[jk]singlehandedly causing friend computer so much damage it started calling me the devil
-[Jk] while laying the groundwork for moving past the current need for your inept attempts at conspiracy

More seriously, what did Harlan call the medical terminology for void adaption? Because just saying that name then shutting up would be a fairly good reply
 
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Exactly my point. If they don't want us to run space missions they shouldn't run a conspiracy without NWO.

The NWO's remit is social and governmental manipulation, not conspiracies. Everyone is allowed to have conspiracies.

It's just that outside of the Syndicate, who outsourced that to the SPD, and Iteration X, whose Machine Cult was sort of a conspiracy but doesn't really count given how public they were with the whole "Flesh's an inconvenience now. Nothing more. We are all machine men," people didn't tend to use that allowance much. Instead, they had small groups who did their own thing as a conspiracy.

Or did they.
 
Damned if I know which way to go with the Void Engineers. Although I'm thinking we might want to give IBM a quick call and see if they can at least attend via Skype, because I'm not sure we can get out of this without revealing their existence; our plan depends at least in part on their assets, and the Void Engineers know enough about our current status to know that there's no way in hell we could have gotten that stuff through normal channels.

The problem with letting the Void Engineers do their thing is that I doubt they'll try to evacuate the Demise before they slag it from orbit, and we kind of want to get Donald and Rose out of there alive.

The second part of the vote, however, I do have an opinion on:

The Virtual Adept Response:
Elsa, meanwhile, has been assigned to talk to the Virtual Adepts. Their response is...
[X] Gung-ho.
[ ] Cautious.
[ ] Skeptical.
[X] No Fucking Way!

Yes, there's a reason I'm picking this combo. On the one hand, they'll want payback for their dead friends, for the damage to the Web, and for making them look like amateurs in their own area of expertise. On the other hand, the Anathema fucking terrifies them. If we can give them a plan, they'll back us, but only if that plan is perfect.
 
It seems like "Hey, do you really want me to come clean right here in front of these two?" should be part of a valid response.
Yeah that does seem like a good idea. Something along the lines of, "I know enough enough about the MUSCOVITES to know that there's more to it than official story, that you know that as well, I agree with you for as to why you feel the cover story is necessary, and maybe we should just leave it at that while around these other guys."
 
Yeah that does seem like a good idea. Something along the lines of, "I know enough enough about the MUSCOVITES to know that there's more to it than official story, that you know that as well, I agree with you for as to why you feel the cover story is necessary, and maybe we should just leave it at that while around these other guys."
The problem with that is that Eisenberg certainly knows already, given that she's been out fighting Threat Null, and Bowman almost certainly knows as well. Brandon may or may not know, but if the VEs are okay with having him in the room then he probably does.

EDIT: And since Jamelia is very experienced with these kinds of situations, she'll know that they all know, and they'll know that she knows that they know that everyone else in the room already knows. (Who says you need to be NWO to be ~nwo~?)
 
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We also need to make sure to showcase if we talk about it that IBM is not a Autopolitan fifth cell that used commands codes on us.
Or that were themselves subverted by the Autopolitans. Really, "Autochthonian refugees" is an incredibly suspicious concept, especially if the Autochthonia rescue mission went as badly as it did in the original timeline.
 
The problem with that is that Eisenberg certainly knows already, given that she's been out fighting Threat Null, and Bowman almost certainly knows as well. Brandon may or may not know, but if the VEs are okay with having him in the room then he probably does.
Why are you assuming that Bowman knows? Remember, the higher-ups of the Traditions are also keeping the truth about TN very close to their chest, as in it is only need to know basis because otherwise they might trigger a civil war in the Union which would be bad. There is no guarantee that Bowman knows.
 
Note that Ms. Bowman showed up in an interlude before. It doesn't appear she knows about Panopticon nor would she want to know more about the Muscovites if she knew what they really were.
 
An Unexpected Surprise:
So. You have been confronted by the Void Engineers. Who clearly have been listening in on what you've been doing. Better talk fast!
[X] (0.5x) Come clean.

We're not going to get a lot of better opportunities than the VEs listening and ready to go on this. Though in front of two Traditionalists? Seems like the VEs have decided the Union/Traditions thing is less important than Threat Null.

The Virtual Adept Response:
Elsa, meanwhile, has been assigned to talk to the Virtual Adepts. Their response is...
[X] Cautious.

They've been burned before on this. They're going to be hesitant, but also aware of just how big a threat this is.
They're not going to reeducate us, a Senior Operative is a lot different from a teenaged pilot.
Henriette is not a 14. She's 20.
 
Okay, I think this is a test in another way. The VEs may well want to see if Jamelia and co can keep a secret too, because this is ultra-high-classified and they don't want anyone in on it who might blab. So coming clean straight off, especially in front of non-Technocrats, indicates you may well be a security risk. And anyway, for Jamelia Belltower - paranoid NWO murderer - to come clean, it probably indicates it's too good to be true and therefore she may be compromised. It's out of character for her.

Plus, we can't waive the danger that this VE thing may be an Agency false flag. Fucking Agency.

So? What to do. I think it's a good idea to make sure they think they know more than we know, and make sure we know that they think we know less than we know. And of course, the less we have to lie directly, the better.

Hmm.

Well, first things first, there's no way we're talking about this in front of a Shadow Minister. They're the enemy, and we can't forget that. So this only gets mentioned in private.

Hmm. Then? Is it time to break out the Next Step Cover story? Namely, the "Why didn't you tell us the Computer went rogue and compromised Control codes?" one. The same story which Jamelia initially did think, too. And her actions all make sense if you think she thinks that the Computer is rogue and is abusing Control codes. It also means that Jamelia - as a paranoid old Grey Woman - is exactly the sort who's willing to 'technically go rogue'... especially when she has a hyperpsych expert (Serafina) on team. And Sera's a hyperpysch expert who the Void Engineers know (thanks to her breakdown in front of Elsa) has been acting erratically post Moscow and hasn't been able to rationalise things as doing it for Greater Good - the kind of behaviour someone might be showing if she Deprogrammed herself post-Moscow on her boss's orders. And Sera is also a genius who can help Jamelia put the evidence together.

It works well with what people know about Jamelia's personality, too. "Low tech", prefers simple solutions, if you read between the lines she - like a lot of NWO sorts - never trusted the Computer so suspecting that it might have gone rogue comes naturally to these kinds of people.

So. The MUSCOVITEs are the forces of the Rogue Computer. It uses high end Iteration X hardware. Jamelia knows that this... this thing out there is some ultrahigh-end Iteration X machine and that means it's a master of the Digital Web.

The question is how the Engineers will act if they see someone has got "most of the way there" to working things out - and even if she's apparently doing the right things to avoid being affected by the Computer (which also protects you against the rest of Threat Null), what they will do?

...

Anyway

The other vote:
[ ] Gung-ho.
They're going to be rash and underestimating the trouble. We're likely going to get plenty of help from that quarter, but discipline will be a problem and losses will result - especially when the plan involves falling back at a critical moment.

[ ] Cautious.
This worries me. It seems too much like the obvious party-helping thing, and that means it's probably a trap, because I can't see the obvious challenge here. They're being too helpful by being sensibly cautious-yet-willing-to-join, so, like, there's probably some brain-hacked Anathema slave in their ranks or something.

[ ] Skeptical.
I suspect this means Jamelia's rep is working against her because of the whole untrustworthy NWOery. The main work here will be getting the Virtual Adepts on board and selling them on the plan while avoiding info-leakage. On the other hand, the people you get in will probably be solidly onboard, because they've been sold on the idea and they're therefore now somewhat committed to it. I'm leaning towards this one, because we can see where the challenge is. On the other hand, having to sell them on it risks information leakage, and that's bad when you consider what our actual plan is.

[ ] No Fucking Way!
They're outright against joining. Probably no help from that quarter. Might also be a source of info on the Anathema from them, as they explain exactly why the fuck they're not joining and why it's stupid and you're all suicidal and you might be 'Crats, but you're all going to die. Also somewhat inclined towards this one, because we do have quite a bit of manpower onboard, but information on the actual capabilities of the Anathema is something we're really lacking on. Just a warning about its Marauder field would be worth its weight in gold.

Hmm.

Based on that, I'm going to provisionally vote for:

[X] No Fucking Way!

They're likely to explain to Elsa, as an ex-VA, why she's utterly nuts to be doing that, and with the plan we're using I think information on its capabilities and the killing field it's using is probably the most critical thing. In the Digital Web, "Knowledge is power" isn't just a metaphor, and going in blind against this monster is the best way for it to snarl up our plan. We want to stick to the plan, and that means being very precise with what we do and avoiding going in blind.

Plus, when people do get rescued, Elsa can be very understanding and not at all rub people's faces in the humble pie.

EDIT: Basically, I think that as you go down the list, they know more and more about what the Anathema is, and thus are more and more scared shitless by it. Like any sensible human would be. Because holy shit that motherfucker is terrifying and if you're gung-ho about it, that means you must have almost no useful information at all.
 
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An Unexpected Surprise:
[] Feed them just a little more information. (What kind?)
Dr. Rosario put my mind back together after Moscow. This let me start to remember things that I had been made to forget, about HELMETSHRIKE and actions against fellow Technocrats. Control was never as unified as they acted. A member of Control used the Dimensional Anomaly to kill or subvert the others and in doing so has betrayed the Union. This must remain secret because many Technocrats would follow the surviving traitors instead of the Union's principles, which would cause the current civil war to expand.
...In my head there was a bit less "it's only okay when we do it", this is almost begging for the commodore ask if it would be betraying the Union's principles if an NWO member of Control had taken over instead of the hypothetical Iterator.*

The Virtual Adept Response:
[X] No Fucking Way!
The VAs can think of more entertaining ways to commit suicide. Elsa will hopefully get some of them to explain why they consider it suicide.
I almost died last week
>be me
>owe way too much to too many people
>be invited to join a group collecting Mr. A's rescue bounty
>hell yeah there's like 10 leet guys, this is a piece of cake
>transition into an adjacent sector
>looks clear
>charge in loaded with the deadliest programs and glitch cascades you've seen
>right after squid
>squid pops into sparkling polygons
>inference 2.a.0.2 loads my short-term memory with info
>the thing had set an environment string to cause an overflow when converted to Enochian
>overflow clobbered some settings in the then newest version of MetaICE
>fancy exploits were pointed at their own heads
>boom
>it didn't get me because I hadn't updated MetaICE yet
>hit flash exit button
>blackout for 2 days


I woke up and got my kit out just before some techno spook arranged a power outage on my location. Anyone know what that thing was, I thought it was proven that Enochian programing avoided stuff like overflows and race conditions by its very nature.

* Jamelia: If the NWO had seized control of Control you wouldn't notice any difference.
 
[X] (0.2x) Let the Void Engineers handle the problem and step out of it.
-[X] (+0.8x) And then sneak in via moon bridge to rescue Donald.
[X] Skeptical.
 
An Unexpected Surprise:
[x] Feed them just a little more information. (What kind?)

Not sure what I'd like to see for the details on this, but I don't think this is the place to spill everything. Earthscorpion's pointed out several of the reasons for this already.

That said, we do want them involved in some capacity at some point, and we'd like to avoid lying to them for reasons we can't convince them were legitimate.

The Virtual Adept Response:
[x] No Fucking Way!

More people means more coordination issues and more potential leaks. Meanwhile, information is very valuable.
 
[X] Hell the fuck damn no!
-[X] You're insane if you think you can even log onto the same sector as that thing- it's a fractal trinary intersticial waveform, the likes of which we've never seen. An alien god overpowering the machine. It doesn't care if you're an icon, if you've just got a headset and a couple keyboards, it'll still backhack you, fry your system, and jack your brain- look, you can have my rig. It's got logs of the whole thing, and I ain't gonna need it. Maybe you'll realize this is a fool's errand once you've had some time to go over the data.
--[X] Okay, look, there's only one man who might be able to help you- Aryan Spice- yes, I know, don't laugh, the guy's a legend. Wrote the book on the Digital Web. If anyone's got a shot at going against that thing, it's him.
 
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[X] No Fucking Way!

Tempting though it might be to get Traditionalist cannon fodder for an assault like this, we should keep in mind that not only is actionable intelligence likely to be more valuable given the battleground, the enemy literally eats mages for breakfast. Breakfast and tasty powerups. Quality is more important than quantity, here.
 
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