Well, first of all, there's the fact that Henriette is only even functional inside her vehicle, which is probably Horribly Vulgar when inside the caern. It's also one of our heaviest assets as far as raw power goes. Slapping her into the breeding pens gives us the worst of both worlds - it grinds itself into ineffectiveness against the local paradigm and we don't even get to take advantage of its firepower.

Second, taking the Tyrants into the core, while leaving the ItXers behind? that's not so hot. Personally, though, I wouldn't try to take control of the operation. It's not our operation to take control of. Instead, let the ItXers do most of the planning. Offer Kessler to support the "penetrate the core" mission (since he's beefy, and stuffed full of primium), leave Henriette outside in her car as security and in-house SHOCKWAVE-equivalent, suggest that the TYRANT sniper stay with her (since as a sniper, that's the sort of thign he's good at) and have Jamelia in a support role (since, really, as far as this op is concerned, she can do just as much good as a voice on the other end of the comms as she can in person - especially now that she has the DSci to let her run correspondence effects into the caern itself). Then let the TYRANT team decide how they're going to deploy, and leave the rest to the ItX types who are running this. Assist, rather than seizing control.

Almost certainly, there should be at least some ItX going into the core. Again, it's their op.
You make a good point about leaving Command to the other factions in this. If we, the voters, could get some information on alternate leaders for the op, that would be nice. @MJ12 Commando, some dossiers on people like the Grey Lady and the Tyrants would be useful for this.

I will edit this into my vote.

That said, Having Henriette working as our "SHOCKWAVE" code is something that I am opposed to. Put her and her supercar in as a nice Primium-covered bastion for ItX to rally around. I would be open to having her and the majority of ItX running a perimeter though.

Also, Jamelia doesn't really have enough DiSci to do more than act as a spotter for where the furries are.
 
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Please let me know what you see to be wrong with this.

Let me put it to this way.

Your plan is to send the Tyrants, who are a heavy NWO element who the NWO have put a lot of work into making for a specific role, but who aren't relatively so heavy by Iteration X standards, into the heaviest fighting, and as they will see it deprive them of the "giant armoured robot" support.

Your plan is to send Henriette in to kill dumb animals when she has previously expressed moral objections to "Kill them, even the babies and the puppies" plan, and literally the last chapter hammered in how people get worn down by what they do in the name of the Union.

Did you really think that "going into the breeding pens and killing everything there" was un-mockingly labelled as "heroism!"?
 
Tyrant Spheres/Backgrounds
You make a good point about leaving Command to the other factions in this. If we, the voters, could get some information on alternate leaders for the op, that would be nice. @MJ12 Commando, some dossiers on people like the Grey Lady and the Tyrants would be useful for this.


The Tyrants

Operative Jaron Belltower
Cybernetic Replacement Level (CRL):
85%
Notable Augmentations: Full-body conversion optimized for general combat use. Carbon nanotube musculature, primium skeletal members.
Spheres: Correspondence 3, Entropy 3, Forces 3, Matter 3, Mind 3, Time 3
Notes: Ex-Mossad, recruited ~1995 by NWO. Served as combat field operative until 2000, commanded unconventional warfare Constructs until 2013. Volunteered, elective augmentation, 2013 after encounter with Rogue Council Singularitans led to heavy injury.

Operative Julianna Briony
Cybernetic Replacement Level (CRL):
68%
Notable Augmentations: Smartskin replacement of dermal layers with armored shapeshifting system. Cosmetic implants and polymorphic skeleton allow for successful emulation of ~98% of human body shapes and figures. Light primium mesh protects vitals from RD assault. Low power forcefield provides additional protection for vital organs in combat mode, in stealth mode provides stealth field to disguise cybernetic implants. Integrated nanotech multitool.
Spheres: Mind 3, Life 3, Correspondence 2, Time 3, Matter 3
Notes: Originally part of Project PALLADIUM, cybernetically enhanced espionage agents. After program cessation in 1997, spent most of her time in deep cover infiltration operations until volunteering for TYRANT in 2012. Earliest operational Tyrant, completed 4 solo missions successfully, with 1 abort due to equipment malfunction.

Operative Jorge Bautista
Cybernetic Replacement Level (CRL):
50%
Notable Augmentations: QuickDraw Reaction Speed Booster, Deadeye Targeting Enhancement Booster, Wukong Jump Booster. "Heimdall" cybereyes with full-spectrum all-aspect scan capability. Muscle replacement designed for high-precision high-speed use: Sacrifices ~25% typical cyborg unit strength to provide unerring precision and speed of movement. Largely biological torso protected by subdermal primium plating and "Pachydermis" armorweave. All four limbs are cybernetic.
Spheres: Correspondence 2, Forces 2, Time 2, Primal Utility 2, Mind 1
Notes: Special forces sniper, recruited 1998 for NWO counter-assault teams. Heavily wounded by RD attack in Iraq, 2006. Due to overbooking of regen tanks, chose cybernetic modification to return to combat quickly. Low empathy for non-ingroup personnel. Preferred weapon: "Michelle", SR-1998 12mm hypervelocity flechette rifle, customized with advanced smartlink, low-corrosion primium coated rails (for superior stopping power) and personalized features.

Operative Juliet Baxter
Cybernetic Replacement Level (CRL):
85%
Notable Augmentations: Full-body conversion optimized for general combat use. Carbon nanotube musculature, primium skeletal members.
Spheres: Correspondence 2, Dimensional Science 3, Forces 2, Life 2, Matter 2, Mind 2
Notes: NWO "Ghostbuster", worked extensively with Void Engineer Neutralization Specialist Corps. Curiosity about current Void Engineer plans led to her being recommended to Tyrant by higher-ups.

Operative Jacob Brown
Cybernetic Replacement Level (CRL):
75%
Notable Augmentations: Skin chameleonware-full spectrum stealth dampening and light protection against incoming weapons fire. Lightweight foamed-primium skeleton with amorphous diamondoid struts provides high strength-weight ratio. Myomer Accelerator System Circuitry allows for bursts of extreme speed. Primium-edged nanoceramic retractable blades for close-in assassination.
Spheres: Correspondence 3, Forces 2, Time 3
Notes: Ex-SAS veteran, sole survivor of shapeshifter attack on his squad in 1995. Dedicated NWO anti-shapeshifter hunter-killer, 5 confirmed shapeshifter kills. Volunteered for TYRANT for the chance to even the odds against shapeshifters further.

Operative Jacqueline Beauchene
Cybernetic Replacement Level (CRL):
93%
Notable Augmentations: Heavy combat unit, equivalent/possibly superior to Iteration X exojocks. Chassis is an Enlightened Shock Corps ATLAS derivative. Extensive nanoceramic and primium armoring. Minimal synthflesh-sole locations are torso, hands/feet, and face. Integrated weapons: Claymore defensive system, electroshock ability, kinetic-reactive nano-armor. Stealth field allows human appearance to be maintained for initial infiltration.
Spheres: Forces 4, Entropy 3, Time 3, Mind 1
Notes: Decorated NWO combat operative, heavily injured in shapeshifter attack in 2012. Volunteered for extensive combat cyberization.

Operative John Bacon
Cybernetic Replacement Level (CRL):
90%
Notable Augmentations: Creation Engine Nanoforge in torso. Carries feedstock. Advanced multitools in both arms, allowing for a wide variety of field modifications and repairs to equipment.
Spheres: Correspondence 2, Life 3, Matter 4, Primal Utility 4.
Notes: SAS recruit, washed out of SAS training due to injury. Recruited by NWO 2008. Volunteered for Tyrant 2010. Tyrant "Combat medic", specializing in cybernetic repairs.

Iteration X

Lt. Colonel William Kiet
CRL:
100%
Notable Augmentations: HITMark V Model 1978 (Heavy) + Aftermarket Modifications. Aftermarket Modifications include superconducting nervous system and fast-actuating crystalline polymer musculature for superhuman speed boosts and replacement of entire skeletal structure with True Primium as upgrade for success on high risk Construct assault. Highly resistant to Paradox effects due to True Primium endoskeleton. Heavy weapons integration: Deployable Magneto-Fusion Assault Cannon, Palm Bomb (single-shot high-caliber shotgun in hand), retractable blade, "Claymore" close in electromagnetic projector (fires spray of 5mm ball bearings out of concealed ports at hypervelocity to eliminate melee attackers)
Spheres: None
Notes: HITMark V built in 1985. Veteran of over 200 combat missions. Promoted to command role 2003 after Dimensional Anomaly caused reevaluation of use of HITMarks in advisory or command roles. Friendly with staff both combatant and noncombatant with no cyberpsychosis issues, but has HITMark basal programming. Does not feel pity, or remorse, or fear. Lack of pity for enemies allows for potential ethical overreach.

There are more Iteration X ones, but Kiet is probably the most important right now. Unless some people actually want to know more about certain character archetypes if they exist...
 
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The point about the DSci is that she can see in - which should be enough to let her use correspondence to use all of her other abilities at a distance, just like she can in the real world without use of DSci.
DiSci 1 provides line-of-sight. DiSci 2 provides line-of-effect. Right now, she doens't have enough metaphysical skill to do anything more than look past a dimensional barrier.

Let me put it to this way.

Your plan is to send the Tyrants, who are a heavy NWO element who the NWO have put a lot of work into making for a specific role, but who aren't relatively so heavy by Iteration X standards, into the heaviest fighting, and as they will see it deprive them of the "giant armoured robot" support.

Your plan is to send Henriette in to kill dumb animals when she has previously expressed moral objections to "Kill them, even the babies and the puppies" plan, and literally the last chapter hammered in how people get worn down by what they do in the name of the Union.

Did you really think that "going into the breeding pens and killing everything there" was un-mockingly labelled as "heroism!"?

Ahh.

I guess that I was seeing the Tyrants as a lot heavier than they are here. I was thinking of them as Kessler-level heavy, which is what we've had the most access to due to, ya know, having Kessler on the team. Also, I was really thinking that they would be doing much heavy fighting until they hit the leaders. More Splinter Cell than Halo.

I must have missed the "Henriette objects" parts, or at least forgotten about them, because that didn't even cross my mind. Also, the comparison with last chapter doesn't quite hold, given that the innocent bystanders at the factory were probably just working their jobs. Anyone inside the Cairn is an enemy by default.

Now that you have pointed that out, I am willing to change things around. Do you have any ideas on how to lay out our forces?

And yeah, I kind of did... Guess I am slipping into the hardline Pogromite mindset too much.
 
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There are more Iteration X ones, but Kiet is probably the most important right now. Unless some people actually want to know more about certain character archetypes if they exist...
Besides Jamelia, Juliet Baxter, Kessler, and Rose, how many people could we potentially bring that have at least Dimension Science 1 and Life 1 (since that's the minimum needed to detect hiding werewolves)? Also, does Juliet have the needed spheres, paradigm, and equipment to locate and track the werewolves from outside their hideout? I'm guessing she doesn't, but just want to check. While I'm thinking about it, I want to confirm that Rose can totally stab a shapeshifter hiding on the other side of a mirror, right? Lastly, should I be worried about cyborgs without dots in matter for this assault?

Regardless, I'd like to assign at least one person capable of detecting hiding werewolves to each assault group, since surprise werewolves sucks. It looks like we have four and half groups, namely penetrate to the core, take out the breeding pens, take out the armory, secure the perimeter, and a reserve/support group. Besides assigning a dimension science specialist to each group, should we split the tyrants? If we want to convince Iteration X that they can count on the other conventions, it seems like the best method might be to let them see the other conventions in action. On the other hand, if the group works best together, then it might be a bad idea to break them up. I agree that we probably want to keep Henriette with the Reserve, since she likely won't last long in her mech (and she might have enough correspondence to provide support?). We probably also want to be careful who we assign to attack the breeding pens. Besides William Kiet, would Jacob Brown, Jacqueline Beauchene, or anyone else be particularly willing to join this mission?
 
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I must have missed the "Henriette objects" parts, or at least forgotten about them, because that didn't even cross my mind. Also, the comparison with last chapter doesn't quite hold, given that the innocent bystanders at the factory were probably just working their jobs. Anyone inside the Cairn is an enemy by default.

The wolves brought it onto themselves for being born carrying the shapeshifter disease.

Besides Jamelia, Juliet Baxter, Kessler, and Rose, how many people could we potentially bring that have at least Dimension Science 1 and Life 1 (since that's the minimum needed to detect hiding werewolves)? Also, does Juliet have the needed spheres, paradigm, and equipment to locate and track the werewolves from outside their hideout? I'm guessing she doesn't, but just want to check. While I'm thinking about it, I want to confirm that Rose can totally stab a shapeshifter hiding on the other side of a mirror, right? Lastly, should I be worried about cyborgs without dots in matter for this assault?

Kiet, Beauchene, Brown, and Bautista all have the ability to see via Dimensional Science 1 (cybereye function). Similarly you do have DSci1 mirrorshades/optics as semi-common equipment.

Also, Kiet is a commander, he's just a field commander. He's bringing his (HITMark) buddies to the show, and various other killy robots with flamethrowers. Some of them are even specifically hardened designs like the HITMark I [HEV], which runs off of nanomechanical systems like nanoscale mechanical computers and diamondoid springs in a primium case, designed specifically so it can ignore tech-hostile paradigms while having reasonable combat performance.
 
You make a compelling point.

How viable is taking the breeding pens intact and turning the cubs over to the Progenitors/Syndicate/NWO/other for retraining and joining the Union?

Just so we're on the same page here...we've talking about killing their parents and then taking the children pups to raise as our own, to train them to hunt down their own kind?

Nothing could possibly go wrong.
 
Just so we're on the same page here...we've talking about killing their parents and then taking the children pups to raise as our own, to train them to hunt down their own kind?

Nothing could possibly go wrong.

Yes, I think we're on the same page here. "We totally shot your parents in the face, but they were assholes who had it coming. Now...who wants the ball?"
 
Might develop issues with our Glass Walker friends, mind.

Also... this is sounding kind of like the vitae factories. It's totally a doable thing. It's one that would occur to a lot of technocrats in similar situations (and similar situations happen regularly). So... why isn't it being done already? Why isn't it being done already at a scale large enough that we'd know about it? Surely there must be a reason.
 
Maybe have the Glass Walker allies foster the cubs?

This is all presupposing that taking the cubs alive is feasable (which I'm in no way convinced is the case). Priority would be the leadership.
 
Maybe have the Glass Walker allies foster the cubs?

This is all presupposing that taking the cubs alive is feasable (which I'm in no way convinced is the case). Priority would be the leadership.
That's... worse. The Glass Walker still mostly get along with the other werewolves. "Hey... we just slaughtered a bunch of your friends. Here's a bunch of the wolf kinfolk they were keeping. Some of them may turn out to be werewolves some day. You figure out what to do with them." This is not a good idea from the perspective of staying friends with them *or* having the baby werewolves not turn against us.
 
Yes, I think we're on the same page here. "We totally shot your parents in the face, but they were assholes who had it coming. Now...who wants the ball?"
First, it's less evil than killing the kids.

Second, in terms of the course of human history... this has totally worked. You could almost call it a repeatable result. You might want to hold off on the total honesty thing, but if you get kids early enough, they're going to imprint on your 'tribe'*.

Third- a caveat. This tried-and-true method may be less successful with non-human murderbeasts.

I'd say foster them out to the Glass Walkers if their connection to the Technocracy was more official.


*EDIT: It's an obvious enough thing that I'd be surprised if the Technocracy -hasn't- tried it before. Unless the records have been erased, we could at least find out what tends to go wrong.
 
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Look, killing lots of entities who never did anything to earn their deaths despite the misfortune of being born in the wrong place and to the wrong people is exactly what the NWO black ops enhanciles exist for, because the NWO can massage their brains afterwards until the pain goes away.

It'd be easier if the ones doing all the murdering were Syndicate, because we know that Profit Numbs The Feeling, but the NWO is the second-best choice.
 
Look, killing lots of entities who never did anything to earn their deaths despite the misfortune of being born in the wrong place and to the wrong people is exactly what the NWO black ops enhanciles exist for, because the NWO can massage their brains afterwards until the pain goes away.

It'd be easier if the ones doing all the murdering were Syndicate, because we know that Profit Numbs The Feeling, but the NWO is the second-best choice.
Oooh. Good point. Send the TYRANTs after the little kids.
 
First, it's less evil than killing the kids.

Second, in terms of the course of human history... this has totally worked. You could almost call it a repeatable result. You might want to hold off on the total honesty thing, but if you get kids early enough, they're going to imprint on your 'tribe'*.

Third- a caveat. This tried-and-true method may be less successful with non-human murderbeasts.

I'd say foster them out to the Glass Walkers if their connection to the Technocracy was more official.


*EDIT: It's an obvious enough thing that I'd be surprised if the Technocracy -hasn't- tried it before. Unless the records have been erased, we could at least find out what tends to go wrong.

Are we both thinking of Janissaries, or did you have something else in mind?

Also, I like the idea, but I'm willing to forgo it if it's deemed to be excessively impracticable.
 
Are we both thinking of Janissaries, or did you have something else in mind?

Also, I like the idea, but I'm willing to forgo it if it's deemed to be excessively impracticable.

Look - could we have someone run a quick correspondence/time rote and/or check the intra-Technocracy search engine on this one first? I guarantee it's been tried or at least considered before. Before we jump into it, let's find out what happened *last* time.
 
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