I...don't think she's going to like us.
In the Mind of a Green Sun Prince (Exalted/Nasuverse)
- Thread starter Walker of the Yellow Path
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They do? I thought they didn't know at the point of the fourth war. Yeesh, they are stupid. Suicidal lemmings, really.
The other idea I had was to pretend to be a magician, come to take Ilya on as apprentice. Would Einzberns object to this? They probably would, and it's unlikely we could pull it off. Unless... Very stupid plan: reveal ourselves. We are Kiritsugu, the Grail is corrupted. We managed to get third magic or, rather, enter a contract which would allow us to learn it (demonstrate some exalted powers). In exchange for Ilya, we promise to teach them too. Something like this. Basically, tempt them with potential access to vast cosmic powers that they can't get from antagonising or dissecting us.
That isn't a very good idea, as they would be very motivated to find Illya again. And Kiritsugu is the first suspect.
It's been discussed before, but unless we want a long-term enemy that always looks for ways to fuck with our life, we'll have to kill them all. Then we can steal all their research, so not too much knowledge is lost!
First Rule: Pillage, then Burn.
Depends on the paradox and timelines and stuff. Arturia we revive is going to be the one from after her latest attempt at the Grail, which might be the fifth war.
We could try making it in their best interest to appease us, I think, but ok.
Maybe we could fake Ilya's death? Hmm, pretend to be a Servant from the war, berserker ideally, slaughter some of them, including pretending to slaughter Ilya - frame it as a revenge on Kiritsugu from a the war's participant. Or maybe some other frame job?
Slaughtering everything is too inelegant a solution. And is likely to traumatise Ilya.
- Location
- Spain
This could work. But we don't have a way to disguise, since LSD doesn't allow to appear as someone concrete. We can't appear as Lancelot.7
And frankly, i prefer to kill them all. Is the only way to be completely sure they don't cause problems later.
RexHeller
Title Incoming. Please Hold.
- Location
- Somewhere else.
They found out in the aftermath of the Fourth.
Sure. We can explode everything afterwards, to make it more difficult for the Association to trace things back to us.
...Or would they look at the burning ruins and think 'that was Kiritsugu alright'? He did shoot a plane down to kill a vamp, after all.
Anyway, as for infiltration, going in guns blazing doesn't look attractive, considering there's a lot of other combat homunculi in there. And they're all specifically loyal to the Einzbern family...
Hmm.
Maybe there's some way for us to... take over? The homuculi aren't big on self-determination, so if we defeat the Head of the Family and use Illya and our marriage to Iriesviel as grounds for a change in leadership (or just have Illya become the head), they'll listen? It won't work if Jubstacheit and other leaders are alive, but if we can kill them quickly enough... maybe the rest will fold?
Lancelot's disguise as the black knight might be generic enough? After all, it was the whole point of it.
Can we be sure that all of them are there, that they have no allies bound to avenge them (with magic), no "f*ck everything" contingencies in case of being slaughtered (like super plagues, or nukes or zombie apocalypses)?
How soon did they find out? I assume they sent someone to investigate in canon. This might not have happened yet.
On the subject of taking over, I did have an idea kinda like that. Again either pretend to be Justeaze or just show them our exalted self, and claim that while the corrupted grail couldn't get us true magic (because it's broken, we could claim that the magnitude of destruction caused by the Grail is proportional to the magnitude of the wish, and "get true magic" would have destroyed the world, Einzberns included), it did give us instructions on how to reach it. Instructions that will only work for us (again, the magnitude of the wish). So, they either help us develop it, or lose it forever. We are taking Ilya with us, by the way, as we need to live near the site of the war to get updated instructions / perform tasks needed to reach true magic.
Oh, and hasn't this been explained away several pages back as us being able to become a 'fictional twin' of someone? Even if we can only imitate imaginary people, that's not really an obstacle when we just want to copy their appearance.
You're still giving them too much credit. They're the type of people who think that shooting themselves in the face is alright as long as they reach enlightenment beforehand. So I wouldn't put it past them to attack us with the intention of interrogating and dissecting us.
I'd have agreed with pretending to be Justeaze if we had Adorjan's Theft as Release, letting us swindle him out of the castle and everything else, but that's three Charms away. As things are, imitating Zelretch and waltzing inside to assassinate him sounds more feasible.
What about a variation of the idea. Say that we wished for "a way for Kiritsugu Emirates to teach his daughter Ilya third true magic". The reasoning is the same - corrupted grail. This way they can't justify dissecting either of us.
On the assassination, as I said, I worry about retaliation. We need to be able to redirect it to someone who wouldn't object about it. Thus, I suggested Berserker. His black knight armor might be generic enough for us to take its form, I think.
Note the ban on fighting the Primordials on spirits isn't categorical, but specific.
Unshaped Rakshas are much the same, and there are Things in the Wyld.
This is a specific instruction for the spirits of Creation to be unable to harm their creators, so unless you became their creator it's not relevant.
Loktarogar
The Apex of Cuddling
- Location
- Brazil
We need some kind of vote guys, my english is pretty bad, so if someone do it for me i will gladly vote for it.
Yeah, I'm surprised nobody has put forward a plan. So, here's what I suggest...
[X] Suggest a few options for Kiritsugu to pursue, discuss the pros and cons between one another, and let him reach a decision.
-[X] Swiftly attack using stealth, ending it quickly before she has a chance to fight back. As a member of the Scourge Caste, he can make completely mask all sounds he makes - footsteps, breathing, gunfire, anything really. He can even extend that to a few yards past himself if he's willing to pay extra Essence for it. He could take her out from the distance, either using lethal ammunition to kill her or using strong tranquilizers to knock her out if he would prefer to capture her instead.
-[X] Attempt to manipulate her. Take the form and apparent magical traits of an Einzbern the target would obey and simply go up to her to give her an order that would ensure she would be gone and out of contact for long enough for him to assume her form and use it to infiltrate the castle. If it wouldn't make sense to actually be someone higher up, assuming the form of someone lesser and passing on a letter from someone like that using his skills at forgery might work, under the pretense that the mission would be secret and couldn't have been ordered inside the castle.
It should be remember that Kiritsugu is in charge here - we can't make decisions for him. We advise. As such if we don't have a strong idea of what to do we should give him options. Above I'm giving two, one based on combat and one based on manipulation, both of which might work.
[X] Suggest a few options for Kiritsugu to pursue, discuss the pros and cons between one another, and let him reach a decision.
-[X] Swiftly attack using stealth, ending it quickly before she has a chance to fight back. As a member of the Scourge Caste, he can make completely mask all sounds he makes - footsteps, breathing, gunfire, anything really. He can even extend that to a few yards past himself if he's willing to pay extra Essence for it. He could take her out from the distance, either using lethal ammunition to kill her or using strong tranquilizers to knock her out if he would prefer to capture her instead.
-[X] Attempt to manipulate her. Take the form and apparent magical traits of an Einzbern the target would obey and simply go up to her to give her an order that would ensure she would be gone and out of contact for long enough for him to assume her form and use it to infiltrate the castle. If it wouldn't make sense to actually be someone higher up, assuming the form of someone lesser and passing on a letter from someone like that using his skills at forgery might work, under the pretense that the mission would be secret and couldn't have been ordered inside the castle.
It should be remember that Kiritsugu is in charge here - we can't make decisions for him. We advise. As such if we don't have a strong idea of what to do we should give him options. Above I'm giving two, one based on combat and one based on manipulation, both of which might work.
Loktarogar
The Apex of Cuddling
- Location
- Brazil
[X] Enjou
Thank you Enjou.
Thank you Enjou.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
[X] Suggest a few options for Kiritsugu to pursue, discuss the pros and cons between one another, and let him reach a decision.
-[X] Swiftly attack using stealth, ending it quickly before she has a chance to fight back. As a member of the Scourge Caste, he can make completely mask all sounds he makes - footsteps, breathing, gunfire, anything really. He can even extend that to a few yards past himself if he's willing to pay extra Essence for it. He could take her out from the distance, either using lethal ammunition to kill her or using strong tranquilizers to knock her out if he would prefer to capture her instead.
-[X] Attempt to manipulate her. Take the form and apparent magical traits of an Einzbern the target would obey and simply go up to her to give her an order that would ensure she would be gone and out of contact for long enough for him to assume her form and use it to infiltrate the castle. If it wouldn't make sense to actually be someone higher up, assuming the form of someone lesser and passing on a letter from someone like that using his skills at forgery might work, under the pretense that the mission would be secret and couldn't have been ordered inside the castle.
-[X] Swiftly attack using stealth, ending it quickly before she has a chance to fight back. As a member of the Scourge Caste, he can make completely mask all sounds he makes - footsteps, breathing, gunfire, anything really. He can even extend that to a few yards past himself if he's willing to pay extra Essence for it. He could take her out from the distance, either using lethal ammunition to kill her or using strong tranquilizers to knock her out if he would prefer to capture her instead.
-[X] Attempt to manipulate her. Take the form and apparent magical traits of an Einzbern the target would obey and simply go up to her to give her an order that would ensure she would be gone and out of contact for long enough for him to assume her form and use it to infiltrate the castle. If it wouldn't make sense to actually be someone higher up, assuming the form of someone lesser and passing on a letter from someone like that using his skills at forgery might work, under the pretense that the mission would be secret and couldn't have been ordered inside the castle.
Ridiculously Average Guy
I'm you, but stronger
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[X] Enjou
Hm. Seems workable to me.
[X] Enjou
[X] Enjou
[X] Enjou
Figured that, similar beings would also trigger it.
Well, there's a Sidereal MA which has a charm which transforms you, temporarily granting you the same status as a primordial as far as that instruction goes. Beauty is in the Eye.
Figured that, similar beings would also trigger it.
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Specifically abusing that binding rather than coincidentally.
Or the gods are fucked vs Unshaped
[X] Enjou
- Location
- Spain