Both negative and positive on this.
Furthermore it shows a disconnect from reality to depict our position as self serving, when we are trying to help girls not die, and reduce the pressure on all the other small magical girl organizations.
It's Sachiko that is clearly operating from a self centered position that is focused on preserving her own assets and her future position instead of concern for the current needs of the magical girl population. It's the height of hypocrisy for her to accuse us of being self-serving.
Our position, as presented to Sachiko, is very much self-serving. Don't pretend that we aren't doing this for the opportunity to make a massive territory grab in Tokyo. Yes, we can use that territory for the betterment of meguca-kind, but Sachiko could claim the same for any money she earns. It's also not strictly necessary, just beneficial for us to go that route. It's a whitewashing of the situation, and is at best a secondary argument, particularly with incomplete information on each side.
Cooks and translators and clairvoyants and elites are all things we
want, and that we're happy to snatch up for our own personal benefit first and foremost. The money we want is because we flat out cannot sustain our organization without it if we claim the larger territory block. We
could aim for a smaller land grab, to stay within our means, but you have already made assertions that we need to get the larger amount of territory for our own personal power.
You have more faith in banks than I do if you think they wouldn't. But part of the issue is that you don't actually need this money to stop the outbreak. You need this money to benefit from stopping it.
I find this incredibly disturbing. I can totally understand Sachiko misunderstanding us like this, but you are presenting this as the GM stating a fact that is simply untrue. And I cannot comprehend how you came to this conclusion.
How is it in any way not true?
You are simply factually wrong in accusing us of needing this money to secure a position in Tokyo.
I would say that you're likely wrong in asserting that "securing a position of Tokyo" without outside assistance is equivalent to "not having our organization fall apart due to overextending ourselves, lack of resources, and collapsing morale".
You're also creating a false equivalency. As I noted above, securing a section of Tokyo with our current resources is possible. Securing the full section of Tokyo that you want with our current resources is not. By making that assertion, and not distinguishing between those factors, you're pretending that any accession of validity on the first part is equivalent to conceding validity of the second part.
We need this money for the refugees. We wouldn't even be approaching Sachiko for money if it were not for the refugee problem. Heck, we even sold a ton of grief cubes to Nagoya so we would have a war chest that specifically included a budget for funding expansion in Tokyo. It's just that first of all, the clearing of Tokyo is taking much longer than planned, and at a much greater expense, and second refugees are devouring our entire budget.
So you're conceding that circumstances are not complying with our original, idealized expectations. This is unsurprising, and does not negate the validity of the earlier assertions.
Now I can totally understand Sachiko being confused, and thinking we are selfishly focused on expanding into Tokyo, but for you as the GM to think that is nothing short of astounding. What thread have you been reading?
That you could say that with a straight face is nothing short of astounding. Have you read what you yourself have written in this thread?
And pointing out obliquely that we are taking on refugees and thus lessening the burden on the rest of the other magical girl organizations, and that maybe loaning us money actually does benefit her is somehow considered "unrelated?"
Calling that oblique is being a bit self-blind, but aside from that, it
was unrelated to the discussions at hand. We were talking over the details of how to get some money for future operations. Threats of refugees reaching her borders if she doesn't help pay for her "fair share" (and I still can't imagine how you can pretend that 1/6 of all refugees is 'fair'; maybe she's rich in dollars, but remember that the real balance sheet for magical girls is in cubes) are
explicitly unrelated to the business at hand. For all reasonable logistical dispersion, that threat is meaningless except in an attempt to gain extra leverage on the deal with a bluff dealing with "unrelated" circumstances.
But no, apparently our "lets all work together so we can save everyone!" is considered the height of selfish actions?
But that's not what you asked for. It's not what you said. Pretending otherwise now is being quite disingenuous.
And yeah, that generates some resentment. Now I'm able to ignore that because I see no reason to cut our nose off to spite our face, but it accentuates that Sachiko ought to be running a business, not a government.
Honestly, I can't believe what you're presenting as 'truth', here. I'm sure there's resentment, but mostly due to your approach, not Sachiko's response. My greatest fear right now is that we're sabotaging all of our relations with other groups by our behavior, similar to how things went bad with the Coalition because of our behavior in Iwata. Luckily this is fairly isolated, only connecting with Sachiko's group, but information and rumors have a way of spreading.
This is monstrously unfair. You have made it explicitly clear to us both IC and OOC that cities around the world are locked into cycles of youma outbreaks that can and have caused entire cities to be exterminated. You have made it clear that this is happening right now in Osaka, where despite the present example of Tokyo the local organizations are continuing to hunt to a level of DS that generates youma.
Sure, the glut of cubes will mean that for the first six to nine months after clearing the youma that Tokyo will be peaceful, but what happens after that? Realize that there will be obvious conflicts, both by outside powers coming in to grab a portion of the Tokyo pot, and by Tokyo organizations (both new and old) attempting to seize power. The stockpile of cubes will in someways make things worse, because organizations will be able to devote more resources to war instead of to hunting, depending on their cube stockpile to preserve them through the war.
On the other hand, I do completely agree with you on this. There's very little we'd actually need to do in the first ~six months after clearing Tokyo for magical girls to still be able to survive, there. However, as is already clear, people with different ideas about how things work do not get along very well, and that will necessarily result in a new round of youma problems, eventually.
Some degree of organized stability is needed; a way of resolving those rough edges before people start cutting each other with them. Individual self-interest is insufficient on its own. Perhaps a new Nagoya would emerge, but that would itself necessarily involve Tokyo going through what Nagoya went through, and if we don't learn from history, we're just being stupid.
While there are varying ways to do this, we might as well take the approach that benefits us the most (ie: self-serving), and does the least (expected) harm.
) rather than Sachiko. I mean, I could be wrong on that, but that was definitely my interpretation.
