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In the Mind of a Green Sun Prince (Exalted/Nasuverse)

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The excellencies (except kimberys) can be seen here: General Charms And Excellencies - Ninja_Sensei_Gaming

I would assume that it would apply to making plans under the same principles? So if you make a plan of action thats filled with "intentional subtlety or display of restraint", then it would sort of be against the idea of Malfeas's excellency, since Malfean does not do those kind of plans.
 
[X] Don't thank me, thank the Yozi.
[X] Planning his raid on Castle Einzbern
--[X] Explaining to Shirou where he's going and why, in case he failed and wasn't able to return.
 
[X] Don't thank me, thank the Yozi.
[X] Planning his raid on Castle Einzbern
--[X] Explaining to Shirou where he's going and why, in case he failed and wasn't able to return.
 
I think, considering his personality type, Kiritsugu needs to learn Cecylene's charm, as planning is basically what it does.

Between that and Adjoran's, you'd be able to do most everything.

Anyone got ideas for Perfect Attacks Kiritsugu could learn?
Perfect Defenses got plenty of, attacks, not so much.
 
So, couple of questions for @Walker of the Yellow Path.

First, do we still have our circuits as a cosmetic mutation? I remember that one of the books said that if a mortal has natural mutations that they would want to keep, then they often remain in a vestigial state after an Exaltation. This is important because Kiritsugu (and us SV'ers) might want to give Illya the Emiya Crest, she is (iirc) his blood daughter after all, and it would also be a good use of the leftover circuits as well (or we could give those to Shirou. Avalon healing for the win!).

Second, Can our magesight charm be used to let us see magic circuits? and if yes, would we be able to see that Avalon is messing with Shirou's Element and Origin, turning them into Sword? this is actually a big part of Shirou's future mentality, and if we can do something to stop it, we might be able to train him to not be a suicidal martyr. he's guaranteed to get a marble after what he went through, but Avalon is a big part of where being "a sword to protect the happiness of others, without regard for the self" came from.


[X] Don't thank me, thank the Yozi.
[X] Planning his raid on Castle Einzbern
--[X] Explaining to Shirou where he's going and why, in case he failed and wasn't able to return.
--[X] During this time, he will use Insignificant Embers Intuition to check how Shirou's magic circuits are doing. Those flames had anti-soul properties, and it would be best to check and make sure that Avalon has healed the less obvious damage.

last line assuming I get a positive response to the second question. I'll edit it out if it's a no.
 
I think we should keep the crest at least. Is more an Artifact that a mutation, and even if we can't use it we can always give it to others.
 
[x]And you have my gratitude for enabling my continued existence.
[X] Planning his raid on Castle Einzbern
--[X] Explaining to Shirou where he's going and why, in case he failed and wasn't able to return.
 
[x]And you have my gratitude for enabling my continued existence.
[X] Planning his raid on Castle Einzbern
--[X] Explaining to Shirou where he's going and why, in case he failed and wasn't able to return.
 
[x]And you have my gratitude for enabling my continued existence.
[X] Planning his raid on Castle Einzbern
--[X] Explaining to Shirou where he's going and why, in case he failed and wasn't able to return.
 
[x]And you have my gratitude for enabling my continued existence.
[X] Planning his raid on Castle Einzbern
--[X] Explaining to Shirou where he's going and why, in case he failed and wasn't able to return.


landcollector said:
I don't believe so:
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It could be argued that he still has the crest, but its utterly non-functional now due to there not being any "internal" circuits to connect to. But it still might exists in the sense that it could be transferred to Ilya or Shirou.

Up to the GM.
 
Here's my ruling on the Magic Crest.

It is still their, still useable, however it is incompatible with the Primordial Aspected Essence that Kiritsugu channels. He can have it removed, and while it is completely incompatible with his redheaded stepchild, Illyasviel is perfectly able to use it.

Though why would they need it? I mean, from Kiritsugu's point of view, they'll be raised as 'magic users' not true Magi. Their is no impetus for him to need to pass on the Emiya family's Magecraft.

It's not like they'll need it in the Grail War. That's 60 years away! :D
 
Walker of the Yellow Path said:
Here's my ruling on the Magic Crest.

It is still their, still useable, however it is incompatible with the Primordial Aspected Essence that Kiritsugu channels. He can have it removed, and while it is completely incompatible with his redheaded stepchild, Illyasviel is perfectly able to use it.

Though why would they need it? I mean, from Kiritsugu's point of view, they'll be raised as 'magic users' not true Magi. Their is no impetus for him to need to pass on the Emiya family's Magecraft.

It's not like they'll need it in the Grail War. That's 60 years away! :D
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I think that they would be better off by learning Sorcery instead. Just awaken their Essence and find a teacher, and they will have a valid alternative that isn't likely to kill them. For combat options, copious amount of Relics and Terrestrial Martial Arts.
 
Walker of the Yellow Path said:
Here's my ruling on the Magic Crest.

It is still their, still useable, however it is incompatible with the Primordial Aspected Essence that Kiritsugu channels. He can have it removed, and while it is completely incompatible with his redheaded stepchild, Illyasviel is perfectly able to use it.

Though why would they need it? I mean, from Kiritsugu's point of view, they'll be raised as 'magic users' not true Magi. Their is no impetus for him to need to pass on the Emiya family's Magecraft.

It's not like they'll need it in the Grail War. That's 60 years away! :D
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important note about Crests, they can only be grafted during Childhood/teen years. after someones ~18 years old, the dangers of complication become too high.

Also, the Emiya Crest is explicitly based around Time Manipulation, something that Exalts CANNOT do, under any circumstance.

his thoughts on the matter might be that its better to give his daughter an awesome self-defence measure now, instead of letting it become completely useless when they might need it.
 
Walker of the Yellow Path said:
Here's my ruling on the Magic Crest.

It is still their, still useable, however it is incompatible with the Primordial Aspected Essence that Kiritsugu channels. He can have it removed, and while it is completely incompatible with his redheaded stepchild, Illyasviel is perfectly able to use it.

Though why would they need it? I mean, from Kiritsugu's point of view, they'll be raised as 'magic users' not true Magi. Their is no impetus for him to need to pass on the Emiya family's Magecraft.

It's not like they'll need it in the Grail War. That's 60 years away! :D
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Theres probably some charm that would change Shirou enough to be related by blood or otherwise make him strong enough to handle the crest. That being said, if the point is to make them "magic users", I wonder if it might not make sense for Kiritsugu to try and teach them sorcery and essence use instead? I mean there are a lot of traditional mages, but essence users seem pretty rare? Being able to use (and eventually, teach) a "new" form of magic would be pretty advantageous to his kids.

Even if VEE usage is banned in this quest, its still perfectly possible for both Shirou and Ilya to become thaumaturges, emerald-level sorcerers and users of terrestrial martial arts. By Rage Recast even allows some handy mutations to be given. If VEE is allowed, then yikes! Actually, would you give a ruling on that? Are Cecelyne wishes allowed?

Perhaps Ilya is already learned enough in magic for it to not make sense to change, but for Shirou it might actually make more sense for Kiritsugu to train him to become an essence user instead, since thats what he now uses and can teach better. Shirou would never be able to become an exalt-level, but he could become a pretty good heroic mortal.
 
Xyzarach said:
important note about Crests, they can only be grafted during Childhood/teen years. after someones ~18 years old, the dangers of complication become too high.

Also, the Emiya Crest is explicitly based around Time Manipulation, something that Exalts CANNOT do, under any circumstance.

his thoughts on the matter might be that its better to give his daughter an awesome self-defence measure now, instead of letting it become completely useless when they might need it.
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My knowledge of exalted is spotty but I thought they did have time manipulation once? So since this is a different reality could the exalt eventually get that power again?
 
AZATHOTHoth said:
My knowledge of exalted is spotty but I thought they did have time manipulation once? So since this is a different reality could the exalt eventually get that power again?
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the Gods and allied Primordials that were left after the war modified the fabric of reality to make time magic impossible using essence. they did this because they had the equivalent of a Doctor Who time war, that borked the fabric of space-time so badly that it looked like chunky salsa.
 
AZATHOTHoth said:
My knowledge of exalted is spotty but I thought they did have time manipulation once? So since this is a different reality could the exalt eventually get that power again?
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I think the first age solars broke the universe at some point and time went screwy? Not sure theres ever been explicit time travel backwards though? I have seen it mentioned that one of the reasons exalts cannot time travel or raise the dead is so that you can't escape the consequences of your actions, which might suggest not.

Ofcourse even the crest does not actually allow travel back through time, but merely manipulates the flow of time. Basically it functions like a haste/slow spell, which is something well within reach of exalts.
 
Xyzarach said:
his thoughts on the matter might be that its better to give his daughter an awesome self-defence measure now, instead of letting it become completely useless when they might need it.
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I have to say that this would probably be the main reason to give her the Crest, especially if he doesn't manage to destroy all of the people who might try to take her back.
 
Xyzarach said:
important note about Crests, they can only be grafted during Childhood/teen years. after someones ~18 years old, the dangers of complication become too high.

Also, the Emiya Crest is explicitly based around Time Manipulation, something that Exalts CANNOT do, under any circumstance.

his thoughts on the matter might be that its better to give his daughter an awesome self-defence measure now, instead of letting it become completely useless when they might need it.
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Exalts cannot time travel. I am very unsure on time dilation. Could you provide citations?
Walker of the Yellow Path said:
Though why would they need it? I mean, from Kiritsugu's point of view, they'll be raised as 'magic users' not true Magi. Their is no impetus for him to need to pass on the Emiya family's Magecraft.
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Because having a crest is still useful? Also, said crest might probably be improved via some (lots and lots of) craft.
Alexander89 said:
I think that they would be better off by learning Sorcery instead. Just awaken their Essence and find a teacher, and they will have a valid alternative that isn't likely to kill them. For combat options, copious amount of Relics and Terrestrial Martial Arts.
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Why not both? I mean, awakening essence is an obvious thing to do, but that doesn't mean not activating circuits too. Magecraft might allow for some things sorcery would have hard time replicating. At least Shirou has the potential of achieving his reality marble relatively quickly. And that's, well, that's quite big. If properly trained, well, he might become quite a powerhouse. Also, with some craft and medicine... Kiritsugu knows how to make Origin Bullets. Shirou has the Origin of "Sword". Use UBW to have Shirou forge an Origin sword out of Shirou's own rib. I am relatively sure that would result in a quite powerful artefact. I mean, that would be the closest thing to a pure platonic "sword" in nasuverse, and that might be worth a lot.
 
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Datakim said:
Even if VEE usage is banned in this quest, its still perfectly possible for both Shirou and Ilya to become thaumaturges, emerald-level sorcerers and users of terrestrial martial arts. By Rage Recast even allows some handy mutations to be given. If VEE is allowed, then yikes! Actually, would you give a ruling on that? Are Cecelyne wishes allowed?
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Right now I'm trying to find the rather more sane version of VEE that @EarthScorpion and @Aleph use in their Kerisgame. The one that simply allows you to call in favors for previous acts of kindness and aide.
 
Yog said:
Exalts cannot time travel. I am very unsure on time dilation. Could you provide citations?
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Time dilation may be possible. Time in Creation vs. time in Malfeas isn't exactly matched up. (also I remember reading that the Yozis can undo events in Malfeas to a point, though they tend to fuck with you if you ask for this since they determine how the events are undone, but I don't know if that's considered canon by most people or not)
 
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