Meguca Micro Empire Quest (PMMM)

What should I do regarding a change in system?

  • Notgreat's proposed simplification of hunting, leave rest intact.

    Votes: 5 55.6%
  • Chapter system vastly simplifying everything.

    Votes: 4 44.4%

  • Total voters
    9
  • Poll closed .
Actually, that's something I've been meaning to ask. @inverted_helix How bad are our Serena History booklets anyway? Are they just less effective in giving us a bonus, or do they make the initial relationship DC check harder?

How bad are our Hunting and Training Manuals?
They aren't a penalty. They just aren't as much of a bonus as you'd like.

Hunting and training manuals are similar, they explain things well enough that people can figure them out, but not very intuitively. Which in fairness it's hard to provide combat training through writing at the best of times anyways. That's why pretty much all combat training is done with instructors instead of books.


So on morale, time off is better. What about effectiveness and bonuses in combat? Would spending the off days reviewing after action reports and improving tactics provide a bonus?
A minor bonus. I mean this is basically just a morale vs combat choice.

Would everything get that effect? Or just certain actions? How big would the negative effect be? Would it impact the hunting actions?
The actions you're using the backlog for, all of them, malus dependent on just how little time is being used at the end of the month. Hunting penalty won't be in casualty risk, but instead in cube return.

Essentially I see both yours and kinematics versions as being pretty equally valid methodologies. Your combat review choice is essentially to improve their combat effectiveness a minor amount at a minor cost to morale. While the halftime vs backlog approach is essentially two different risk choices. Halftime risks that that won't actually be enough time, while backlog is actually safer in some ways but costs you a bit in effectiveness.

It's viable if I arrange hunting to get the extra vet out of it. Though part of me would rather let Mami work her diplomacy magic, even if just as 1/2 an elite. Dunno if that would be doable. @inverted_helix?
Not entirely sure the question. If you're only using Mami halftime in Tokyo than yeah half her time is free for other things.
 
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If we split it up into two picnics with Mami spending time with Serena and company I wouldn't object to it.

I'd prefer two picnics. One with Mami and Serena & Co. Once with Seto and everyone else in the Serenes.
That sounds reasonable.

Caveat: Mami wasn't entirely comfortable when first bringing Serena in, though part of that was the language barrier, and Mami's nervousness about the acceptability of the house (eg: checking for dust). Well, can always keep Hainako on dial for any complicated translations that they can't work through English.

Rewrite:

Mountain Hiking & Picnic (2.0 vet, $750): A day early in the month (after the first week in Tokyo) spent hiking and appreciating nature. Pack up snacks and a good picnic lunch, and do some mountain hiking in the nomadic area, with a picnic at the top. Have Mami accompany Serena, while Seto goes with the main group. Keep the groups separate since we still want to minimize aura exposure this month.

Also, inform the Nagoya teams that it would be good for them to take a day off to relax and enjoy themselves (and yes, we are very serious about that), in preparation for the more serious hunting we're about to head into. They're allowed Safe Passage in Mitakihara for the day.


Not entirely sure the question. If you're only using Mami halftime in Tokyo than yeah half her time is free for other things.
I meant, is it even possible to try for Safe Passage talks with Kofu with 1 vet and 0.5 Mami? Well, there's always the option of pulling 0.5 Nagisa off of the Pet Whisperer if we want to be sure of the 2 meguca units while keeping Mami, or pushing things through hunting so we just have 2.0 vets.
 
Oh, and one other option for the last 0.5 elite/1.0 vet: General review and training for the combat team. Actually, might be good to do that no matter what, as a general update for everyone, because we're also assuming we'll be cycling various people through (eg: barriers, healers) to avoid aura overexposure, so the people who weren't there on a given day need to be caught up on what happened.
 
Thoughts on changing this:

Review and Training (1.5 Serena's Team, 0.5 elite): Have Serena's group spend time reviewing the results of each day in Tokyo with our elites, and training to deal with the issues they encountered.

to this:

Review and Training (1.5 Serena's Team, 0.5 elite, 2.0 vets): Review the results of each day's time in Tokyo, and allow Serena's team time to train to improve on any weaknesses. Elites provide overview of what issues they saw for everyone, and share the info with the vets who weren't there that day, but are part of the roster.


This basically brings back some of Haman's training and review time for the vets, as well as Serena's team. Serena's team gets more hours out of this (this is about 3 hours per off day total, with about 1 hour of it spent on review). For the vets, it's less review from the elites, and more time working out coordination issues among themselves, and passing on what they learned to those who weren't there that day.

That will use up the last of my meguca.
 
Mountain Hiking & Picnic (2.0 vet, $750): A day early in the month (after the first week in Tokyo) spent hiking and appreciating nature. Pack up snacks and a good picnic lunch, and do some mountain hiking in the nomadic area, with a picnic at the top. Have Mami accompany Serena, while Seto goes with the main group. Keep the groups separate since we still want to minimize aura exposure this month.

I like this. I think I'll steal it and put it in my backlog. That way we can do it and get a morale bonus, but also get the combat bonus.

Also, inform the Nagoya teams that it would be good for them to take a day off to relax and enjoy themselves (and yes, we are very serious about that), in preparation for the more serious hunting we're about to head into. They're allowed Safe Passage in Mitakihara for the day.

On this though... I think we should just not say anything about this to Nagoya, and let them make their own decisions on how to do this. I mean... it makes us come across as a busybody to be telling another groups combat teams how to take time off.
 
On this though... I think we should just not say anything about this to Nagoya, and let them make their own decisions on how to do this. I mean... it makes us come across as a busybody to be telling another groups combat teams how to take time off.
OK, I'll remove that.

Would you say the plan is in it's final draft, or do you think it can be refined further?
I think final draft, with one possible adjustment: Dropping Nagisa from 1.0 to 0.5, and putting the spare 0.5 on Gossipmonger.
 
If we can figure out how to work the Diplomacy with Tokyo thing, I'll add that. And if I can figure out some sort of morale action, I'll add that.
Okay, so when it comes to diplomacy we obviously don't want to do a straight recruit anywhere in Area 15/16, Kofu, or Tokyo; with all the excitement of the Great Cleanse (or whatever we're calling the operation) it's both too early and too presumptive to be recruiting either outside the city, where word of the operation has not yet spread, or inside the city, where girls are still worrying about basic safety.

My initial thoughts were actually along the lines of what @Elder Haman articulated:
Not certain that there will be sectors cleared. Maybe in the early Stage 1 area, but once demons start fleeing it's not clear.
Because fully half of the Class 3s, along with the beholder itself, are teleport-capable, even in the areas that we've "cleared" there is the chance of a Class 3 jumping in and escaping our tandem clairvoyant team's sweeps. Therefore:

Diplomacy: Building a Tokyo Sensor Net (0.5 Mami, 1.5 vet): As we begin to clear Tokyo, start to set up a dispatch system and phone tree between all the meguca in Tokyo, especially the clairvoyants and teleporters, so the Tokyo girls can better coordinate between themselves for safety and call in a Serene airstrike on any Class 3s that wander into the cleared territory. If anyone seems interested in Serene manuals and/or recruiting literature feel free to give it to them (we might be willing to straight-up recruit an Elite or two, maybe some experienced clairvoyants), but for now the primary goal is creating a sensor net to catch any teleporting or stealthed Class 3 demons. Secondary goals include: keeping up positive contact between Tokyo girls and the Serene, getting Tokyo girls used to keeping in contact with each other, keeping Tokyo girls appraised of which areas are clear for solo hunting so they can build up grief cube stocks and begin to raise DS out of below negative-10 territory.

One of the big problems with fully clearing Tokyo is that so many of the Class 3s are teleport-capable, so in order to really pin them down we will need a large network of clairvoyants to keep most of Tokyo under constant surveillance. At the same time, one of the Serene's primary motivations for going into Tokyo in the first place is to make contact with the Tokyo meguca population, and hopefully persuade them to see our group favorably. It seems to me that there is a good synergy there.

Pack behavior is still my primary concern. I'm pointing out the lack of flexibility to deal with demon behavior different from what we are assuming.

Although, running away and pack behavior are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Running away when alone, and attacking in packs would be a reasonable reaction to our actions. Now I don't think the demons will adapt quickly enough to our actions for this to happen, but I'm trying to leave room for assumptions turning out to be wrong.
The problem with your plan and the possibility of emergent pack behavior is that working full time doesn't actually help against packs of Class 3s. The only way we'll be able to counter emerging pack behavior among Class 3s is to put Nagoya's much much stronger than us Elite teams inside Serena's aura, which is not a situation that is helped by a full-time commitment by our vet support team. In fact, in the case of the Class 3s "going to ground" in packs the vet teams are going to be completely useless, with the possible exception of the vet barrier girls; if Class 3 packs happen then we're probably better off dismissing the vet team completely and letting them get started on backlog items, since they won't be able to do any good at all.

If we split it up into two picnics with Mami spending time with Serena and company I wouldn't object to it.
The other problem with a nature hike is that it's January, and the average temperature is about 1.5 degrees C (about 35 degrees F for us Americans). If you then go into the mountains there will be snow, and lots of it; not exactly picnic weather.
 
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Diplomacy: Building a Tokyo Sensor Net (0.5 Mami, 1.5 vet): As we begin to clear Tokyo, start to set up a dispatch system and phone tree between all the meguca in Tokyo, especially the clairvoyants and teleporters, so the Tokyo girls can better coordinate between themselves for safety and call in a Serene airstrike on any Class 3s that wander into the cleared territory. If anyone seems interested in Serene manuals and/or recruiting literature feel free to give it to them (we might be willing to straight-up recruit an Elite or two, maybe some experienced clairvoyants), but for now the primary goal is creating a sensor net to catch any teleporting or stealthed Class 3 demons. Secondary goals include: keeping up positive contact between Tokyo girls and the Serene, getting Tokyo girls used to keeping in contact with each other, keeping Tokyo girls appraised of which areas are clear for solo hunting so they can build up grief cube stocks and begin to raise DS out of below negative-10 territory.

I like this idea a lot. Will add it to my backup plan... probably as a first thing to do after more hunting. Might have to adjust it a bit to fit, but the idea will be the same.

Will have to wait until I get home from work though to do the actual update.

The problem with your plan and the possibility of emergent pack behavior is that working full time doesn't actually help against packs of Class 3s. The only way we'll be able to counter emerging pack behavior among Class 3s is to put Nagoya's much much stronger than us Elite teams inside Serena's aura, which is not a situation that is helped by a full-time commitment by our vet support team. In fact, in the case of the Class 3s "going to ground" in packs the vet teams are going to be completely useless, with the possible exception of the vet barrier girls; if Class 3 packs happen then we're probably better off dismissing the vet team completely and letting them get started on backlog items, since they won't be able to do any good at all.

Not necessarily. Perhaps we'd have to spend more time on standby waiting for the clairvoyants to pick out a demon that has gotten too far away from the rest of the pack. My point is that we'd have more time dedicated, and so could be more flexible.

Plus... bonus in combat = big benefits.

The other problem with a nature hike is that it's January, and the average temperature is about 1.5 degrees C (about 35 degrees F for us Americans). If you then go into the mountains there will be snow, and lots of it; not exactly picnic weather.

Ehh... I've done winter picnics in the snow before. Going to the mountains makes it a feature. Just be sure to include a lot of wool blankets and hot chocolate in the picnic supplies.
 
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The other problem with a nature hike is that it's January, and the average temperature is about 1.5 degrees C (about 35 degrees F for us Americans). If you then go into the mountains there will be snow, and lots of it; not exactly picnic weather.
This made me laugh.

You guys brought this on yourself by making time of year matter again! Though on that note maybe I should start labeling months on the turns...

Still interested in if people think of other things to go on front page.

Also is there some sort of consensus on a stage 1 plan I could start miniturns from? I'm expecting this "Turn" to end up taking forever for me to write out.
 
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Hmm... not many people have voted yet...
I only have like 6 or so voters in this quest, kind of sad in some ways, but the participants are individually really active so I don't mind too much.

Have contemplated applying for the ad banner, but I figure the issue is more that this quest is way too detail oriented for most people. Though I am making an effort at consolidating info to the front page to make it easier to enter.
 
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I only have like 6 or so voters in this quest, kind of sad in some ways, but the participants are individually really active so I don't mind too much.

Have contemplated applying for the ad banner, but I figure the issue is more that this quest is way too detail oriented for most people. Though I am making an effort at consolidating info to the front page to make it easier to enter.
The consolidation of info definitely is helpful. Helped me out at least. At least for me this is an odd arc to starting voting in without a better understanding of things.
 
Have contemplated applying for the ad banner, but I figure the issue is more that this quest is way too detail oriented for most people. Though I am making an effort at consolidating info to the front page to make it easier to enter.

I can think of at least three other people who would be fine with the level of detail. The ad banner would help increase the number of participants, I guarantee it. Even then, people like Landcollector who just give input to the plan makers are still valuable additions to the thread, and the banner would probably net us a few.

I encourage you to do it.
 
The consolidation of info definitely is helpful. Helped me out at least. At least for me this is an odd arc to starting voting in without a better understanding of things.
Understandable. And welcome to my quest.

As someone just entering the quest you probably have a different perspective. Is there anything else I could add to the front page? I'm trying to make this quest more accessible and a better front page is a big part of that I think.
 
Diplomacy: Building a Tokyo Sensor Net (0.5 Mami, 1.5 vet): As we begin to clear Tokyo, start to set up a dispatch system and phone tree between all the meguca in Tokyo, especially the clairvoyants and teleporters, so the Tokyo girls can better coordinate between themselves for safety and call in a Serene airstrike on any Class 3s that wander into the cleared territory. If anyone seems interested in Serene manuals and/or recruiting literature feel free to give it to them (we might be willing to straight-up recruit an Elite or two, maybe some experienced clairvoyants), but for now the primary goal is creating a sensor net to catch any teleporting or stealthed Class 3 demons. Secondary goals include: keeping up positive contact between Tokyo girls and the Serene, getting Tokyo girls used to keeping in contact with each other, keeping Tokyo girls appraised of which areas are clear for solo hunting so they can build up grief cube stocks and begin to raise DS out of below negative-10 territory.

One of the big problems with fully clearing Tokyo is that so many of the Class 3s are teleport-capable, so in order to really pin them down we will need a large network of clairvoyants to keep most of Tokyo under constant surveillance. At the same time, one of the Serene's primary motivations for going into Tokyo in the first place is to make contact with the Tokyo meguca population, and hopefully persuade them to see our group favorably. It seems to me that there is a good synergy there.
This is a really nice idea, and helpful in one of the areas that were likely to be most troublesome: Tracking down teleporters that fled. I'm willing to rearrange some stuff to get it in.

Primary option: Undo the vet review and training addition (and the hunting change that got me to 2 vets). If I do that, I don't really have enough spare to rebuild the review and training. Dropping 1 Pet Whisperer to go into review leaves it a little weak, but better than nothing.

I think that's about the only thing I'd be comfortable changing. Acceptable?

The other problem with a nature hike is that it's January, and the average temperature is about 1.5 degrees C (about 35 degrees F for us Americans). If you then go into the mountains there will be snow, and lots of it; not exactly picnic weather.
February! :p
This made me laugh.

You guys brought this on yourself by making time of year matter again!
Awww.
Like January, February is a good time for visiting Japan as the weather is usually sunny and dry and sightseeing spots are not crowded.
Looks like February is more like 10 degrees C (~50 F), so not too bad for a mountain hike where you're likely to build up a moderate bit of internal heat as well.

And non-crowded is useful for us.

Perhaps, when making changes, you and @Kinematics could have links to your respective votes so that one can see the full vote and what it calls for?
Kinematics
Elder Haman
 
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