I'm wondering, where is our end goal with all this? The only way we are really going to get Panopticon to stop hunting Alice down is to make it politically unacceptable for them to continue doing so.

Running and hiding won't work, unless we keep it up indefinitely. We tried it already, and Panopticon picked up the scent again. Destroying their assets? Panopticon has no shortage of materiel to throw at us, and Control itself wants Serafina dead, so making it too expensive to continue the hunt isn't going to work.

(Funny that the operation is named DELENDA EST, there)

We need to get Sera back on the Union grid at some point, with Alice in tow. Get in touch with Sera's ex-boyfriend, perhaps.

Panopticon can do many things, but openly charging into a Construct to shoot the daughter of a high ranking Progenitor without any justification is not one of them.

Also, Yinzheng isn't in the know about many things, and Ms Clock isn't available to reassure her that yes, Serafina Rosario is a traitor and needs to be killed.

We've already found Alice, so if we can delay Panopticon long enough to convince her to turn herself into the (non-Panopticon) Union and then get her to safety...

This is also why I want to set things up to pin the subversion of 391 on Panopticon, if possible. An angry, high ranking Progenitor asking questions and making a huge fuss should hopefully hamstring their operation, even if it's only for a little while. We were never going to be able to hide Serafina's subversion of the amalgam anyways.

The only thing is to obfuscate things so it doesn't eventually get traced back to Sera.
 
Not just the sidequest. Her entire time in Damien too... and Alice knew it.
Alicia is an invisible friend for the entire quest, Serafina has never been seeing what matches what other peoples would see when Alicia is involved. Alicia's actions in this sidequest isn't anything new.
No, not that. I mean that she's also been seeing the Vanessa that Alicia's inhabiting differently to what it actually looks like - and from what Ceelicia said, that's not necessarily the only thing she's seeing differently.
 
Update CXXXIX: Paranoid Maneuverings
JB CXXXIX: Paranoid Maneuverings

Donald is glad he has a corner booth. It allows him to nudge the very attractive, very scary pretty lady in full primium plate away from the onlookers. Not least because he has a very, very alarming suspicion that Dr Polanski over there may have recognised the armour and he's an Etherite power-armour nut so the last thing he needs is someone fanboying over the possessed-by-a-member-of-the-Inner-Circle Rose.

Well, the last thing he needs right now. He'll probably want to use Reina to pump him for information later.

"I need information," Reina informs him coldly. Her voice is Rose's - except it isn't. The accent is wrong because it isn't Rose's adorable faintly lilting hint of Italian. The intonation is wrong. She doesn't do the thing Rose does when she's thinking or trying to puzzle out something outside of her experience. Oh, and of course, she doesn't talk to him with any fondness. "I need information about the world, I need information about the nature of this... this synthetic realm of electricity so I can understand it and understand what the thing out there is doing. And I need information about the state of the world so I can draw conclusions about the motives of our enemies and what might have prompted such action - and what else they might be doing."

"Mmm," Donald says. She makes a good point.

"Therefore you will aid me in gathering this information," she says, denying any chance that he might argue. He thinks he prefers being told what to do by Director Belltower. She makes him feel like a henchman, you know? A proper second in command who she can say 'Sykes, get it done' to and expect that he'll find his own methods. Reina makes him feel much more lackey-ish.

"I think I know some people," he says.

"You will also need to find someone who you can trust to attempt to fix Rose," Reina adds. "I don't want to slip when I eventually grow tired and forget my older memories, restoring her personality to control. She would kill you very quickly, and though it would distress her she is not strong enough to fight the commands in her head. Fixing that is quite important."

Donald agrees that yes, not being torn apart by Rose is quite important.

And there's another thing. He's out of contact here. Rose is out of contact here. That only leaves Serafina from the senior command staff - and he knows they're going for the amalgam too. Against something like the... the god-thing out there, it won't stand. It'll just stalk through the labs and kill anyone it feels like.

There's a good chance that Serafina is dead right now. He wonders if Reina knows that - or even cares. Rose certainly would. He won't bring it up, though. It might make Rose crumble. And if she crumbles, she might just fall back to the blind obedience of orders rather than have to face up to the pain and the self-doubt and the blame for not being there to protect Serafina but instead being on a date.

They won't be able to bring her back if she's like that. Not without time that they might well not have.

So. Assume the amalgam is lost. It's not much of an assumption, with that Autochthonian thing out there. Therefore Panopticon have total control over the site. They'll no doubt be ready setting it up as a trap for Jamelia and the rest of the amalgam if... no, when they get back - because they have to succeed.

So he needs to get a message out onto the net. Somehow. Something floating in the digital sea that can wash up to her whenever she arrives back on Earth. Something that can get past that thing. Something... maybe he can try to bait it into... into destroying messages he tries to get out in a way that formats areas of the Digital Web that'll leave suspicious damage which will trigger the paranoia in his boss's head and make her realise that someone's trying to erase all the information about certain topics? Maybe trick it into going up against the Traditionalist web infrastructure carrying his messages, because that stuff has withheld the entire force of Iteration X pre-99, so might stand up to this thing. Even beat it?

Well, he can hope.

... or he could talk to a Virtual Adept. Might well be easier. Or maybe not even a VA. That'd use ways out that the machine could understand. Maybe there's a Verbena out there who could make flowers close to Director Bellower blossom with a warning message? Or some other kind of horrible blatant RDery that Donald of course can't do himself, but which he can pay or coax someone else into doing for him? He'd see if someone could send her a message in her dreams, but trying to send a message to the dreams of Jamelia Belltower has one significant flaw. It's like trying to email someone who's never online.

Fuck it. He doesn't have anything better to do here, apart from getting drunk and or high. He'll do that when he runs out of ideas and try to find new ideas in chemicals.

Donald adjusts his tie, and prepares to mingle. He then looks at the bar, with its collection of simulated liquors, glances at the attractive muscular bartender flashing a winning smile, and he thinks he should prepare a bit first.
***​

A few hours later, Reina stares down at the table she's found Donald at. She stares at Donald. She stares at the stacked-up heap of empty shot glasses.

She purses her full red lips in a thin line of annoyance.

"Mr Sykes," she says, leaning down and grabbing him by the ear, and pulling it up to her mouth height. "You will cease such a shameful display this instant."

Donald blinks. The world has suddenly re-focussed and isn't wobbling any more. And his ear hurts. He still... he still feels drunk, but his head is perfectly clear. And he suddenly gets the feeling that he'll be sick if he tries to drink anything else. "Guh?" he manages.

"I believe you've had enough. You had enough quite a while ago."

"Maybe I didn't?"

"You did. No more."

"Please?"

"No."

"But everyone else is doing it!"

"So?" Reina glares at him, tapping her foot and somehow drawing on dark memories of Miss Black, who'd been one of his teachers in elementary school and hadn't had time for children who couldn't sit down and shut up when they were told to. "If everyone else was jumping off a cliff, would you do it?"

"Do I get a parachute?" Donald enquires hopefully, running his hands through his hair. "Or a wingsuit? That's a lot of fun."

"There are no parachutes in this hypothetical."

"... why are we jumping off a cliff? I mean, since everyone else is doing it, is there something scary up the top we're trying to escape?"

"Mr Sykes," Reina Lior informs him, "if I catch you drinking or imbibing debilitating drugs again without my permission, I will..." she considers, "... have your body hair pulled out via the application of hot wax. Do I make myself clear?"

"... but I wax anyway," Donald points out, and the moment of confusion on the face of the ancient member of the Inner Circle of the Technocratic Union is worth it.

"You will stay sober. And you will devote your full attention to your work!"​

"Fine." Donald grouses. "We have plenty of time, but let's not actually use it. Let's just work ourselves to death worrying about the thing outside and what it plans to do to us if it finds any single weakness here. It's not like this might be the last moments of our life." Nevertheless, he's already looking at the crowds of people. Avatars of every sort crowd the Spy's Demise. Some are human-attractive, sculpted in the way that VR avatars can be. Others are inhuman-figures from myth, fantastical creatures, aliens and other things. He can pick out Technocrats, Traditionalists, and Disparates. There's a few he suspects to be Marauders or Nephandi.

Just another day at the Spy's Demise, except that now the sector's quarantined by a godlike being. Nobody's ever tried it before, Donald recalls. Everyone's found the Spy's Demise too useful to take serious action against it. For all that, its defenses are significant. He doesn't think they'll fall. If they would, the god-machine would have attacked instead of trying to secure the sector.

"Ahem." Someone clears her throat behind Donald. He turns around, and runs into a witch. Well, a witch Halloween costume. That is to say, flawless emerald skin, a dress with a neckline that plunges down to the navel, leafy hair the color of autumn, and a pointy hat. "And why are you here again?" The witch asks.

"Er..." Donald says, lost for words. "Jan..."

"You run off and don't say a word and then you start working for the enemy. And now you come back here and suddenly everything starts going wrong and people can't log on." she starts saying. "Do you want to explain exactly what happened? I know you're somehow at fault." There's no fighting in the Spy's Demise. Donald knows that. Nevertheless, he's more than a little scared, especially if Reina shows up and breaks up this reunion with his ex-girlfriend.

"I know this might be difficult to believe, Janice but..." Donald starts, only to be interrupted by Reina showing up with a scowl on her face.

"Who is this... witch?" Reina sniffs.

"Who's this? Your new girlfriend?" Janice asks bitterly in return. She gets a death glare from Reina in return.

"Do not tell me, Mr. Sykes," Reina starts in a tone that somehow combines the best (worst?) parts of 'disappointed grandmother' and 'drill sergeant,' simultaneously berating him and making him feel that he deserves far, far worse. "You have been consorting with the enemy."

"I can explain!" Donald protests. "Everything!"

"Please do." The two women say simultaneously, then glare at each other.

***​

While relaxing in the LX-4's luxuriant passenger compartment-well, as relaxed as she can be in a suspicious situation like this-Jamelia seemingly accidentally brushes her fingers along Kessler's hand. He's got enough hardware in his head that he should remember the old 80s hand ItX combat gesture for 'be suspicious'.

He yawns. Good enough. He's telling her she's boring him. Sneaky. He then goes back to looking out the window silently, acting like the dumb muscle people tend to think of him as. Jamelia knows enough about him to realize that it's a mistake.

Kessler is Kessler. He's the big guy. Not so bright, but damn amiable. Easygoing in the way that some shock troopers are, because he knows he's the most lethal man in the room and thus doesn't have much to prove. Especially since he apparently now killed a dragon or the dragon or something - Jamelia still doesn't quite understand what happened there and she hasn't been able to find a way to isolate him so the two of them can have a little talk about certain things.

Look, basically, she underestimates him which means she's pretty damn sure that everyone else will too. And he was the last one to see them. If they're missing memories they should have, that's a sign something up.

"So," Kessler says cheerfully, "Donald. Did the Vees give you any problem with the arrangements at the base?"

Jamelia sits back and lets him get to work, listening in to Donald's responses. She's got her own little checkups to carry out. She's got chronons snarled up in her, Nichols said, and she's already been playing around with them. Just trying things out. Getting used to how things can shift them, and how that triggers her dimensional sensitivity. It's like she's got iron filing stuck in her, which means she reacts to magnetic fields. Only it's time here, not magnetism.

Oh, Allah. She doesn't have the words to explain what she's trying to do, exactly. It's like trying to feel... to do radiocarbon dating with the things trapped in her, only it's not quite like that. But she knows she can sense that Henriette is about twenty, for example, and she knows how old Donald should be - and maybe Serafina too, although her biological changes might throw her sense off - and if there's a real discrepancy, something has gone very, very wrong. She's certainly sure she could tell if they were fastclones less than a year old.

She doesn't think they are. They don't look like fastclones-the cells in their bodies are old enough, or "old" enough, that they might be who they say they are. Of course-that doesn't prove that someone didn't brainwash them. Or throw clone bodies in some kind of fast-time field. She can't prove that they're safe. Kessler looks at her and shakes his head fractionally. He makes a quick hand sign, "hostile." Jamelia doesn't know how he knows, but if his instincts were bad-well, she's been in the void now. She's been in hostile subdimensions. If he survived in them-he'd probably know what he was doing. Jamelia notices that Henriette's seen the gesture.

And thankfully, thankfully, Henriette says nothing. She doesn't give any tells. She just turns back to Serafina and starts chatting about happenings on Earth. "Where's Rose?" Henriette manages to work into the conversation. "I got her something."

Donald glares at Henriette about the insensitivity, and goes back to talking to Kessler about what had happened after they had left. It had been uneventful until about ten days ago, when everything had apparently gone completely and utterly wrong. Useful information to know, even if she's suspected a lot of it. Heavy casualties, lots of damage, valuables stolen-they'll be spending a lot of time replacing everything and making sure it's secure.

"Rose is... she's not in great shape. But she's recovering. The attack on the construct..." Serafina trails off.

Jamelia finds that somewhat suspicious. Serafina probably wouldn't be here if that was true. But there's still the right amount of brittleness underneath her voice to mitigate some of her concerns. With access to Union servers again, she can take a look at what the official cover story on the Construct assault is. Jamelia has absolutely no faith that she can rely on it. It's not that the information is inaccurate-she doubts that there's going to be many, if any, outright lies in the report. She doesn't have the ability to pick out omissions, or places where ambiguous information is interpreted in a way that helps the writer. But yet, what they want her to believe is fairly simple.

They want her to believe that the Camarilla, in vengeance for Moscow, attacked the construct with EDE assistance with subverted SWAT and National Guard units, destroying it and killing all the junior staff. The senior staff survived largely by luck-they weren't there when the attack happened-Donald had been out with Rose and had 'only' been attacked by a smaller hemophage contingent, which had led to her grievous injury and his stay in a Union nanomedical pod, while Serafina had been working in a lab, one much better defended than the construct and thus impossible to siege. A healthy amount of debate is going on about what forms of retribution should be taken against the hemophages, and there's certainly been incidents of hemophage identities being leaked to certain parties from nominally secure Union servers.

There's a lot of Iteration X-related leaks, she notices. Jamelia finds that utterly unsurprising. A few crates of high-end weapons "go missing" and turn up in the hands of a group of ex-military veterans fighting a shadow war against hemophages. A Virtual Adept hack reveals hemophage-associated members of society and puts a bounty on them-and instead of taking it down, Iteration X finds something higher priority to put its immense processing power to. They're mad. On a war footing. It reminds her that she might be able to use that war footing in some way.

"You did as well as could be expected." Jamelia says sympathetically. "We should have reinforced the construct somewhat, but to act so blatantly was insanity. The Camarilla here must have been fools to take violent action."

Serafina nods in agreement, and her voice is angry. She should be angry. "Definitely stupid. It was probably a power play," she says. "Some idiot trying to leverage his position here to get into a better one ten years from now. Tragically they won't be around for much longer. I've been calling in our markers and bringing in some heavy assets to ensure that a repeat attack isn't going to happen. And maybe we can use them to get some justice."

Henriette looks up at that. "I'm in for giving some hemophages justice."

Elsa grins mercilessly at that, looking up from a quiet discussion with William, their new Void Engineer contact. "I'd love to administer some of it. Especially if it's high-caliber, high-velocity justice. Fucking hemophages. They did this a lot back in Moscow. We need to turn the tables on them, show them that we're not to be fucked with."

Jamelia notes from a glance at the GPS system that they're heading straight for the construct, probably to get them there as fast as possible. If Kessler is right-it's a trap. She just doesn't know what sort of trap, but she does suspect that it's not the sort of trap that wants its prey alive at the end of it. The hints she's teased out of Serafina and Donald are enough. She suspects they're false-somehow. High-end fakes? Infiltration clones? Brainwashed? Something far more dangerous? She needs to create a plan, bring her team in on the plan, and make sure Donald and Serafina don't know. Preferably without killing anyone or ending up blacklisted and hunted by the Technocracy. She realizes that this probably was the thought pattern of everyone she had hunted back in Vigilance. She feels a brief pang of deja vu and a sense of... detached admiration at how she's become her own victim.

Her team, the people she can use... well, there's Harlan, they've worked together for years. She can practically read his mind, he can literally read hers. Telling him will be trivial. But if he uses his powers, they might notice. And he might doubt her. Might question her paranoia. Kessler's already convinced, apparently. Henriette might or might not believe him. Jamelia knows she'd have learned that code and with an ADEI she wouldn't forget, but she might see it as a coincidence, or not trust it. Or she might have believed it and is pretending not to. And then there's Elsa and Wufan. How much can she trust them? It wouldn't do for her to escape this trap, then end up being turned into bait by the Void Engineers.



Be A Harem Protagonist Donald:
Well, good news is you have run into a Traditions contact who might be able to help you, being one of those weird Spirit mages and she definitely knows some Mind ones. The problem is that she's your ex-girlfriend, a bitter longtime poster on TradWiki under the handle "WickedWitchOfTheWeb," and is very very peeved at what you've done. Also, she may actually blame you for the fact that she seems to be stuck. Reina is also very, very concerned about your potential treason, in the kind of concern which, if you know Iteration X, tends to lead to bits of your brain being replaced. So your explanation is...
[ ] (0.5x) Tell both of them everything that happened. Your history and why you're here.
[ ] (1.5x) Redirect them to the current problem of being hunted by a very powerful machine-thing which she's definitely sensed, right? And now you need to get a warning out to save lives on both sides.
[ ] (0.5x) Tell Reina that she's drawing attention and you'll handle it, then try to mollify your ex-girlfriend.
[ ] Give an excuse and vanish somewhere else so you can find someone useful directly. Maybe they'll end up handling this spat themselves.
[ ] Write-In.

Death Cab for Jamelia:
So, you're stuck in a limousine heading towards an imminent trap, and you need to figure out how to warn everyone to escape it. This is definitely a requirement and write-in fodder, but we're going to focus on what your escape plan is. It is...
[ ] Finding an excuse to stop somewhere in the boonies, then making a run for it. (Lowest initial risk, but means you're easily targeted and can be eliminated with minimal collateral damage)
[ ] Stopping in the cities at some point, then disappearing there. (Puts you closer to Union assets but it's easier to blend in or acquire transport/equipment)
[ ] Calling someone up and burning some favors to get an official excuse to avoid having to go to the trap (Easy, but burns a favor and you don't have many of them, may also lead to extremely inconvenient explanations)
[ ] General Garrison​
[ ] Professor Bastion​
[ ] Ivan Rankovitch​
[ ] The trap is probably not going to spring the moment you walk in. And being able to get backdoors and retrieve equipment in the Construct itself is probably immensely helpful, as is simply being able to take a look at what your new Construct looks like and your new intern team, who are probably also assassins. Henriette is probably going to literally cry if she has to abandon her transforming supercar, for example. (Highest risk, gives you more intelligence information, lets you retrieve most of your Devices/equipment.)
[ ] Well, between Elsa, Harlan, and Wufan, you can probably hack a mat-trans. How better to escape the Construct than by using the Mat-Trans itself? (High risk, lets you retrieve most of your Devices/equipment.)
 
Just had an idea, going to throw it out for consideration.

[X] Order the 1st VPR to move in
[X] And shoot all of the Sabbat dead dead so they can't get any info out of them
[X] Pretend to be reinforcements sent from 391
[X] "We're helping!"
 
Soooooooo.

Donald is currently hanging around with the wicked witch of the web, and a tin (well, primium) woman. The question is whether he's the cowardly lion or the strawman who has no brains.

Donald: "I think you'll find quite clearly I'm Donaldthy."

Fluffles: *slithers out of his manbag and takes the form of a small black dog*

Fluffles: "Woof."

Donald: "Well, we could always talk to a bunch of munchkins."

WickedWitchOfTheWeb: "... what, Virtual Adept gamers?"

Donald: "Exactly! And then we can go find the Wonderful Wizard of Aus."

Reina: "Rose wants to point out that she has in fact two hearts, not no heart. And also that please could you kill yourself in a way that doesn't hurt, because I'm a meanie who's stopping her from being good."

Donald: "No heart, two hearts - they're both a discrepancy of one from the average number of hearts. Still counts."
 
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[ ] Calling someone up and burning some favors to get an official excuse to avoid having to go to the trap (Easy, but burns a favor and you don't have many of them, may also lead to extremely inconvenient explanations)
[ ] General Garrison[ ] Professor Bastion[ ] Ivan Rankovitch

Wouldn't '[ ] General Augustine Aleph' also be on this list? We'd have to promise to meet with him, but we were planning to do that anyway.

Also, Panopticon might have additional difficulties killing us before our appointment with him.


On the other hand, I think I'm still leaning towards:

[ ] Stopping in the cities at some point, then disappearing there. (Puts you closer to Union assets but it's easier to blend in or acquire transport/equipment)
-[] use getting food as an excuse.
 
[ ] Finding an excuse to stop somewhere in the boonies, then making a run for it. (Lowest initial risk, but means you're easily targeted and can be eliminated with minimal collateral damage)
[ ] Stopping in the cities at some point, then disappearing there. (Puts you closer to Union assets but it's easier to blend in or acquire transport/equipment)
Obviously, we ask them to stop because we need somewhere to go to the bathroom. :V

Now, for Donald... How do you get around the troubles of being a harem protagonist? My first thought goes to 'Have a spine instead of waffling'.

What exactly is Donald's history? He was an ecstasy cultist, and defected to the Technocracy because it was the only way to stop some injustice, but what are the details on that?
 
Just had an idea, going to throw it out for consideration.

[X] Order the 1st VPR to move in
[X] And shoot all of the Sabbat dead dead so they can't get any info out of them
[X] Pretend to be reinforcements sent from 391
[X] "We're helping!"
They don't need info from the Sabbat, they just need to find Alice's scent there so they can track her trail to where she is now.
 
[X] Give an excuse and vanish somewhere else so you can find someone useful directly. Maybe they'll end up handling this spat themselves.

Donald AWAY!

[X] Stopping in the cities at some point, then disappearing there. (Puts you closer to Union assets but it's easier to blend in or acquire transport/equipment)

Devices and intel are nice...but going into a trap we know is a trap is still entering a trap.
 
Be A Harem Protagonist Donald:
[X] (1.5x) Redirect them to the current problem of being hunted by a very powerful machine-thing which she's definitely sensed, right? And now you need to get a warning out to save lives on both sides.

Donald has to get his priorities clear, and some of that involves getting their priorities clear. And while he does quite like the attentions of two attractive women, the glares he is receiving from them is the wrong kind of attention. It is the kind of attention which promises the use of the phase 'testicular torsion'.

"Reina," he says firmly, "you can ask Rose and she knows that I used to be on the other side, years ago. This is a known thing. It was not consorting with the enemy when I was, in fact, the enemy." He takes a deep breath. "And before you ask, her skin is not naturally green, she does not fly around on a broomstick, and she does not command a horde of winged flying monkeys. Her username... uh, her alias is 'WickedWitchOfTheWeb', which is a pun on the Wicked Witch of the West who was a character from a book written in 1900 and a film made in... uh..." he glances at Janice for help.

"1939," Janice says reluctantly. "... and how does she not know that? And how do you know when the book was written, but not when the film was made?"

"I really liked the books as a kid, okay?" Donald says. "Point is. She is not really a wicked witch with green skin. That is just a costume worn in this place. No flying monkeys are involved."

He takes another breath. "Janice. It's... it's complicated. I was already getting sick of how so many of the Ecstatics were spending all their time getting high and weren't doing shit to help anyone else. Then I ran into a group - in retrospect, they were probably proto-Rogue Council. They were planning something. Something really, really, really bad. Something that wouldn't even work, which'd just kill people for no gain at all. Lots of people. I had to stop them. So I made my choice. And all choices have consequences. Do I regret having chosen it? No - I couldn't have lived with myself if I hadn't stopped it.

"Do I miss being chased by killer death robots? No. Because this brings us to the topic at hand and the oh sweet fuck I wish it was just a HITMark outside. HITMarks were easy compared to shit like this. Because we have an honest-to-God no-shit machine god-Incarna-hyperintellect whatever, that doesn't care so much what it wants to be called compared to its urge to murder us all in the face. Everyone in here. It's locked the place off so anyone here physically is trapped and anyone who's jacking in has a good chance of dying from starvation or... or whatever. We're going to have to work together so the murderdeathmachine doesn't kill us all."

He straightens up and tenses up, spreading his legs slightly. "And with that said, to clear the air, Janice, I hereby grant you permission to - if you wish - slap me no more than three times, or knee me once in the groin. If you feel it'll help matters for the whole... uh, lack of calling you back. Not you, Reina," he hastily adds. "I'd prefer to not have my jaw broken or my pelvis shattered."

[Donald - Machine Virtue - He will go beyond his human limitations of NOT BEING KICKED IN THE GROIN]

Death Cab for Jamelia:
So, you're stuck in a limousine heading towards an imminent trap, and you need to figure out how to warn everyone to escape it. This is definitely a requirement and write-in fodder, but we're going to focus on what your escape plan is. It is...

[X] Well, between Elsa, Harlan, and Wufan, you can probably hack a mat-trans. How better to escape the Construct than by using the Mat-Trans itself? (High risk, lets you retrieve most of your Devices/equipment.)

Jamelia hates being in this kind of situation. Outmanoeuvred, outgunned, and outplayed. Shit.

She's very afraid that she's going to have to play into their hands. Because as long as they play along, her unseen opponent - who thinks remarkably like her or another Blanc student - won't have any reason to deviate from the script. They both know how things will go, and if she breaks from the 'I'm just a good Technocrat returning to base' script, her enemy will escalate. That's bad. They have more resources with which to escalate. And she wouldn't be surprised if their car is already being followed by at least one primed clone driving a car full of high explosives, so if they get out of the vehicle, they'll be vulnerable.

She's always liked car bombs. They combine 'large, cheap explosion' with 'entirely explicable to the Masses'. Domestic terrorism is much more reliable than fancy plans involving invisible gunships or experimental technology. Out of the cover of the LX-5, at least half of them are vulnerable to lots of fertiliser and nails - including her. Or if they're a more high tech sort, railgun snipers in invisible choppers - just like Panopticon had used in Hong Kong. And whatever the people who look like Donald and Serafina are, she wouldn't put money against the idea that they might be combat constructs. Or primed for possession by Gretkov.

... fuck, Gretkov is somewhere out there, unless the overloading wormhole in Moscow might have shredded his EDE frame.

So she needs to play along. Walk into the trap and then leap out before it snaps shut. And that scares her, because that isn't a good plan. That isn't a good plan at all. But right now they're not ready. So they need to walk into the tiger's mouth and then get out of aforementioned mouth before they get bitten in half. And the wormhole in the basement is the best way she can think of for doing that, not least because they'll park the LX-5 - which she has to assume is compromised - down in the parking garage. But that means that she has to play her part perfectly and not let on that she knows that it's a trap.

Just wonderful.
 
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Panopticon can do many things, but openly charging into a Construct to shoot the daughter of a high ranking Progenitor without any justification is not one of them.
Umm.... that's exactly what they just did. That's why we're in this situation. They don't even have to be that sneaky about it if they don't want to. Panopticon's entire official job within the old Union was internal oversight. They can wipe an entire apparently loyal Construct if they deem it necessary, and they only have to justify themselves to Control. Which they have all the appropriate codes from to do so.


[X] (1.5x) Redirect them to the current problem of being hunted by a very powerful machine-thing which she's definitely sensed, right? And now you need to get a warning out to save lives on both sides.

ES Already said it best. Donald should do his best to keep their minds off smacking him by pointing out the OHSHITITWANTSTOKILLUSALL-Murderbot that's locked them in there.

[X] Well, between Elsa, Harlan, and Wufan, you can probably hack a mat-trans. How better to escape the Construct than by using the Mat-Trans itself? (High risk, lets you retrieve most of your Devices/equipment.)

I was going to vote for 'Ditch in the city', but if ES thinks we can wiggle out way out of the trap, fine. We've got the firepower for it, and the VEs and such we're hauling along have a few tricks Ms. Clock is probably not expecting. And then there's Kessler... Who definitely has a few tricks Clock doesn't know about.

Plus I really want to see Henriette going on a rampage in the Amalgam to retrieve her cool dress and then driving her transforming car through the Mat-Trans to escape.
 
I dunno.

Let's keep in mind that all of this, ultimately, is a setup to kill Jamelia. That's the sole "victory goal" for Control and Ms. Clock. They want to keep it looking as above-board as possible, which is probably why the LX-5 wasn't stuffed full of explosives or hasn't been hit with a plasma lance. Well that and she'd almost certainly see it coming or detect the trap. But really I'm not sure I'd waste any time at all between her arrival back at the Construct and deploying a kill-team to hose them all down as soon as the step outside the car.

Kessler is, mind, probably too hard to finish off that way but Jamelia is certainly squishy enough. Panopticon can call in whatever assets it wants to finish it and cover their tracks in marginally acceptable incident reports. Ms. Clock can even take Jamelia's place to avoid having to explain why she died.

Really, the problem here has been that Panopticon has the initiative. We've been reacting, and haven't had a chance to do anything but react. We really need to, very soon, force them on the defensive.

And that's problematic to do with Panopticon having the level of clearance in the Technocratic Union that it does. Temporarily going underground to strike back directly won't work because they can discredit Jamelia as a traitor, however tempting it might be to just flip the table over. But they're obviously going to be better at working through official channels because they've subverted them entirely. Which might leave the option of not so much flipping the table over as pouring gasoline on it and setting it on fire; going to Bastion and the Void Engineers, laying everything down, and trying to get Panopticon purged from the Technocratic Union in what would likely become a civil war very quickly. But aside from all the other reasons starting a civil war is usually a bad idea, they might just be more inclined to shoot Jamelia and cover it all up for Panopticon in order to buy more time.

So when I say "we need to take the initiative and bring the fight to them," I'm afraid I don't really have any useful ideas as to how.
 
On that note if we are going to get the VE'S to run War Plan Omega we need Bastion Lovelace and Starborn on board when we talk to Ivanova.
 
As I literally said in the text, "That isn't a good plan at all". Because it isn't.

But basically, the way I see it, as soon as we go "off plan", Ms Clock will enact a Jamelia-like plan in response to something going wrong. And when it comes down to it, Jamelia's recurring trait is not her subtlety. It is her tendency to smash things with a big, low-tech club, and to escalate things with a very brutal cunning. She likes clean solutions, but her clean solutions tend to default more to "a killteam jumps out and shoots them with RPGs" than "one very precise shot gets made by an assassin with a railgun".

So we establish our planned escape route - through the transmat in the priumium-shielded sub-basement. The car will be going down to the basement to park, so that's the closest we'll ever be to the escape location.

And it's a super-car with a fusion reactor. Henriette has Forces 4. "EMP" is a Forces 4 effect. The sub-basement is shielded, so an EMP shouldn't hit it, but if Henriette cooks off the LX-5's reactor as an EMP then all the electronics in the area will be fucked (the party's cyborgs will know it's coming, so they can shield themselves against it) which is a wide-area act of area focus denial - they can't use "the construct's defences" as a focus if all the electronics in the area have been slagged by an exploding fusion reactor. Likewise, any high tech guns which may be pointed at the car will have their circuits fry too. And if communications get fried, Ms Clock will lose her Corr links and have to lose a few precious rounds while she fast-ropes down the lift shaft into direct sensory range to assume direct control of the op. A few rounds of Ms Clock not being able to fuck up our shit is a very helpful component.

And then it's a desperate, stupid dash to access the sub-basement before they can restart their systems and get their hardware working again, grab whatever's down there while we bring it up and working, and then immediately evac. And probably fight a spidertank or a bunch of Agents while we're at it, because Agents aren't affected by EMPs, and a spidertank has a good chance of being EMP-shielded and piloted by Ling (who's a mage and thus can reboot it faster).

Once again, I will remind people that this is a bad plan. FFS, it involves setting off an EMP using the engine of the car the party is sitting in, and hoping that Kessler, Elsa and Henriette don't get fried. However, it is also monomaniacally focussed on its objective, gets us the fuck away from LA, and we have enough Time, Corr and Entropy mages in the car that we can probably stop people from seeing it coming. And a bad plan executed quickly and precisely and with extreme violence can sometimes resemble a good plan, at least from a distance.
 
I approve of this just because I really want to see Ling in a spidertank versus Henriette making and escape in her transforming car. That's like so many layers of anime refs, I can't not love it. And we've been teasing a confrontation between Ling and Henriette forever.

Particularly fun if there's a KESSLER INTTERUPT, and he just throws Henriette, car and all, into the Mat-Trans, because Kessler knows that it's not the right narrative time for their final confronation. :p
 
I approve of this just because I really want to see Ling in a spidertank versus Henriette making and escape in her transforming car.

Henriette is the character most likely to be fucked up by the EMP, because

a) she's the one with the least primium in her, out of the cyborgs, and,
b) it's her spell and "I got fried and my ADEI shut down and now I'm running entirely off meatware, half-lobotomised and my body language implant means I'm twitching uncontrollably" is a nasty-but-plausible Paradox backlash from a Forces 4 effect when she has a bunch of Permadox. And sometimes you just need an EMP which doesn't actually act like a realistic EMP.
c) I'm totally going to be taking Prime 2 agg damage on her by setting that off, because holy shit this plan relies on as much stuff as possible shutting down and that means she just has to suck up the Agg for extra PE.

Like I said. Bad plan. But I'm willing to accept Henriette being out of action for the dash if she can possibly shut down everything electronic which isn't under heavy primium shielding for long enough for us to get down to the transmat and get the fuck out of here.

(Also, she's a skinny and underweight waifu. She's easier to carry than, say, Kessler.)
 
I dunno.

Let's keep in mind that all of this, ultimately, is a setup to kill Jamelia. That's the sole "victory goal" for Control and Ms. Clock. They want to keep it looking as above-board as possible, which is probably why the LX-5 wasn't stuffed full of explosives or hasn't been hit with a plasma lance. Well that and she'd almost certainly see it coming or detect the trap. But really I'm not sure I'd waste any time at all between her arrival back at the Construct and deploying a kill-team to hose them all down as soon as the step outside the car.

Kessler is, mind, probably too hard to finish off that way but Jamelia is certainly squishy enough. Panopticon can call in whatever assets it wants to finish it and cover their tracks in marginally acceptable incident reports. Ms. Clock can even take Jamelia's place to avoid having to explain why she died.

Really, the problem here has been that Panopticon has the initiative. We've been reacting, and haven't had a chance to do anything but react. We really need to, very soon, force them on the defensive.

And that's problematic to do with Panopticon having the level of clearance in the Technocratic Union that it does. Temporarily going underground to strike back directly won't work because they can discredit Jamelia as a traitor, however tempting it might be to just flip the table over. But they're obviously going to be better at working through official channels because they've subverted them entirely. Which might leave the option of not so much flipping the table over as pouring gasoline on it and setting it on fire; going to Bastion and the Void Engineers, laying everything down, and trying to get Panopticon purged from the Technocratic Union in what would likely become a civil war very quickly. But aside from all the other reasons starting a civil war is usually a bad idea, they might just be more inclined to shoot Jamelia and cover it all up for Panopticon in order to buy more time.

So when I say "we need to take the initiative and bring the fight to them," I'm afraid I don't really have any useful ideas as to how.
The problem, as I see it, is that when EarthScorpion says that it would be so easy for Clock to just send a carbomb at us the moment we step outside the LX-4, he's not wrong. A carbomb is a simple, low-tech solution that is very easy to explain away as being the RDs showing up to take out the leadership of the construct they just attacked. And while normally carbombs wouldn't be consensual in LA we just had what was essentially open warfare on the streets so the masses are going to be a lot more accepting of further conflict.

We're relatively safe inside the Doshmobile, for the moment. Making a mad dash for the Mat Trans as soon as we arrive seems like a solid plan.

That being said, once we're out of the lion's den I do want to try and tar Panopticon's name at least in relation to us. Assuming we don't want to say that all of Panopticon is the problem, we can at least point out that two attacks by rogue elements is twice too many. "Someone" in the convention has a serious hateboner for us and so any further action by Panopticon against us (and, hopefully, people/things related to us) should be viewed with the highest degree of suspicion.
 
We're relatively safe inside the Doshmobile, for the moment. Making a mad dash for the Mat Trans as soon as we arrive seems like a solid plan.

Oh, no, it's not a solid plan. It's a terrible risky plan. Among other things, it assumes that Ms Clock hasn't removed the MatTrans. I'm assuming she hasn't, because it's the stealthiest way she has to move assets around and the alternative is that she has to ship everything in (and things like spidertanks aren't exactly compact and questions would be asked), but that's a major risk here. If that happens... well, I'll swear. Quite a lot.

And then resort to my fallback plan, which is to use the Gauntlet 10 of a Technocratic construct combined with the existing spacetime damage caused by having a MattTrans running there for extended periods (so the Gauntlet is scarred, and Elsa can see those scars) to let Elsa pull out one of those spacetime ripper grenades she used on Henrietta combined with some Virtual Adept mathematical realisation reality-hacker wizardry and rip open one of those previously open wormholes which have previously been open here, but are not open here right now, which she can see from the scars on the Gauntlet.

But that's a much less friendly plan than using an existing wormhole, because it has a good chance being vulgar and more importantly is much harder for the party to work together in a ritual and can't be fuelled by the base's reactor for lower diff. And also pretty importantly doesn't actually give us a choice of where to go - at best it means she can pick which of the previously open wormholes to rip open again.

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We're relatively safe inside the Doshmobile, for the moment.

Oh, and we're not.

The Anathema has been in here. It's a machine. Therefore it is compromised. That's why even if I wasn't planning to use it as an EMP, I'd still be blowing it up because we can't trust it to not turn into a giant robot and try to kill us. Possibly by transforming into aforementioned giant robot when we are, in fact, still inside it.

A giant, gold, pimpin' robot.
 
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Panopticon can do many things, but openly charging into a Construct to shoot the daughter of a high ranking Progenitor without any justification is not one of them.

Actually you will find that this is exactly why Panopticon exists. To shoot high ranking Technocrats with highly classified justifications of "treasonous action" that nobody can see. Obviously this can occasionally get difficult, but, well... Serafina is not one of those people who'd be difficult to rub out. They'd just need to publicize what she did, at 14, in Damian. Her parents and close friends might be suspicious, but...

1. She doesn't really have many close friends,
2. Approximately 50% of them are a Damage Control construct who will feel bad about it but when given a legitimate order just reconcile their viewpoints.
3. Professor Li isn't one of them and he's going to accept their explanation because he doesn't feel like butting heads with Panopticon.

That being said, once we're out of the lion's den I do want to try and tar Panopticon's name at least in relation to us. Assuming we don't want to say that all of Panopticon is the problem, we can at least point out that two attacks by rogue elements is twice too many. "Someone" in the convention has a serious hateboner for us and so any further action by Panopticon against us (and, hopefully, people/things related to us) should be viewed with the highest degree of suspicion.

Do remember that they have a person who can perfectly fit into the role of Jamelia Belltower and literally nobody else here knows about it. Not even your allies.
 
3. Professor Li isn't one of them and he's going to accept their explanation because he doesn't feel like butting heads with Panopticon.

I am sure that he will be really playing the saddest song ever on on the tiniest violin [1] that a political annoyance like her who has been advocating moderate versions of his own views and getting backing from that turned out to have Traditionalist sympathies all along and is a known associate of a dangerous Reality Terrorist recently killed in Miami.

[1] He's going to borrow that nano-scale violin from Iteration X. Iteration X refuses to accept the Etherite claims of a femto-scale violin are at all meaningful.
 
So, as someone who doesn't actually play Mage, I have a question: Isn't Techno-Paradigm stuff Consensual inside of a Technocratic Construct? Why would Henriette be getting 'dox?

Also, for the Earthside Union, why does Panopticon get so much leeway? Most of the Union considers Control to be dead, and it's Command in charge now. Them using Control codes a lot would get noticed. They have to justify their actions to Command, not Control. Wouldn't their major actions need Command's orders anyway?

Panopticon is supposed to be internal security, yes? How come most of what they do has been shown to be hunting down miscellaneous non-Techno people? They seem to act like a smaller version of the Void Engineers when it comes to gobbling up stuff with minimal putting out.
 
So, as someone who doesn't actually play Mage, I have a question: Isn't Techno-Paradigm stuff Consensual inside of a Technocratic Construct? Why would Henriette be getting 'dox?

Well, it's just a guess, but for why I suspect it? Because there's Technodigm and then there's Technodigm. It's not one thing. And this place is a parking garage under a Construct - it's not like an ItX weapons range where fusion weapons are commonplace.

There's also a edge of something which I managed to argue a former GM into giving technomages, to replace surpassing focuses. I call it Being Fucking Stupid. Namely, there are things that your paradigm tell you shouldn't work perfectly and are dangerous and unsafe - especially if you rush things. Rather than spending WP to surpass your focus, you instead make a focus you don't really think should work work, by doing dangerous and unsafe things and thus taking Paradox for it representing your own belief backlashing. So Henriette, by Being Fucking Stupid, can reconfigure a safe fusion engine into a powerful EMP device in less than a minute by doing really stupid things that she knows will get her hurt because holy shit this thing is designed to fail to safe, you'd have to be a real idiot to do all the things that she's about to safe, god why is she even doing this she's a fucking cyborg who's going to be at ground zero of an EMP. To do it safely, she'd need a full set of tools and an hour to work - this way, she's probably just going to rip out the nanofac and link her ADEI up to the nanogloop and make it reconfigure the engine while it's still running.

What is she, stupid?

The same would apply to a Technocrat who picks up a Traditionalist flaming sword without wearing protective gloves. So he can still use it via the Being Fucking Stupid houserule. He can use it as a focus for Forces effects, because it's a sword which is on fire. But it's a Reality Deviant focus which is damaging reality, is unstable and unsafe, and on yes it's on fire. So he'll take Paradox for things (which'll usually result in setting himself on fire or burning himself) because his paradigm tells him it's a dangerous burning sword which is breaking reality and isn't safe at all.
 
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