This is a question I am deliberately not going to answer, because answering it would weaken the impact of the question. And frankly, answering it is irrelevant. The truth of the matter is much less important than the actual belief behind it.
Possibly also less important than what Jamelia learns from the possibility existing. She's got a team to mentor herself, after all.

(And, given the existance of Enlightenment, that's actually a pretty important mission itself.)

We need to consider whether Blanc's method was a failure because of bad materials or bad methodology.

(Given that Jamelia's made Enlightenment 6, even if late... I think we can rule out bad materials.)
 
Of course, that does bring up a question. Did Blanc know? Did he orchestrate Starling's fall? Did he ignore it despite being perfectly capable of intervening? This is a question I am deliberately not going to answer, because answering it would weaken the impact of the question. And frankly, answering it is irrelevant. The truth of the matter is much less important than the actual belief behind it.
Hm. Not sure what to think of this. And, I mean, isn't there also a running theme of discovery and figuring out/finding out things too.
We need to consider whether Blanc's method was a failure because of bad materials or bad methodology.

(Given that Jamelia's made Enlightenment 6, even if late... I think we can rule out bad materials.)
Well... there's also been some questions asked of who Jamelia is, and of her relation to the old person she used to be. What if the materials themselves -- the person -- was changed and reforged such that they were different enough?


Though I think one answer that Blanc might have taken away from that, could be "Never fucking rely on Nephandi for anything constructive".

Seriously, I can't be the only one to wonder if the fact that Nephandi were involved in the test like that, was probably not the best idea.


Not that mages couldn't gain Arete/Enlightenment or break through as a result of facing or fighting Nephandi, of course. Just... probably not a good idea to have that added in to all the pressure there.

In fact, it sounds a bit like Damien, and how kids are pushed to awaken in it. Except doing so for Enlightenment 5->6. Or maybe it's the school that is using the same methods that push people into Enlightenment 6.
 
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Wasn't Jazmin, hm, a psychic dud? While Jamelia is rocking DSci 1 in a psychic paradigm?

Consider what Enlightenment 6 really is.

DSci is DSci. Using "psychic powers" and using a dimensional scanner to do DSci things are completely the same thing. She didn't have any psychic potential when she was tested because she didn't have the spheres and didn't use the paradigm. Now she does. Certainly she can use the paradigm now because she's a very different person, but then again, who wouldn't be after four decades?
 
Wasn't Jazmin, hm, a psychic dud? While Jamelia is rocking DSci 1 in a psychic paradigm?
Sure, but this is oMage and everything runs on bullshit is a matter of perception. A traditionalist would say what that guy up there guy does, while Harlan could say that she's enhanced a psychic potential which had been too weak to be remotely useful through means she won't tell him and claims are difficult to repeat. Serafina might say that all those upgrades introduced undocumented and difficult-to-use abilities to her, beginning with the broken remains of INVISIBLE BEAR letting her see EDEs. You can explain quite a lot within your own paradigm if you try hard enough, though Technocrats have a habit of calling bullshit if you don't also fit into theirs easily enough.
 
She was just handed the sort of traumatic event that gets mages over the Enlightenment 5 hump (and it is a very strong hump) and not only didn't she succeed at it, she regressed more than a decade in personal development!

What disgusting human weakness.

Of course, that does bring up a question. Did Blanc know? Did he orchestrate Starling's fall? Did he ignore it despite being perfectly capable of intervening? This is a question I am deliberately not going to answer, because answering it would weaken the impact of the question. And frankly, answering it is irrelevant. The truth of the matter is much less important than the actual belief behind it.

Of course, because Jamelia is smarter than I am, she'll probably be wondering. Maybe she does have a personal vendetta.
What a silly thing to ask when Jamelia has finally faced the subjectivity of the world. Did Blanc know? Of course he did. And of course he didn't. Both are valid. Both are true. Both are false. What matters is what is believed.

"Control the present and you control the past. "
 
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Personally, I'm of the opinion that he didn't do it, because he was not at the time that fucking stupid. He retained his human capacity to say "no, that's a terrible idea, I'll do something else instead," the Autopolitans' lack of which led to that glorious debacle in Moscow.
 
Personally, I'm of the opinion that he didn't do it, because he was not at the time that fucking stupid.
Not to mention we can learn a lot more from considering the timeline in which he wasn't quite that far gone than in the one that he is - after all, we've already learned "don't work with Nephandi."

The one about how a much more honest mentorship blew up is a better warning, or at least a more useful one.
 
Sure, but this is oMage and everything runs on bullshit is a matter of perception. A traditionalist would say what that guy up there guy does, while Harlan could say that she's enhanced a psychic potential which had been too weak to be remotely useful through means she won't tell him and claims are difficult to repeat. Serafina might say that all those upgrades introduced undocumented and difficult-to-use abilities to her, beginning with the broken remains of INVISIBLE BEAR letting her see EDEs. You can explain quite a lot within your own paradigm if you try hard enough, though Technocrats have a habit of calling bullshit if you don't also fit into theirs easily enough.

*whistles innocently*

Just leavin' this here.

He settles down on the psi command chair, although he doesn't engage the locks. That leaves the desk chair and the bed for the other two. The desk is laden down with heavily bookmarked books, with titles like 'Epigenetic Development of Powers in Mothers of Psychics" and "Creatures of the Mind (Authorised Censored Edition, with Commentary)", and he watches Jamelia's eyes flick over them. She doesn't say anything about the fact that those texts should technically all be a in a secure facility.

Don't mind me.
 
That was Jamelia's Avatar, right?

What's an Avatar?

No, seriously. One of the little things I'm having fun with is rejecting the Purple Paradigm with the various things that for the party would all be clumped under the "Avatar" category if they were Traditionalists, but here... well, it's actually quite hard to argue that they're the same thing without resorting to Traditionalist lingo.

Jamelia doesn't have an Avatar. The interrogative, challenging, self-reflective part of her (classically associated with the super-ego and with human Genius) only ever appears as herself, and asks her things based on herself which she already knows, even if she refuses to consciously accept them. The fact that she has some of the memories of... of some long-dead man is, as far as she's aware, not actually linked to that. She doesn't have an explanation for Cemal. Yet. She's probably the most classic "Technocrat denying that their Avatar is their Avatar and handle the past life stuff" character in the party.

(Cemal disagrees and says that the self-reflective part is totally her Avatar, and that they share it. But what does he know? He's just a scattershot of memories.)

Serafina doesn't have an Avatar (even if her character sheet has both Circumspect Avatar and Manifest Avatar on it). Hell, if you ask Alicia and get her to not lie, she'll agree she's not an Avatar. She's an imaginary friend who came about because Serafina was a massively cognitively augmented, very lonely little girl, so her imaginary friends are in fact fully fledged personalities in their own right - not helped because some of her augs leaves people with them prone to mental health problems. Alicia just feels it's better for the two of them to be a little bit, manageably crazy than it is for Serafina to be so very lonely. And her parents felt that Alicia was just mental illness of a kind that only a Genius-possessing mind gets, which is how they managed to lock her off and stop Serafina seeing her until Serafina started resisting her own Conditioning post-Moscow with almost no wp left, which led to the reemergence of her issues in that area. Of course, since Alicia is precisely as intelligent and manipulative as Serafina, and more mature than she was before despite the way she acts, she's being very very careful to not give herself away as not actually being physical because that's what caused problems last time.

(Alicia is approximately as good a higher self as Dr Nichols is a spirit guide)

Donald doesn't have an Avatar, oh no, he totally doesn't. He was just a fool when he was an RD thinking he had Ravana as a spirit guide. Pay no attention to the fact that he still sometimes sees him in his dreams. That's just dreams. Do de do de do. Donald away! *drops smoke grenade*

Henriette and Henriette-A Henrietta (and Henriette-A-A Mari) don't have Avatars. They don't even really have odd dreams - just perfectly Iteration X normal ones about electric sheep. And yet if you asked the Ivory Tower, they're clearly caught in a self-sustaining loop of historical inevitability. If you look through history, you'll find the recurring archetype patterns which they exemplify showing up time and time again in the ranks of the Order of Reason and the Traditions alike. The archtype is flexible, of course - they've been siblings, cousins, "cousins", but they always are drawn into each other's orbits regardless. If Henriette learns Entropy 1 from Jamelia Bot, she'll be able to start to get a gut feeling of the historical inevitability, even as the Iteration X bit of her goes "... but that's pseudo-scientific bullshit" and the nascent NWO bit of her goes "It's an empirical rule of thumb, but it works".

(The fact that the two body system has become a three body system with the addition of Mari may be... quite interesting as a consequence. Because three body systems are chaotic.)

Rose is... Rose. Yeah. And she's just... quite confused with what's going on in her head. The nasty dark side personality from her haemophage genetics has gone away and now she has her genesource in her head except Thorn always said she was an Avatar and Reina has said some things which imply she's wondering if she's a mask worn by Rose's guardian angel and it's all very confusing.

(Rose's moesevoirs are filling up.)

Naturally, as befits the one party member who's actually secretly a member of a Tradition, Kessler does not really have anything going on with his Avatar, beyond the way that it means he exemplifies the archtype of the lone gunslinger who never gets to put down his pistol and has to walk off into the sunset after saving the town.
 
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Okay, I will remind people that we know she has Forces shielding, and given that she has OH GOD SO MANY SUCCESSES it's likely that she has stacked defences against the pattern spheres (matter + forces) at least. Maybe some Prime shielding too, given how many Devices she has in her.

Kessler is proooobably better off self-buffing, unless something very unorthodox can come from a blind side.
If it wasn't so unlikely to work shooting it in the thermal exhaust pipe(necessarily wide, and energy permeable) would have been a classic.
 
She couldn't face the idea of breaking through that barrier. And if she did it then, broke through and confronted Blanc? She'd probably either have been in the Inner Circle or dead at 35. Either way, Blanc would have been proud. In a way, her rejection is what pissed him off so much. That trauma Starling put her through put her at the cusp of wisdom, and she threw it away. Blanc accepts disagreement and betrayal. If his protege disagrees and goes off to the Traditions because she hit Enlightenment 6 in less than 15 years of intensive schooling? Oh he'd have killed Jamelia without regret, but he'd totally want to be there while she's dying and tell her that she's made him proud. Jamelia coming back visibly shaken and without new insight? She's worthless. Spare parts. Recycle her into another Technocracy program to make another killing machine.
And then, after 30 years rebuilding herself, she is somehow now central to events. That must so be pissing him* off. The Adversary indeed.
*Or whatever pronoun applies to posthuman things.

For Kessler, regarding the EM shielding, would it be possible to set the armor to scan, record, and analyze the patterns of said shielding, and then come up with a sheath for attacks which would mitigate its effects? Huh, I just described Forces countermagic, didn't I? :rolleyes:
 
(Alicia is approximately as good a higher self as Dr Nichols is a spirit guide)

Donald doesn't have an Avatar, oh no, he totally doesn't. He was just a fool when he was an RD thinking he had Ravana as a spirit guide. Pay no attention to the fact that he still sometimes sees him in his dreams. That's just dreams. Do de do de do. Donald away! *drops smoke grenade*
Dr. Nichols is indeed the Worst Spirit Guide Ever. If and when Jamelia and Donald ever compare notes, Donald is going to be so smug that his spirit guide is a sweet cool dude who brings Donald the Best Drugs and then sits down to smoke them with him. Ok, so his 'advice' is sometimes not the most advanced (R: "Dude, you should do more drugs." D: "Okay." R: "Kickass."), but he's a lot more fun to hang around with than a former VE who sucks at doing the 'cryptic mentor' routine.
"There's one last thing I need to tell you," Catherine says.

"Oh?"

"Jamelia. I am your father."
I mean, come on? A weak attempt at a Vader riff? Sigh. Worst Spirit Guide Ever.
If Henriette learns Entropy 1 from Jamelia Bot, she'll be able to start to get a gut feeling of the historical inevitability, even as the Iteration X bit of her goes "... but that's pseudo-scientific bullshit" and the nascent NWO bit of her goes "It's an empirical rule of thumb, but it works".
Henriette: "Getting in my head and making me think all this stupid stuff... and it keeps being right! NWOers.... so annoying!"
Rose: "...isn't that the thing Director Belltower always says?"
Henreite: ".....WAAAARHAAGRBLBBL!":mad::rage::mob:
 
So, I still don't actually know much oMage despite playing in this quest for half a year -in what ways do the Traditions not quite walk the walk with a truly subjective reality?
 


*whistles innocently*

Just leavin' this here.
The younger Harlan, his hair still black, is standing with his arm around a woman - his wife, Jamelia vaguely remembers. She looks Mediterranean - maybe Greek, judging from the backdrop where the photo was taken. Though that could just be a holiday. Jamelia briefly considers whether she's really his wife or is just a cover identity, but no, she vaguely remembers the face from their days together. She might have been on one of the support teams, maybe? Or had she been one of their liaisons back in HQ? Her face was certainly familiar.

Jamelia, for her part, keeps one eye on the monitors as she scans quickly through the security station logs for this facility. She can track the declining numbers of staff through the Noughties (Mr R. Door - DECEASED - CRANIAL TRAUMA (ACCIDENTAL), J. Ladislao - TRANSFERRED, Ms S. Car - DECEASED - REINHALT SYNDROME) until the last one (A. Aristide - DECEASED - REINHALT SYNDROME) is marked off in 2009 and-

Jamelia blinks. Reinhalt syndrome. Natural humans didn't get that. It was a very characteristic pattern of organ failure which only showed up in Gen 2.0 MiBs. That would imply Harlan's wife was a Man in Black. Well, a Woman in Black. That hadn't been mentioned in his file.

Jazmin hasn't been the one who's raised her, mostly. She's done everything she can, but when you're a Technocracy assassin, you're not in a position to be much of a mother. And the same applies… applied to her father. They'd pulled strings to have two of their body-double MiBs pulled from 'decoy' duty and dedicated to raising her. At least that way, two people who were nearly her parents were there, and - more selfishly - when the two of them were not on missions, they could slot in for their duplicate and she wouldn't notice.

Elissa shifts in place, and makes a little noise. Jazmin sighs. She shot her own clone in the face with a tranquiliser dart when she took Elissa. The look of shocked betrayal was… certainly something.

So they're going to pretend that she was never part of Vigilance. Jazmin isn't surprised. She was expecting this. She already knew that her team was being shut down. That's why she had that last conversation in Owl, in a cafe in Paris, before she handed herself in. She's made arrangements for dealing with everything that remains of the rotten, wretched, miserable life she thought she had. She can trust him to look after Elissa. She… she can't be the mother to a six year old.

Her daughter deserves a better mother than her.
Don't mind me.
 
What's an Avatar?

No, seriously. One of the little things I'm having fun with is rejecting the Purple Paradigm with the various things that for the party would all be clumped under the "Avatar" category if they were Traditionalists, but here... well, it's actually quite hard to argue that they're the same thing without resorting to Traditionalist lingo.

Moreover, what's that Prime Energy storage every character has represent? It doesn't even represent the same thing for everyone.

For Jamelia, it's just that little edge, that ability that the drugs and the enhancements and the retrovirals give her that lets her go above and beyond even what she'd normally do. Biological rocket fuel for her body, now. She replenishes them by taking the right blue and green pills and nutrient-fortified foods.

Kessler's got internal power cells to overcharge his cybernetic augmentations. He can use them for RD magic because well, spirits are a thing, he's lived too long on fucking Dragon Planet to not know this, and spirits love juice no matter what kind it comes in. Magic mushrooms or power cells, they accept it as payment. Elsa has a similar, but more advanced design now.

Harlan understands that psychic powers are generally used at a safe level, and it takes effort and sheer will to contain them at levels beyond that. He, amusingly enough, is the only person in the entire party who recharges his "Avatar" Quintessence via meditation. Although a good night's sleep also suffices.

Donald just knows that he can push himself, and when he does it too often he's drained and he has to regain that edge by playing hard. Same with Serafina. Amusingly, Jazmin saw her internal pool of Prime Energy in much the same way. She just didn't regain it by 'meditating' and by 'meditating' I mean 'sleeping around and other forms of entertainment.' When Donald recharges his "Avatar" via Primal Utility, he does it by literally cutting a check from his personal expenses account, using that to buy himself a nice dinner or go on a date or something, and that recharges him.

Henriette knows she has minor implants, and most of them are cognitive, and if she needs that edge she can overclock those implants to do some crazy things, and she can push even harder but that leaves internal burns and she doesn't like suffering brain damage (that's Prime 1, BTW).

Rose is a biotech killing machine which happens to have the body of a beautiful young woman and the mind of a moepuff and has reserves of hyperoxygenated rocket fuel if she needs to give herself an edge in any way, shape, or form. She can regenerate it slowly, or by dedicated injection.

Yes, via Prime they can transform all of these into different forms, but it always takes a relatively convoluted path. Donald can use his personal genius to find cost savings which he uses to order nutritional supplements, which Jamelia takes and give her the negotiating edge she needs to get Kessler additional PS-85 hypercapacitative energy cells, etc. Even out of the party, the Purple Paradigm isn't used very much.

Brandon Jiminez's "Avatar" is just his striving towards being the best super-spy he could be. First because he wanted to be one as a kid, then as a CIA agent, and now because it'd let him down, and his friends down, and everyone else down if he didn't. He knows just how incredible human potential is and when he puts his mind to it he can do some incredible things beyond what he normally thinks is possible.

Dr. Grey's Avatar is just her obsession with Science! and technology. She has no spirit guide who talks to her, merely the thoughts that it'd be AWESOME if she transferred someone's brain into a jar and put it into a 30 foot tall killer robot to fight the Enemies of Ascension. Her personal Quintessence storage comes from hyper-enriched atomic fuel, which powers the fantastic array of devices implanted in her cyborg body.

Hannah doesn't have a real Avatar. She just has personal musings on "wouldn't it be great if the story happened like this" and constant criticism of her own work that strives to make her understand her fiction better-and her role in life better. She keeps looking for her own personal spirit guide, but she hasn't found one yet.

Melody's Avatar is a small talking cat-thing. When she was working for the Rogue Council, it was a spirit. Now, as a member of the Technocracy, someone made one of those as a lark and she decided to adopt it. It's not supposed to be as smart as it is, but somehow its learning capabilities are beyond the expectations of the young Iterator who made it as a cute robo-pet.
 
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Melody's Avatar is a small talking cat-thing. When she was working for the Rogue Council, it was a spirit. Now, as a member of the Technocracy, someone made one of those as a lark and she decided to adopt it. It's not supposed to be as smart as it is, but somehow its learning capabilities are beyond the expectations of the young Iterator who made it as a cute robo-pet.

No wonder her life is full of suffering.
 
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