. And remember, in the party, we actually treat them both as not 'real' combatants. Despite the fact that they're commonly armed with fairly good Technocratic gear, which is a sight better than what Traditions magi can commonly get unless they're in one of the really dedicated combat groups (which is typically black market guns and equipment).

I wonder how high Chris's fighting pools are, but I suspect they may well be quite a bit lower than that.
 
Doesn't Jamelia with her augments have something like an 11d pool for shooting people In the face? Or is she some kind of scrub who doesn't have Firearms 5 to complement her Dex 6-7 whatever the fuck her dex actually is. But yeah that really just illustrates MJ'S point even better lol.
 
Doesn't Jamelia with her augments have something like an 11d pool for shooting people In the face? Or is she some kind of scrub who doesn't have Firearms 5 to complement her Dex 6-7 whatever the fuck her dex actually is. But yeah that really just illustrates MJ'S point even better lol.

Yeah, she gets an autosuccess from Legendary Dex and has relevant specialties.

Nevertheless, you don't treat her or Wufan as actual fighty types, which should tell you something. :p
 
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