Wait, did you just advocate lying to our superiors as a response to the argument that maybe we shouldn't test their patience that much?

Well, at least if this strategy blows up in our face, we'll have just made contacts with the Traditions that we could use to defect. :confused:
I meant that we would be tricking them rather than going to them straight-up. We would be using the Traditions as disposable and deniable firepower. The Entropy/Correspondence/Mind effect is to get them to show up where we want, when we want, and how we want, most emphatically not to dupe our superiors. Something like what Jamelia did with the RDs at the Nephandic hive, but preplanned instead of on the fly.

EDIT: I see how my wording was confusing on that point. I apologize for not being more specific.
 
The Entropy/Correspondence/Mind effect is to get them to show up where we want, when we want, and how we want, most emphatically not to dupe our superiors.
Oh. You're advocating the use of mind control and trickery to get Reality Deviants to do something stupid.

That's perfectly fine, I just think it's going to be notably harder and messier than you seem to be assuming.

Especially since Reality Deviants can make tinfoil hats that actually work as mind shielding.
 
[x] (1x) You already look like a bunch of fetish prostitutes. Yes, even Kessler. Especially Kessler. Might as well make use of it. Go slumming for vampires who feed on these kinds of people and bonk them over the head with a stake. You suspect you're supposed to actually impale the vampire, but Kessler swears that if you hit them sufficiently hard with the stake nothing will go wrong.

[x] Spend the daylight hours having Serafina make drugs. Focus on anti-hemophagics for our honeypot trap, Reflex Boosters for the bag-team because some of those hemophages go ridiculous fast, and Regen to stabilize the wounded if anything goes badly.

(Haha, time for Hellsing?)
Wait, did you just advocate lying to our superiors as a response to the argument that maybe we shouldn't test their patience that much?

Well, at least if this strategy blows up in our face, we'll have just made contacts with the Traditions that we could use to defect. :confused:
What our superiors don't know (and, so far, they've been perfectly happy not to ask about our not-entirely-orthodox methods) won't hurt us. Besides, nothing could be better for the overstretched locals than getting their enemies to shoot at each other for a change.
 
I'm still opposed to this, on the basis that we're pushing the edge of how unconventional Technocrats can afford to be - making contacts in a way that looks like we could be setting things up to defect is not going to help.

There is something I believe we should do, and that is make distant contact with the Daedaleans and maybe ex-Technocrat members of the Tunguska Fellowship. It's likely that Jamelia has people she knows among their ranks, which would be the initial ones to contact.

This is not to get their aid - not directly. I said "distant contact" and I meant it. The Daedaleans have basically walked away from this fight, and are doing the whole "keep hospitals working" thing which isn't very objectionable, and the Tunguska Fellowship are Traditionalists now and we shouldn't be interacting with them for our own good. But having a few back-avenue lines of communication might be useful, especially if some of those individuals we can get in contact with are experts in the technology used by the Vitae-addicted ex-Crats. Information is cheaper than actual aid, and they likely know things about the local vampires which the Loyalists don't.

Of course, for the Daedaleans, there's a second reason to start talking to them. And that's to get some subtle warnings through. If Panopticon shows up, they won't care that the Daedaleans aren't directly opposing the Union, and that they're still broadly keeping to the "protect the Masses" ideas of the Union. They might well start hunting them down. A few warnings dropped about a hardline faction in the Union might help them be a bit more cautious, and if we help minimise their losses if everything goes to shit, they'll remember that.

So we'll just go find some of them in a seedy bar, make sure we time it when there aren't any satellites overhead and carry an anti-bugging field and approach using a statistically calculated approach to counter statistical analysis of our movement, and maybe some dollars might exchange hands over a drink and they might mention a few things while we mention a few things. And it's all below the table. Things are quiet right now, and a little bit of investment here might help a lot in the future.
 
What our superiors don't know (and, so far, they've been perfectly happy not to ask about our not-entirely-orthodox methods) won't hurt us. Besides, nothing could be better for the overstretched locals than getting their enemies to shoot at each other for a change.
You need to report to Room 101. -_-

We don't need to give Panopticon-backed assets more legitimate reasons to go after us.

If we're contacting Reality Deviants, it needs to be very, very obvious that we're using them to accomplish something and we don't have sympathies for them -or- it needs to be super subtle and non-offensive as ES just proposed.
 
Oh. You're advocating the use of mind control and trickery to get Reality Deviants to do something stupid.

That's perfectly fine, I just think it's going to be notably harder and messier than you seem to be assuming.

Especially since Reality Deviants can make tinfoil hats that actually work as mind shielding.
Something stupid being attacking Filipov head on while we sneak in the back way and play ninja or some such thing.
And for the tinfoil hats, we have a combination of Mind 4, Correspondence 2, and Entropy 3 between Jamelia and Dr. Rosario. We might be able to add Donald's Correspondence 3 and Time 3 to that mix if we stunt him over the phone. I think that that is a pretty good combination for mindfuckery, how about you?

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If we're contacting Reality Deviants, it needs to be very, very obvious that we're using them to accomplish something and we don't have sympathies for them -or- it needs to be super subtle and non-offensive as ES just proposed.
Why not both?
 
There is something I believe we should do, and that is make distant contact with the Daedaleans and maybe ex-Technocrat members of the Tunguska Fellowship.
I've no objection to this - we've pretty much committed to being an unconventional, flexible, and pragmatic Construct - so long as it doesn't get mixed up with our "pretend to be Traditions" scheme, and stays as distant as we can manage.

It's the mixing of "pretending to be Traditions" with "talking to Traditions" that makes me worried about the messages we might be sending.
 
I've no objection to this - we've pretty much committed to being an unconventional, flexible, and pragmatic Construct - so long as it doesn't get mixed up with our "pretend to be Traditions" scheme, and stays as distant as we can manage.

It's the mixing of "pretending to be Traditions" with "talking to Traditions" that makes me worried about the messages we might be sending.

Yeah, fully agreed there. It's vitally important that the contacts with the Traditions are either handled in a "totally lying to them at arm's length" method (like how we used them for the assault on the Nephandic place which we could legitimately have put in our after-action report as "we made contact with Traditionalist assets pretending to be a Virtual Adept hacker, and fooled them into attacking the Nephandic Hive as a diversion"), or a "if we told our superior in the New World Order what we were doing, they'd understand" method (like paying some ex-Crat defectors for information on vampires).

I don't propose lying to the ex-Crats here. Not only are Russian hackers pretty good and they won't fall for the "American fat hacker ploy" and will probably try to counter-hack us, but it sours the relationship if it's discovered. We didn't particularly mind if the Traditonalists found we were using them - what, would they have trusted us any less? The same isn't true for the ex-Crats here. And we want to drop those hints about "Beware Panopticon" in a way which they'll take it into account.
 
I've no objection to this - we've pretty much committed to being an unconventional, flexible, and pragmatic Construct - so long as it doesn't get mixed up with our "pretend to be Traditions" scheme, and stays as distant as we can manage.

It's the mixing of "pretending to be Traditions" with "talking to Traditions" that makes me worried about the messages we might be sending.
Where would there be a risk? Our disguise is, going off of Jamelia's comments, a fairly kosher thing with NWO operatives. Our mindfuckery is straight up tricking them, which we would likely be lauded for. And talking to the groups who seem to have become something approximating neutral for information on mutual enemies isn't something that we need to put on a report as anything more than "field information assets".

I don't propose lying to the ex-Crats here. Not only are Russian hackers pretty good and they won't fall for the "American fat hacker ploy" and will probably try to counter-hack us, but it sours the relationship if it's discovered. We didn't particularly mind if the Traditonalists found we were using them - what, would they have trusted us any less? The same isn't true for the ex-Crats here. And we want to drop those hints about "Beware Panopticon" in a way which they'll take it into account.
I agree with you on this. We would have to go for the hardcore RDs, as opposed to the (relatively) new ex-Crats.
 
Honestly, as long as you guys file all the right paperwork, it should be fine. There's a reason there's always so much paperwork- it creates an established groundwork for your decisions, so you can point to it and go 'this was always part of the plan, we aren't really defecting'.

The current convention higherups aren't unreasonable- especially after all the bullshit with the Anomaly happened. There's been a lot of cleaning house, and as long as you're on mission you should be fine. Worry about the mission first, and about NWO thought police second. Or third or whatever.
 
The other reason I don't propose screwing with the local RDs is simple. Read the description of the local Traditions.

These are badass motherfuckers. Seriously, the local Virtual Adepts are less "overweight hacker" and more "cyberpunk protagonist". The Chorus recruits from special forces. A lot of the Etherites are former 'Crats who know to look for this kind of thing. They've apparently faired better in many ways than the local 'Crats, and we don't know the ground. When we manipulated the Traditions in Hong Kong, we were going with the same cultural reference frame, and we only nudged them to do things that they wanted to do anyway - and the entire thing was improvisation because had we fucked it up, things wouldn't have gone much worse for us. We don't know the same about the guys here, and fucking it up could result in a bunch of murder-priests with crosses engraved onto their bullets shooting at us.

So we will be calm, cautious, and poke a few backdoor tendrils out to the former Technocrats who we know won't be allies to Panopticon.
 
The other reason I don't propose screwing with the local RDs is simple. Read the description of the local Traditions.

These are badass motherfuckers. Seriously, the local Virtual Adepts are less "overweight hacker" and more "cyberpunk protagonist". The Chorus recruits from special forces. A lot of the Etherites are former 'Crats who know to look for this kind of thing. They've apparently faired better in many ways than the local 'Crats, and we don't know the ground. When we manipulated the Traditions in Hong Kong, we were going with the same cultural reference frame, and we only nudged them to do things that they wanted to do anyway - and the entire thing was improvisation because had we fucked it up, things wouldn't have gone much worse for us. We don't know the same about the guys here, and fucking it up could result in a bunch of murder-priests with crosses engraved onto their bullets shooting at us.
Well, shit. I never thought of it that way... My vote is with you on this one now.

So we will be calm, cautious, and poke a few backdoor tendrils out to the former Technocrats who we know won't be allies to Panopticon.
"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet" style?
 
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[x] (1x) You already look like a bunch of fetish prostitutes. Yes, even Kessler. Especially Kessler. Might as well make use of it. Go slumming for vampires who feed on these kinds of people and bonk them over the head with a stake. You suspect you're supposed to actually impale the vampire, but Kessler swears that if you hit them sufficiently hard with the stake nothing will go wrong.

I want to know what John Kessler would have to do to count as a fetish prostitute. Especially WHICH fetish. (And Jamelia probably needs a video recording for blackmail purposes and to show around at drunken reunion parties twenty years down the line. Because she'll survive that long, yes.)
 
[x] (1x) You already look like a bunch of fetish prostitutes. Yes, even Kessler. Especially Kessler. Might as well make use of it. Go slumming for vampires who feed on these kinds of people and bonk them over the head with a stake. You suspect you're supposed to actually impale the vampire, but Kessler swears that if you hit them sufficiently hard with the stake nothing will go wrong.

I can't actually make my mind up, but this one sounds amusing.
 
This, Henriette decided, is bullshit.

Sure, playing Reality Terrorist dress-up might have been fun...while they were in the nice, heated, "my suit costs more than your house" Syndicatemobile. As she stomped her heels in the snow to keep warm, Henriette decided that maybe a dress and a skintight bodysuit might not have been the right idea for traipsing around Moscow.

In winter. At night. In a dark alleyway.

Sure, the suit was all-weather gear, but that left her head exposed to freeze, and the Russian winter was really not nice. She peered down the alley, the lights overhead already knocked out and leaving the passage nearly pitch-black. Her inbuilt optic augments handled the low-light conditions without a problem, but seeing the world in shades of pastel green didn't really help her mood. Besides which, there wasn't much to see here beside three of the Bobs and a few stacked body-bags.

Henriette shivered as one of the Bobs looked her way. She never much liked Progenitor vat-grown clones in the first place, and these ones were really weird since Director Belltower and Dr. Rosario had done that weird stuff with them. Henriette understood movement, in ways that other people probably never even thought of; it was a necessity of any halfway-decent mech pilot. You had to grok momentum and inertia in a practical sense, because a two-ton chunk of primium on two legs isn't going to stop just because you felt like it. The clones moved differently, with a fluidity and grace that she'd never seen before from the oh-so-awkward Bobs. It sure figures that a paranoid NWO agent would like having some little drones to order around, she thought sourly.

Movement at the end of the alleyway caught her attention, and Henriette frowned as Little Miss Perfect came down the alleyway from the nightclub around the corner, a body slung over her shoulder. Despite wearing basically nothing but high-heeled boots and too few strategically-placed belts, the stupid Progenitor wasn't even shivering.

In Moscow. In the winter. At night. When it was snowing.

Stupid Progenitors.

Either oblivious or uncaring of the orange-haired pilot's glare, Dr. Rosario casually tossed the body over her shoulder onto the ground. She opened her mouth to order the Bobs to cuff it, but the clones were already stripping the young vampire and pinning him with metal cuffs. Dr. Rosario stared at the Bobs acting on their own, before closing her mouth with a snap that Henriette could hear even through the background noise of the busy city.

"I should never have given that woman her very own mind-controlled minions," Serafina commented to no one in particular. Looking up to see Henriette, she smiled brightly and asked, "Well, that's one for starters. Do you know when the car's due back? I'd prefer to do my work in an actual lab, even if it has candles and fake skulls everywhere."

"No idea," Henriette responded curtly, her breath freezing the moment it left her mouth. She shivered and stomped her feet again, rubbing her hands together in the pockets of her dress to keep warm. Yeah, she would definitely like to be back in the decadence-on-chrome-wheels again. About the only one who seemed to really be enjoying it out here was-

"Hellooooo ladiiiiieeeees!" The noise echoed down the alleyway, and Henriette instinctively ducked before forcing herself to straighten up again. Two points of red light appeared at the end of the alleyway, slowly coming towards them. As she flipped on her nightvision, Henriette grimaced as she looked over John Kessler returning. Despite bleeding from several shallow wounds, Kessler was carrying three slumped bodies and wearing a very wide grin.

And not much else. I could grate cheese on those things, a traitorous part of Henriette's mind whispered.

"Good evening, John," Dr. Rosario responded smoothly, saving Henriette the trouble of thinking of words. "While I admire your enthusiasm, could you perhaps avoid alerting the rest of Moscow that a distinctly identifiable American is right here?"

"Aw, moooom," Kessler mock-whined, dumping the three staked vampires down next to the fourth body-bagged one. As the Bobs got to work, John put his hands on his hips and gave an ear-splitting grin. "I even disguised the 'do, and if a vampire comes running to investigate, that's just another test subject waiting to happen! Besides, I've really missed this."

"Couldn't you, maybe, put something on?" Henriette said, feeling grumpy. It wasn't like she was using her augments to take pictures of Kessler's chest, no ma'am! She was just feeling worried that her teammate was taking on groups of vampires, even young and relatively weak ones, with nothing but a loincloth and a smile. (and wooden stakes) Definitely that.

John looked down, confused, before his face brightened in comprehension. "Oh, the clothes thing." He shuffled his bare feet, almost seeming a little embarrassed. "Well, if you're stuck away from resupply for a long time, you tend to sorta make do with what you've got. And when you're alone except for robo-tigers, you tend not to worry much about wearing clothes an' all. I sometimes forget we're supposed to be always wearing clothes, to be honest."

As Henriette's brain engaged in open war between Pervert! and I demand evidence!, Dr. Rosario glanced over at Kessler with a frown. "While I can understand your enthusiasm, we really are trying to stay somewhat covert. Our disguises are a last resort, rather than a first one."

The seven foot tall cyborg pouted, before nodding sincerely at the two women. "Gotcha, ma'am. I think this club's tapped out for easy prey anyway, so I'll try the rave club with the blue sign next." Tipping a nonexistent hat at the two woman, the thankfully (temporarily) mullet-less man padded away down the alley towards the sound of music.

As the Bobs finished cuffing and packing the staked vampires for transport, Dr. Rosario turned to Henriette. "While I normally respect the privacy of my co-workers...please tell me you took pictures of that."

Stupid mission, Henriette thought to herself, blushing and shivering at the same time.
 
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John Kessler probably has Subterfuge (Shirtless Mancandy) because he clearly knows how to weaponize himself and I am not talking about the barrel-like arms, the fists the size of hams or the primium endoskeleton here.
 
Each knot is a point of critical failure, so while there are two knots, a failure of either one is a wardrobe collapse.
 
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