Quantumboost
Now with 50% more dots in Dimensional Science
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- Ensemble Space
Silent Squid, I think. But not an actual squid. She's the Damage Control agent who has the chromatophores (i.e. color-changing) and super-flexible skeleton.
Panopticon: A Game of Posthumans, Perniciousness, Paranoia, Politics, and Plasmaguns
Another thing to consider/worry about; how much trouble or suspicion some of those items might land us in.
Still, apparently the Tribunal is over and done with now.
Still, apparently the Tribunal is over and done with now.
The Mind lesson of "how thought and questioning begets correct action" also seems like it would be very apt. Especially as Jamelia just learned a bit more about herself and her past, and about what might have been done to her mind and memories. Putting a greater focus on (and awareness of) Mind seems like it would fit.
It's Silent Starling that had "Silent" in his code-name. Squid's code-name was a lot more awkward -- seriously, having to spell "surreptitious" every time you have to write out the agent's full code-name?
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- in the trash
Ami's code name was Cunning Squid.
Wait, no. I must have derped on remembering her code-name. It's not Surreptitious, it's just Cunning Squid. Much easier.
I blame Cornuthaum, because he is the enemy. (He is every enemy.)
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Into The Past: Choose a few options to explore the series of organizations which has ended with Panopticon (or has it?)
[X] Cross has access to a lot more information and a very high security clearance now. He can help you find something. A braintape of Constable Ami Shirai, labeled "DO NOT RESUSCITATE." She might be bitter about it but she might know what really happened in the 80s. She might know more about Vigilance.
[X] CyberSolutions/DNA. They work well together, and both have strangely ahead-of-time-table technology.
-[X] They're publicly listed corporations. Might as well go visit.
[X] Aleph's Demesne is your target. It lets you go the deepest into the past, and the dirty secrets, of the Technocratic Union.
[X] Cross has access to a lot more information and a very high security clearance now. He can help you find something. A braintape of Constable Ami Shirai, labeled "DO NOT RESUSCITATE." She might be bitter about it but she might know what really happened in the 80s. She might know more about Vigilance.
[X] CyberSolutions/DNA. They work well together, and both have strangely ahead-of-time-table technology.
-[X] They're publicly listed corporations. Might as well go visit.
[X] Aleph's Demesne is your target. It lets you go the deepest into the past, and the dirty secrets, of the Technocratic Union.
@MJ12 Commando
-> Whats China's stance on North Korea
Sleeper and TU
-> Whats S Koreas stance {Sleeper and TU}
-> Whats China's stance on North Korea
Sleeper and TU
-> Whats S Koreas stance {Sleeper and TU}
Actually most of them work. I'll admit I originally intended to just copy and vote the entropy one, but I think that's the one that works the least. For the others:
- [ ] That all things are connected (Correspondence)
- Already learned.
- [ ] That there are more things than merely Heaven and Earth (Dimensional Science [well okay spirit but Jamelia's interpreting it through her lens])
- Hostile EDE invaded her brain and awoke a memory outside time*.
- [ ] That everything is fated to have an end (Entropy)
- Not the lesson I want.
- [ ] The true beauty of life and its freedoms (Life)
- This actually works really well, especially with the childhood memory*.
- [ ] How thought and questioning begets correct action (Mind)
- My one problem with that here, is that our story seemed to be more about how thought and questioning begets the incorrect action. At the very least, Jamelia seemed to come away with a bunch of mistakes she made.
- [ ] How the world is different depending on perspective (Prime)
- Many of the memories are about a very different time and a very different place, but they are still ostensibly her memories*.
- [ ] How all things move in cycles (Time)
- We just had a journey through time, and our reaction:
To me, this feels a bit like grokking the life cycle of the NWO operative.
*The one memory I think is least likely to be forged is the earliest one, specifically the Cemal interlude. My reason is that nobody yet has a reason to think she even has these memories. Further, the faction which supported Cemal is mostly gone, so few are in place to continue his mission from beyond the grave. On the other hand, if Cemal is continuing his plans from beyond the grave, like the old man, through Jamelia, then we might have a problem.
I actually think that's exactly why it would make a great choice and great fit. Precisely because we've identified issues with our past and have so many more questions. We've seen examples of what memory can do to you, about how important knowledge and perspective can be.
I can see Jamelia putting greater emphasis and importance on Mind after this, due to how central the whole experience was.
I do agree that this lesson has snappy wording. I just... grok Prime the least of all the Spheres and don't really understand it; taken separately the "perspective" lesson is neat but I just don't get Prime.
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Of course, this is just going over the stuff from the past (Belltower Identity) interlude and going "oh, that's neat". I think the "lesson you take away" from the current Interlude would be a bit different. (Plus, these lessons are just little blurbs that were attached to each Sphere; they're not the entirety of what Jamelia learned in that past Interlude or anything. We just think they sound neat.)
Also, MJ12's "look at us, look at what they make us give" and the general emphasis and key theme of sacrifice that is apparently so key to destiny and the Awakened.
I wonder... Did the Order of Reason understand sacrifice better than the Traditions? They decided that they didn't want Wizard Lords and God-kings ruling over mankind, and terrible creatures cleansing or feeding upon humanity. They thought that humanity should have power. And they worked to make that happen.
At some point, their emphasis switched to gaining and keeping control over people, for the sake of better being able to protect and guide and help them of course. I imagine that's around when the Invisible College became Control, and when they decided that had to become more than fallible men but an idea.
What did the Traditions want? What was their goal, their purpose? (Both before, and after, the Order of Reason was founded -- because after the OoR was founded I imagine that in time the Traditions basically focused on "opposing the OoR".) Was it to achieve Ascension?
To me, a goal like just seems so... transcendental and ephemeral that it just can't really be grasped or easily worked-towards-to.
Sirrocco
Pedantic
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[x]"We are defined, not by our pasts, but by our choices and our sacrifices"
...because who she was is insight into who she is now, and it gives a fuller picture, but it doesn't really change much. She has undergone so many state changes, each at least partially the result of some choice that she herself made, and each of them called for her to sacrifice something that would never come again. It may be that her past returning to her will have a major effect on who and what she is - but if so, it is only because it causes her to choose again, and sacrifice again... and regardless of her choices here, she will never again be who she was.
Of course, this is basically true for *all* mages, but that's kind of what makes it a lesson, no? It's just that she's rather had her face rubbed in it recently. Also, it seems kind of fitting for the insight that brings her to finally let go of The Lie.
Also, it seems better to offer a new lesson, rather than rehashing one of the ones handed to us before.
edit: In retrospect, this one is at best refurbished from stuff that @MJ12 Commando handed out before, but it's still an upgrade, right?
...because who she was is insight into who she is now, and it gives a fuller picture, but it doesn't really change much. She has undergone so many state changes, each at least partially the result of some choice that she herself made, and each of them called for her to sacrifice something that would never come again. It may be that her past returning to her will have a major effect on who and what she is - but if so, it is only because it causes her to choose again, and sacrifice again... and regardless of her choices here, she will never again be who she was.
Of course, this is basically true for *all* mages, but that's kind of what makes it a lesson, no? It's just that she's rather had her face rubbed in it recently. Also, it seems kind of fitting for the insight that brings her to finally let go of The Lie.
Also, it seems better to offer a new lesson, rather than rehashing one of the ones handed to us before.
edit: In retrospect, this one is at best refurbished from stuff that @MJ12 Commando handed out before, but it's still an upgrade, right?
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Nolrai
weak to fangs
- Location
- Porltand
Eh, really I think that's more their justification for their real goal of oppose the OoR/TU. It's vagueness let's the Traditions be a big tent. Now this is not too say that subgroups of the traditions don't have interpretations of this that are concrete and focused enough to be actual goals and not just "company values" so to speak.
On the other hand, having a stronger focus is what let the OoR win the war.
Plus a unified command structure, which is a huge, huge asset.
Aleph
Princess of Stabbity
- Location
- The sixth circle of Hell (second on weekends)
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Well, one possibility as far as Jamelia's lesson goes is to base it on the conecpt of self, and identity. The way that she can look back on Jazmin's tsuntsun and wide-eyed youth, or the Waitress's religion and fear, or Chibimelia's... um, everything, and think "I'm not any of them anymore". But at the same time she can look back on Jazmin's competitiveness and "so annoying", the Waitress's infiltration of a Union hideout and confusing Blanc with "Café Dar" and Chibimelia's... uh, also everything, and smile fondly and go "... yeah, that's me".
Who is Jamelia Belltower? She's been many different people - the little girl remembering Cemal and looking for her father, the young woman mustering her courage and investigating the unknown, the rookie operative believing in the Union and being competitive and tsundere, the heartbroken mother giving up her child and her life to earn a second chance, the experienced Director who's jaded and cynical and pragmatic and still just a little bit idealistic.
All different. All the same. All part of the same thread. All Jamelia.
"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
Who is Jamelia Belltower? She's been many different people - the little girl remembering Cemal and looking for her father, the young woman mustering her courage and investigating the unknown, the rookie operative believing in the Union and being competitive and tsundere, the heartbroken mother giving up her child and her life to earn a second chance, the experienced Director who's jaded and cynical and pragmatic and still just a little bit idealistic.
All different. All the same. All part of the same thread. All Jamelia.
"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
"Freedom is what you do with what's been done with you" and "We cannot escape anguish. It is what we are."
Except replace "freedom" with something more fitting. Replace "anguish" with something, like sacrifice maybe since the role/goal/identity of NWO, Fatebringers, and the Awakened all involve sacrifice.
Spec Ops quotes make everything better.
"What you do, and what has been done to you."
(Or if you want, try to work in Spec Ops quotes which themselves are apparently Sartre quotes.
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I got the same sense of "Jamelia isn't like all those people anymore. But I can see some of her in them, and some of them in her."
Except replace "freedom" with something more fitting. Replace "anguish" with something, like sacrifice maybe since the role/goal/identity of NWO, Fatebringers, and the Awakened all involve sacrifice.
Spec Ops quotes make everything better.
Hmm... So something like "Who you are is a mix of who you were, what you sacrificed, what happened to you, and what you do." Except hopefully more witty.
"What you do, and what has been done to you."
(Or if you want, try to work in Spec Ops quotes which themselves are apparently Sartre quotes.
)Yeah. All that. Waitress Jamelia and Chibimelia were both... gah, I am seriously suffering from not-being-good-at-expressing-yourself here, but... They were both... bold? They also didn't just leave things be. Chibimelia was not content to let lie the issue with her father and decided to take action. Waitress Jamelia decided to investigate something that looked suspicious, looked mysterious and important.
I got the same sense of "Jamelia isn't like all those people anymore. But I can see some of her in them, and some of them in her."
[X] CyberSolutions/DNA. They work well together, and both have strangely ahead-of-time-table technology.
-> [X] They're publicly listed corporations. Might as well go visit.
-> [X] With all due caution and a plausible cover story. Fortunately, the amalgam has recently clashed with werewolves who were carrying out very strange EDE-human hybridisation attempts, using RD-aligned members of the masses as prepared hosts. It's a very good thing that Dr. Gregory Hirsch was - when Jamelia knew him - someone who had a cursory education in DSci as well as being a biologist, and - if the rumours are true, DNA clashes with werewolves, so he may well know if he's seen something similar. A perfectly sensible and reasonable man to contact given the recent experiences of the amalgam, as he's still listed as an active asset of the Union.
Caution is our watchword here. Jamelia doesn't remember from her own patchwork memories whether Squadron 6 was clued in on Vigilance - she's fairly sure that HELMETSHRIKE wasn't just a cover op, and not all the 'Shrikes' missions were Vigilance ones - although the fact that Hirsch is listed as currently NTK/VIGILANCE does suggest that it's the case, or that he was recruited later. So she's going to approach him like someone who vaguely remembers him as being pertinent to a case which has come up recently, following textbook standard protocols for approaching an agent who may be in a cover op.
For this, she'll take Kessler with him, as both a bodyguard and because he was the one who saw the werewolf experiments with EDE possession of RD sympathisers in person, so is a valid data source. Henriette and Donald can count as the Support agents for this, if it comes down to it, because Donald can engage the corporate side of things and Henriette is a uber leet haxxor who can do remote hacking of even isolated networks if Jamelia gets in to plant a few bugs (if it comes down to it - it may not).
And;
[X] Start looking at government agencies. There have always been government agencies that have been Technocratic fronts. Some of them even survived being disavowed.
-> [X] Henriette and Donald's poking around has also revealed hints that DNA and CyberSolutions provide black-books solutions of near-mass-production technology to the US government - and maybe even stranger things.
--> [X] Vanguard Special Crimes Unit of the FBI, which is the crime unit which investigates anomalous crime - it is rumoured - has been found in the possession of what looks like 70s and 80s-era Union fieldtech. Things like instant DNA scanners and advanced tranq rounds. There are even rumours that they might make use of psychics - which of course the FBI laughs at in a slightly embarrassed way.
Sinister tech companies with tech just a bit above of the tech curve are natural allies for specialist government conspiracies hidden in the FBI. And if it looks a lot like they're showing up with obsolete near-Consensus gear remarkably similar to Union gear from a few decades ago and who also may well have a corps of trained weak psychics and are baaaaaaaaasically CSI: Urban Horror and thus do in fact have software which can enhance images beyond the physical resolution of the camera which took the picture.
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This means Serafina and Rose will not be available for it, and that means they're probably off doing Progenitor-y things. Or Serafina is trying to see if she can interact with Reina without hurting Rose or her sense of identity. And Serafina still needs some rest time to recover fully.
-> [X] They're publicly listed corporations. Might as well go visit.
-> [X] With all due caution and a plausible cover story. Fortunately, the amalgam has recently clashed with werewolves who were carrying out very strange EDE-human hybridisation attempts, using RD-aligned members of the masses as prepared hosts. It's a very good thing that Dr. Gregory Hirsch was - when Jamelia knew him - someone who had a cursory education in DSci as well as being a biologist, and - if the rumours are true, DNA clashes with werewolves, so he may well know if he's seen something similar. A perfectly sensible and reasonable man to contact given the recent experiences of the amalgam, as he's still listed as an active asset of the Union.
Caution is our watchword here. Jamelia doesn't remember from her own patchwork memories whether Squadron 6 was clued in on Vigilance - she's fairly sure that HELMETSHRIKE wasn't just a cover op, and not all the 'Shrikes' missions were Vigilance ones - although the fact that Hirsch is listed as currently NTK/VIGILANCE does suggest that it's the case, or that he was recruited later. So she's going to approach him like someone who vaguely remembers him as being pertinent to a case which has come up recently, following textbook standard protocols for approaching an agent who may be in a cover op.
For this, she'll take Kessler with him, as both a bodyguard and because he was the one who saw the werewolf experiments with EDE possession of RD sympathisers in person, so is a valid data source. Henriette and Donald can count as the Support agents for this, if it comes down to it, because Donald can engage the corporate side of things and Henriette is a uber leet haxxor who can do remote hacking of even isolated networks if Jamelia gets in to plant a few bugs (if it comes down to it - it may not).
And;
[X] Start looking at government agencies. There have always been government agencies that have been Technocratic fronts. Some of them even survived being disavowed.
-> [X] Henriette and Donald's poking around has also revealed hints that DNA and CyberSolutions provide black-books solutions of near-mass-production technology to the US government - and maybe even stranger things.
--> [X] Vanguard Special Crimes Unit of the FBI, which is the crime unit which investigates anomalous crime - it is rumoured - has been found in the possession of what looks like 70s and 80s-era Union fieldtech. Things like instant DNA scanners and advanced tranq rounds. There are even rumours that they might make use of psychics - which of course the FBI laughs at in a slightly embarrassed way.
Sinister tech companies with tech just a bit above of the tech curve are natural allies for specialist government conspiracies hidden in the FBI. And if it looks a lot like they're showing up with obsolete near-Consensus gear remarkably similar to Union gear from a few decades ago and who also may well have a corps of trained weak psychics and are baaaaaaaaasically CSI: Urban Horror and thus do in fact have software which can enhance images beyond the physical resolution of the camera which took the picture.
...
This means Serafina and Rose will not be available for it, and that means they're probably off doing Progenitor-y things. Or Serafina is trying to see if she can interact with Reina without hurting Rose or her sense of identity. And Serafina still needs some rest time to recover fully.
What're your thoughts on the revival of Cunning Squid? Too exploitative of Cross in his newly-promoted position? Not relevant enough to current affairs and would appear too personal for Jamelia to be backing the revival of an old, old team mate?
And when approaching the Vanguard Special Crimes Unit of the FBI, should we be concerned about the fact that Jamelia is still on a terrorist watchlist?
Also, since I think it hasn't been mentioned yet -- Yay, Cross! He's finally back, we get a scene or two of him doing stuff. He was with us for a brief time in Moscow, but he was cool.
And when approaching the Vanguard Special Crimes Unit of the FBI, should we be concerned about the fact that Jamelia is still on a terrorist watchlist?
Also, since I think it hasn't been mentioned yet -- Yay, Cross! He's finally back, we get a scene or two of him doing stuff. He was with us for a brief time in Moscow, but he was cool.
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- Southern Virginia
So some scattered thoughts on what Jamelia has learned and can take away.
First of all, "know thyself" is a pretty important injunction when it comes to wisdom. Jamelia's fragmented and unreliable memories were and are an obstacle to that, and thus enlightenment in a broader sense. Still, she's learned a few things from recovering those memories and from looking around at others.
I think she may be able to admit to herself that her outward cynicism and insistence that she builds up her acquaintances through manipulation simply as a cynical development of assets is, ultimately, a defense mechanism. Rose is right, she's only pretending to do so; and if she can't even fool a five-year who is she trying to fool? Herself, of course. It's the same thing for the Chameleon Vice, her stubborn inability to reveal herself to others. It's all a defense mechanism to keep her distant from others so she won't trust them. Not ever again, after Starling's betrayal. That is part of what she gave up, all too willingly.
And yet Senex's lessons and her own memories make it clear that could be a fatal flaw. The inability to trust anyone else may be as bad as gullibility in trusting too many people too deeply. But aren't both extremes all too human?
And speaking of humanity, there's Blanc and his sneering at human weakness. Jamelia by now has the example and words of Senex, and Gretkov's confession of what was done to him, and can probably make the leap that Blanc (and Control in general) has probably "transcended" human weakness by becoming EDEs, whether ghosts or spirits. And it's made them into caricatures of what they were. Though for the most powerful members of Control that might not have made much difference. Still, while humanity is weakness it is also potential; Blanc can now never be anything other than what he is.
Jamelia is a very different person than the person in her memories. She is still herself. She can change and remain herself. That is power.
First of all, "know thyself" is a pretty important injunction when it comes to wisdom. Jamelia's fragmented and unreliable memories were and are an obstacle to that, and thus enlightenment in a broader sense. Still, she's learned a few things from recovering those memories and from looking around at others.
I think she may be able to admit to herself that her outward cynicism and insistence that she builds up her acquaintances through manipulation simply as a cynical development of assets is, ultimately, a defense mechanism. Rose is right, she's only pretending to do so; and if she can't even fool a five-year who is she trying to fool? Herself, of course. It's the same thing for the Chameleon Vice, her stubborn inability to reveal herself to others. It's all a defense mechanism to keep her distant from others so she won't trust them. Not ever again, after Starling's betrayal. That is part of what she gave up, all too willingly.
And yet Senex's lessons and her own memories make it clear that could be a fatal flaw. The inability to trust anyone else may be as bad as gullibility in trusting too many people too deeply. But aren't both extremes all too human?
And speaking of humanity, there's Blanc and his sneering at human weakness. Jamelia by now has the example and words of Senex, and Gretkov's confession of what was done to him, and can probably make the leap that Blanc (and Control in general) has probably "transcended" human weakness by becoming EDEs, whether ghosts or spirits. And it's made them into caricatures of what they were. Though for the most powerful members of Control that might not have made much difference. Still, while humanity is weakness it is also potential; Blanc can now never be anything other than what he is.
Jamelia is a very different person than the person in her memories. She is still herself. She can change and remain herself. That is power.
[] Cross has access to a lot more information and a very high security clearance now. He can help you find something. A braintape of Constable Ami Shirai, labeled "DO NOT RESUSCITATE." She might be bitter about it but she might know what really happened in the 80s. She might know more about Vigilance.
This can go wrong...
On the other hand everything can.
And I doubt "DO NOT RESUSCITATE." was Ami's idea.
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Leaving it for later, till we know more.
[X] CyberSolutions/DNA. They work well together, and both have strangely ahead-of-time-table technology.
-[X] They're publicly listed corporations. Might as well go visit.
Getting to the ground with Vigilnce can be very worth it.
And can result in important allies. Or a clusterfuck. Or both.
[X] Aleph's Demesne is your target. It lets you go the deepest into the past, and the dirty secrets, of the Technocratic Union.
High risk/High payoff option.
Still, since we decided to tackle General next...
I think we really should do this.
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And regarding enlightenment:
I really, really like Aleph's write in.
Being able to recognize that whatever changes occur you are still, bascially, yourself...
That you can be many contradicting things at once, have been many more in the past, change in future...
But still be You...
This is probably the most important lesson, right here.
This can go wrong...
On the other hand everything can.
And I doubt "DO NOT RESUSCITATE." was Ami's idea.
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Leaving it for later, till we know more.
[X] CyberSolutions/DNA. They work well together, and both have strangely ahead-of-time-table technology.
-[X] They're publicly listed corporations. Might as well go visit.
Getting to the ground with Vigilnce can be very worth it.
And can result in important allies. Or a clusterfuck. Or both.
[X] Aleph's Demesne is your target. It lets you go the deepest into the past, and the dirty secrets, of the Technocratic Union.
High risk/High payoff option.
Still, since we decided to tackle General next...
I think we really should do this.
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And regarding enlightenment:
I really, really like Aleph's write in.
Being able to recognize that whatever changes occur you are still, bascially, yourself...
That you can be many contradicting things at once, have been many more in the past, change in future...
But still be You...
This is probably the most important lesson, right here.
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It's the moral issues which concern me. Let's be blunt here, the most likely way it will occur is that it'll be essentially an act of technonecromancy. I believe with the spheres available to the party, what will happen is that Serafina takes the braintape, makes a beta-level sim of a woman who's suicidal, and even if she is willing to talk, she'll beg to be allowed to die again as soon as it's over. It's a desecration of what she wanted, and it's not like Jamelia Bot who was willing as a beta-level to self-terminate and be created. It's treating someone who Jamelia probably was at least friendly rivals with as a source of information and little more. Blanc would do it without hesitation, but it's much the same as if someone took a braintape made of Jazmin when she was at her total breakdown stage, and reactivated it to pump it for information.
And unfortunately, if we were to ask Ethical Compliance about the morality of it, Cross would probably just say something like "It's ethical if it is necessary for the mission" or something else which demonstrate exactly why Li wanted him in the role.
Now, having said it, it wouldn't surprise me if Jamelia does do exactly this - after all, she's not as nice as she pretends, even if she's nicer than she lets herself believe. I just don't think she'd do it as a first choice, probably while rationalising that she doesn't want to taint her relationship with Cross until he's more settled and she's got some leverage on him or she can maneuver him into thinking that he wants her back. And she's likely to go in heavily prepped and set up to at least try to make a genuine effort to talk her back from the edge.
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Hmm. Potentially promising at least as a Li-slowing measure, actually, is to persuade Cross that Ethical Compliance could do with something like an Ethics Advisory Board representing diverse interests and viewpoints across the Progenitors - including the older, less militarised members of DC - who he can talk to and delegate things to. He knows he doesn't think exactly like a naturally-raised person, and this way (Jamelia can point out) Ethical Compliance can look at things from the PoV of the Progenitors as a whole. Possibly even (although he'll possibly feel that's pushing too far) representatives from the other Conventions to stop it from turning into a too-closed in Progenitor thing.
And purely hypothetically, someone like Squid who can provide a balancing viewpoint of how old DC used to be and point out things like mission creep and drift without the accumulated bitterness of the members who've lived through the years of DC changing, might be a useful viewpoint for Cross to take account of.
By what logic do you come to that conclusion?
Because as far as we're aware from provided information, she killed herself. Considering Serafina's angsting when she was contemplating the same about how her parents would just have her brought back and there was no way out, that seems to be an entirely relevant concern if you're suicidal and think people will respect a DO NOT RESUSCITATE flag on your mindtape.
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I guess it's safe to assume that this backup couldn't conveniently be revived to a state before Squid became suicidal. (I think that's what one possible outcome to Serafina's suicide could have been -- that her parents ensure she's revived, except with memories of Moscow excised so that she doesn't just commit suicide again.) Somebody dead for that long probably couldn't be brought back too easily, and probably can't be as conveniently managed.
Unless you go at their brain with Mind procedures and change them to not be suicidal. Which is even more unethical. And creepy.
Unless you go at their brain with Mind procedures and change them to not be suicidal. Which is even more unethical. And creepy.
Yeeep.
He's probably just running off of suspicion and paranoia. Such as Cunning Squid maybe being a liability to somebody and thus getting a DNR on her. Though if somebody wanted that, then they could just have ensured she couldn't be revived at all rather than bothering with putting a DNR on her.
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- in the trash
I think what might have happened is that someone tried to rescusitate her and she just committed suicide again. Or run a simulation and determined that she'd do just that.
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Honestly with all the brainwashing and mind alteration going around I am simply not sure if it was truly Ami who committed suicide and asked this label to be put on her tape beforehand, or if she was killed by, for example, Blanc and the tape marked because she knew something that should not be known, but Blanc wanted a possibility to revive her later, or other possibilities.
I would very much like at least to be sure that it was, indeed, her wish to remain dead.
Were I sure it was the case, than I would leave this avenue of inquiry to be an absolute last resort.
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Ivan the Not-so-Terrible
AH MEW CHEEKI BREEKI I V DAMKE
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- Mikonyan’s USSR
If she wanted not to be revived, wouldn't she have asked for the tape to be destroyed? Keeping the tape means someone wants her to be usable.
She's ex-Vigilance, right? Maybe her braintape's being kept as a possible asset that's too risky to leave active.
She's ex-Vigilance, right? Maybe her braintape's being kept as a possible asset that's too risky to leave active.
Unless you're a confirmed Nephandi, the Technocracy wouldn't destroy your backups, even if you're a traitor, a rogue agent, or anything else.
After all, sometimes the best weapon to use against a rogue agent is a slightly altered version of themselves.
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- Southern Virginia
So, about Ms. Cross...
Anyway the morality of bringing back Shirai is potentially troublesome, but being suicidal is not a rational-ethical choice that needs to be respected. If she was so traumatized by Starling's betrayal that she felt the need to kill herself in Labyrinth assaults that's kind of a sign of mental illness. How did it go untreated in the Technocracy? Well her teammates were probably in no position whatsoever to intervene with her or on her behalf, and the obvious suspicion is that it served someone's interests to allow her to kill herself.
If we bring her back we'd better be prepared to make sure she has psychological treatment (as opposed to "hyperpsychological treatment" that is just brainwashing or mind-hacking) and support from the other survivors. If they can be trusted it might be a good idea to give them a say in what to do with the braintape, in fact. But that may be something to leave for later, after other avenues of investigation have been exhausted.
- Location
- in the trash
[X]Braintape
[X]Aleph's Demesne
[X]Aleph's Demesne