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In the Mind of a Green Sun Prince (Exalted/Nasuverse)

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RexHeller said:
Ok, but how do we get Kiritsugu to care about that in-character?
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does Kiritsugu know how the Makiri magic works? he's a very compassionate person, he was only taking the conviction route to world peace because he didn't think that he could do it any other way. all it would take is for him to connect the dots and realize that zouken intends to implant worms into an 8 year olds body before tentacle hentai-ing her into insanity. if he didn't do something about that, I'd lose all faith I him as a person.
 
RexHeller said:
From an OOC stand point disguising as Zouken is a bad idea. If he gets punished for this Sakura'll get wraped up in it. I'm not familiar with Exalted so I'm not sure how easy it is to disguise ourselves and how complete the disguise would be. I'm just saying that we should be careful not to get the Dead Apostle Ancestors to send Primate Murder after us for being too powerful.
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Eh, Zouken was just the first idea that came to mind because he is a dick.

We could disguise ourself as anybody. Heck, we could even create a totally new persona that looks totally different from the real Kiritsugu, and then use that whenever we do any "exalted-style" carnage. If Kiritsugu occasionally does things the Mage Killer way, no one would ever connect the two.

Heck, we could investigate and wipe out Zouken later (and loot all his stuff! Thats important). Dealing with the worms would be simple enough.


Unelemental said:
Are we human enough for Primate Murder to exercise its advantage, - whatever that is, - over us though? Not that it (and the rest of DAAs) isn't horrifically dangerous anyway.
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Eh, dunno. You could argue that Kiritsugu is more of an exalt than ordinary human. If I got it right, in Exalt, humans have souls composed of two aspects. Hun soul which is the higher reasoning part. And Po soul which is the more primal part. Exalted have the exaltation shard attach itself to them as a sort of "third soul". And GSPs also have the demon coadjutor on top of that (which is why EarthScorpions homebrew is called "fourth soul". GSPs are also running on so much primordial essence that they naturally exists separate from fate and are arguably sort of child-primordials.

Heck, GSPs can literally become immortal undying titans via the Devil-Tiger/(Yozi) Cosmic Principle paths. And I believe that unless you possess primordial-level killing charms, you simply can't kill either of those. So I would say that if there exists a magical effect that says "this kills humans", it would not work on Kiritsugu anymore. Exalts are not really ordinary humans, and GSPs are IMHO more alien than any other exalt.
 
Xyzarach said:
does Kiritsugu know how the Makiri magic works? he's a very compassionate person, he was only taking the conviction route to world peace because he didn't think that he could do it any other way. all it would take is for him to connect the dots and realize that zouken intends to implant worms into an 8 year olds body before tentacle hentai-ing her into insanity. if he didn't do something about that, I'd lose all faith I him as a person.
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I'm not saying that we have to convince Kiritsugu to care. I'm saying we need to find a way for him to learn about Sakura. I don't think he knows about her situation right now. If he does learn about it we'd have a hard time stopping him from rescuing her.
 
RexHeller said:
I'm not saying that we have to convince Kiritsugu to care. I'm saying we need to find a way for him to learn about Sakura. I don't think he knows about her situation right now. If he does learn about it we'd have a hard time stopping him from rescuing her.
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Maybe have him quietly check up on his other local competition from the war, to make sure that they aren't doing anything that would interfere with his goals?

wouldn't take too much for him to find out that Tokiomi sold his own daughter to Zouken, or what Zouken intends to do with her...
 
Did everyone miss that Szerny charms would let us infiltrate better? Szerny is reflection and copying. Give me a couple to look up some charms.
 
Mirror Matches Movement
Cost: -; Mins: Essence 1; Type:Permanent
Keywords: None
Duration: Permanent
Prerequisite Charms: None
The Silver Forest needs no preparation to imitate another's face. Their movements are already his own. This Charm permanently removes the difficulty increase for attempting to disguise one's self as a specific person and also removes the difficulty increase for attempting to mimic that person without first spending several weeks observing the target.
Shifting Quicksilver Visage
Cost: - (1m); Mins: Essence 2; Type:Permanent
Keywords: Illusion
Duration: Indefinite
Prerequisite Charms: Mirror Matches Movement
Szoreny uses no makeup to mirror others. By reflexively committing a single mote, the Infernal can use illusion to alter his appearance as though making a mundane disguise, except that it only takes a single instant to do so and requires no makeup or props. Further, the Infernal is not restricted in how high his effective Appearance can be.
This illusory disguise looks, feels, and even smells exactly how it should, based upon the Infernal's (Intelligence+Larceny) roll, so it cannot be detected simply by touching the disguised Infernal. The disguise lasts until the Infernal uncommits the mote.

Charm Concept: Szoreny and Disguises
After the Primordial War, Szoreny was turned upside down by his rough treatment at the hands of the Exalted. In protest to this, Szoreny now refuses to show a truly perfect reflection of anyone except his fellow Yozis upon any of his silver branches. Because of this, none of Szoreny's Charms can provide a perfect disguise. They can eliminate penalties and speed the process, but it will always remain possible, if only remotely so, that ordinary sense will pierce his disguises and see them for what they truly are.
Impossible Form Duplication
Cost: -; Mins: Essence 3; Type:Permanent
Keywords: None
Duration: Permanent
Prerequisite Charms: Shifting Quicksilver Visage
The reflections of the Silver Forest know no limits to the forms that they may take. This Charm removes all penalties and difficulty increases causes by attempting to impersonate someone of a different gender, age, or body type. Further, this Charm allows the Infernal to use Shifting Quicksilver Visage to impersonate anything of approximately the same dimensions as the Infernal, even inanimate objects. The Infernal can just as easily impersonate a fat man as appear to be a small tree.
 
Frakir's brother said:
Mirror Matches Movement
Cost: -; Mins: Essence 1; Type:Permanent
Keywords: None
Duration: Permanent
Prerequisite Charms: None
The Silver Forest needs no preparation to imitate another's face. Their movements are already his own. This Charm permanently removes the difficulty increase for attempting to disguise one's self as a specific person and also removes the difficulty increase for attempting to mimic that person without first spending several weeks observing the target.
Shifting Quicksilver Visage
Cost: - (1m); Mins: Essence 2; Type:Permanent
Keywords: Illusion
Duration: Indefinite
Prerequisite Charms: Mirror Matches Movement
Szoreny uses no makeup to mirror others. By reflexively committing a single mote, the Infernal can use illusion to alter his appearance as though making a mundane disguise, except that it only takes a single instant to do so and requires no makeup or props. Further, the Infernal is not restricted in how high his effective Appearance can be.
This illusory disguise looks, feels, and even smells exactly how it should, based upon the Infernal's (Intelligence+Larceny) roll, so it cannot be detected simply by touching the disguised Infernal. The disguise lasts until the Infernal uncommits the mote.

Charm Concept: Szoreny and Disguises
After the Primordial War, Szoreny was turned upside down by his rough treatment at the hands of the Exalted. In protest to this, Szoreny now refuses to show a truly perfect reflection of anyone except his fellow Yozis upon any of his silver branches. Because of this, none of Szoreny's Charms can provide a perfect disguise. They can eliminate penalties and speed the process, but it will always remain possible, if only remotely so, that ordinary sense will pierce his disguises and see them for what they truly are.
Impossible Form Duplication
Cost: -; Mins: Essence 3; Type:Permanent
Keywords: None
Duration: Permanent
Prerequisite Charms: Shifting Quicksilver Visage
The reflections of the Silver Forest know no limits to the forms that they may take. This Charm removes all penalties and difficulty increases causes by attempting to impersonate someone of a different gender, age, or body type. Further, this Charm allows the Infernal to use Shifting Quicksilver Visage to impersonate anything of approximately the same dimensions as the Infernal, even inanimate objects. The Infernal can just as easily impersonate a fat man as appear to be a small tree.
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These don't give the magical properties of what you're disguising yourself as though. It's only a mundane level disguise. Loom-Snarling Deception and it's upgrade provide a far superior disguise for our purposes (which is why LSD costs a lot more).
 
[X] Recommend he work on a skill:
-[X] Larceny, Increase Essence, Eldritch Secrets Mastery
[X] "Why don't you take the appearance of someone who lives in the castle? There is an improvement to Loom-Snarling Deception that lets you assume the characteristics of any being. Wait until the ideal target is out, capture it, copy its appearance and then go back to the castle."
 
Frakir's brother said:
Did everyone miss that Szerny charms would let us infiltrate better? Szerny is reflection and copying. Give me a couple to look up some charms.
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I think GM said that only Revlids or EarthScorpions charms would be automatically accepted, so we don't know if Szorenys charmset is acceptable/available to us. I mean there would also be interesting Hegra charms we could have used to basically make every enemy in that mansion drugged out of their minds, but TDO made those.

Hegra: Hegra Charmset (TDO)

Szoreny: [Exalted] Szoreny, the Silver Forest

Both Mardukth and Ta'akozoka charmsets also exist. Unfortunately both are Neverborn though.
 
Unelemental said:
Exactly. They can probably make another vessel, but that's immaterial in the face of their pride. Unless we deal with them decisively, they'll continue hounding Kiritsugu, potentially involving the Association if they realize how in over their head they are.
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Actually I'm pretty sure it was mentioned that they can't make another Ilya. She and Irisviel were flukes in their production, something they can't replicate.

If Ilya lost the Fifth War, the Einzberns pretty much had to give up.

They were in such a hurry to be an ass to her, that they didn't let her grow up enough to produce a successor the normal way, and they don't know what particular cloning quirk could preserve her attributes.

Einzbern selfdestructive salt is epic. Every time they cheat, they just fuck themselves all the harder
 
veekie said:
Actually I'm pretty sure it was mentioned that they can't make another Ilya. She and Irisviel were flukes in their production, something they can't replicate.
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If so, that basically guarantees that everyone there has to die. Even ignoring pride, they would basically have no choice but to dedicate everything to finding Ilya. And while we could hide ourself and her quite well, its still a potential hassle. Best to just deal with it immediately.


Xyzarach said:
Maybe have him quietly check up on his other local competition from the war, to make sure that they aren't doing anything that would interfere with his goals?

wouldn't take too much for him to find out that Tokiomi sold his own daughter to Zouken, or what Zouken intends to do with her...
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Well, in canon he lived in the same city as Zouken with Shirou right?

If we assume that he is going to do that again, except with Ilya there as well, then its not like it would be all that difficult to suggest that he spies on all the mage families. Before he was cursed and dying. Now he is better than normal and with a perfect illusions to hide himself.

Would make perfect sense to check Zouken out to see if he is a threat to Ilya. After which Kiritsugu would learn how monstrous the guy is.
 
veekie said:
Actually I'm pretty sure it was mentioned that they can't make another Ilya. She and Irisviel were flukes in their production, something they can't replicate.

If Ilya lost the Fifth War, the Einzberns pretty much had to give up.

They were in such a hurry to be an ass to her, that they didn't let her grow up enough to produce a successor the normal way, and they don't know what particular cloning quirk could preserve her attributes.

Einzbern selfdestructive salt is epic. Every time they cheat, they just fuck themselves all the harder
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Just when you think they can't get any more retarded...
 
A question? Has the whole Sakura adoption thing already happened? Which is to say, does Sakura basically inherit all the titles/properties/etc of the Matou family/bloodline, if Zouken has an unfortunate accident?
 
Datakim said:
A question? Has the whole Sakura adoption thing already happened? Which is to say, does Sakura basically inherit all the titles/properties/etc of the Matou family/bloodline, if Zouken has an unfortunate accident?
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Happens later on. Shinji flips his shit then and becomes a total scumbag. Right now he's not yet a waste of oxygen, and just wondering what to do with the sad-looking adopted little sister.
 
veekie said:
Happens later on. Shinji flips his shit then and becomes a total scumbag. Right now he's not yet a waste of oxygen, and just wondering what to do with the sad-looking adopted little sister.
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so we murderize Zouken ASAP, and Shinji won't become the rapist scumbag he is in canon?

Even if I have to move heaven and earth. IT SHAL BE DONE.
 
I think, and I really am probably wrong about this, but I think that Shinji was actually sent to study abroad the year of the holy grail war. So he might not even be in Japan right now, let alone know he has a new little sister. As for Sakura, at the very least she's started getting the Matou training, I.E. the worm pit. She probably hasn't had the worm with Zouken's soul implanted in her yet which I the was a plot point in fate/ stay night. Also she can't have become the Dark Grail just yet but Zouken might have started that process as soon as this Grail war ended. Finally the main reason Shinji is given up on as the Matou heir is because he has no magic circuits. It's only after he learns that Sakura's the new Heir that he becomes a total piece of shit.
 
RexHeller said:
I think, and I really am probably wrong about this, but I think that Shinji was actually sent to study abroad the year of the holy grail war. So he might not even be in Japan right now, let alone know he has a new little sister. As for Sakura, at the very least she's started getting the Matou training, I.E. the worm pit. She probably hasn't had the worm with Zouken's soul implanted in her yet which I the was a plot point in fate/ stay night. Also she can't have become the Dark Grail just yet but Zouken might have started that process as soon as this Grail war ended. Finally the main reason Shinji is given up on as the Matou heir is because he has no magic circuits. It's only after he learns that Sakura's the new Heir that he becomes a total piece of shit.
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On this subject: what equivalent of Soul Enlightening Beneficience do we have access to, if any? And how would enlightenment (Ie awakening one's essence) interact with one's ability to practice magecraft? Because there are certainly interesting possibilities there. Wasn't it stated that if he had circuits, Shinji would have been a (far) greater prodigy than even Rin?
 
Yog said:
On this subject: what equivalent of Soul Enlightening Beneficience do we have access to, if any? And how would enlightenment (Ie awakening one's essence) interact with one's ability to practice magecraft? Because there are certainly interesting possibilities there. Wasn't it stated that if he had circuits, Shinji would have been a (far) greater prodigy than even Rin?
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I think it was mention somewhere that he has his mother's sorcery trait, and that if he ever had kids with someone with circuits, they would be prodigies on a level that would drag the Matou name out of the mud.

Zouken, on the other hand, doesn't give a shit, and wants to see what he can do with a body infused with all the evil in the world and access to the 3rd true magic.
 
Yog said:
On this subject: what equivalent of Soul Enlightening Beneficience do we have access to, if any? And how would enlightenment (Ie awakening one's essence) interact with one's ability to practice magecraft? Because there are certainly interesting possibilities there. Wasn't it stated that if he had circuits, Shinji would have been a (far) greater prodigy than even Rin?
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The infernal version presumably. I would expect it to also turn you into a "Creature of Darkness", but since thats basically political designation its unlikely to matter much.

What I am more curious about is whether or not the Cecelyne wish charm that can give mutations is capable of handing out magic circuits to someone (since the exaltation obviously considered them to be mutations). Amusingly enough, said charm can also remove mutations. Which means that all it takes is for a mage to say something like "sometimes magic is such a headache", at which point Kiritsugu can just go "wish granted" and permanently destroy someones magic circuits. And the hilarity is that you would actually owe him for that, and refusal to pay up would result in a catastrophic botch at the worst possible moment.

Whats actually interesting about Cecelynes wish charms is that theres not really anything stopping Kiritsugu from basically giving both Shirou and Ilya 5 in every single attribute&Ability, immortality, enlightened essence, and all other beneficial mutations and basically everything else Cecelynes wishes can give. Heck, even charms, sorcery and martial arts can be given to non-exalts.

Would make the start of the 5th war amusing if nothing else.
 
Datakim said:
What I am more curious about is whether or not the Cecelyne wish charm that can give mutations is capable of handing out magic circuits to someone (since the exaltation obviously considered them to be mutations). Amusingly enough, said charm can also remove mutations. Which means that all it takes is for a mage to say something like "sometimes magic is such a headache", at which point Kiritsugu can just go "wish granted" and permanently destroy someones magic circuits. And the hilarity is that you would actually owe him for that, and refusal to pay up would result in a catastrophic botch at the worst possible moment.
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I doubt it, since the QM said that from rage recast can't give magic circuits. VEE probably can't either. And in any case any mage would pay the willpower to reject that "gift" so that plan couldn't really work.

(Also VEE is a generally broken charm that should be modified or removed anyway)
 
Broken25 said:
I doubt it, since the QM said that from rage recast can't give magic circuits. VEE probably can't either. And in any case any mage would pay the willpower to reject that "gift" so that plan couldn't really work.
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Depends on GM. There are other mutations that are forbidden to exalts but not to others.
Exalted/Mutations - SimChamber RP Wiki (the ones with no-ex).

(Also VEE is a generally broken charm that should be modified or removed anyway)
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Can't deny that. Well, VEE itself is probably not horrific, but its all the addon charms that build on it.
 
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