Nope. Well, except suffer, they can certainly do that.
... Who said their awareness was suspended?
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Nope. Well, except suffer, they can certainly do that.
... Who said their awareness was suspended?
The Exalted aren't dead: they're right there. You can tell because they have those Exaltations. And the people have reincarnated, or lived while the Yozi were trapped. They're just as guilty.
And you still haven't gone into what they're being punished for. Not being slaves? Helping Others?
At this point, it sounds more like your character who needs to be punished.
Imrix
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Yeah, see, that's because Great Contagion 2: Electric Boogaloo is explicitly called out as impossible. It was a miracle it happened the first time, and the survivors have built up a resistance. If round 2 were at all realistically possible, it absolutely is something you drop everything to put a stop to. Otherwise it probably kills the world.
And also fighting for the Exalted. Given the Dragonblooded make excellent army officers, I suspect mortals still fought in the Primordial War under Exalted leadership. Died in droves, of course, but fought nonetheless.
Every depiction of Soulsteel that talks about the material itself makes it quite clear: Whatever awareness that remains is one of unending agony.
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vicky_molokh
Posthuman spidery thingy.
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Creation, the Incarnae, and even the humans themselves - none of this would've existed if not the work of Primordials. Even though the Primordials are narcissistic entities trying to enforce arbitrary rules and occasionally damn someone to eternal torment. People seem to be commonly okay with this argument for submitting to YHWH, so don't tell me there's no precedent for this being a good argument for at least a couple of billion people . . .
Occasionally, an Abyssal will treat your MDV 4 as MDV 2 instead. You also get a better chance of not falling in love with that infamous Abyssal . . .
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
If they have no awareness beyond constant, consistent suffering, the distinction is immaterial.
Spite, or stupidity? I'd think the Neverborn would prefer peace.
What? The Neverborn want* peace, yeah. But they're not in soulsteel.
*Inasmuch as they can want things. They too suffer an eternal torture as they lie in deep in the Underworld.
Constant agony so obcenely intense that it warps the Underworld around them.
Constant agony so obcenely intense that it warps the Underworld around them.
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Really, the reason why the Yozi inspire more compassion than random trapped souls is very human; We know the names and the personalities of the yozis, and thus we can empathize with them. The nameless spirits trapped forever in the laberynth ores are, well, nameless, and is easier to ignore them.
Fortuna
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I'm still quite interested in the idea of Abyssals as creatures of memory and the past as much as they are creatures of death and decay, but that's just fanon. Canon Abyssals... Resonance has something approaching a neat idea behind it, I guess?
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They are Buddha, working to save everybody from the wheel of reencarnation and eternal pain.
So moronic starwman it is. You know you can just cede the point rather than trying to argue that slavery is moral.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Do they just find screams soothing?
They don't scream due because they want to. They do it because they're in constant agony. Like people have been repeatedly saying. Are you confused about what 'in pain' means?
FaeGlade Plural
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It's a horrible, vile argument. There is nothing just about it, it's just "might makes right" worded differently.
It would logically also apply to your parents. After all, without them, you would not exist. You owe everything to them. So if they ask that you devote your entire life to them, preferably while suffering, well that's just fair, right? And if they want to kill you, well that's morally fair, they made you after all.
Or maaybe it's a horrible argument. Even people who use it for religious reasons usually tamper it with some "higher plan" that exists for mortals. Something which was never a thing in Exalted - while someone in-universe may not know, out of universe we do. Humans were made to be prayer engines, and suffering was an in-built feature because it'd lead to more prayer.
The Neverborn want things to be undone. Kill it, then throw the pieces into Oblivion. Once everything has been thrown into Oblivion, they too can fall in and find peace in non-existence.
Soulsteel is just a useful byproduct. They don't mind souls being trapped in agony because they are, too. The entire world ought to suffer as they do, for inflicting it upon them. Then, everyone will be on-board the "Sink into Oblivion to stop the pain" ship.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
I was referring to the screams of the Soulsteel.
Not much changes in the answer.
... like, I don't mean to be rude, but have you ever considered actually reading the sourcebooks, rather than constantly asking questions based on misunderstandings? Because you keep on asking questions which could be trivially answered with the relevant source materials.
Soulsteel screams because it's in pain. Eternal agony. Unending torture. It has nothing to do with the Neverborn and everything to do with the fact that there are souls melted and hammered into the ore.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
My actual question, rephrased for clarity: "Wouldn't the Neverborn prefer Soulsteel to be silent?"
This was made under the assumption that it could be, if they actually bothered.
I don't want to own the sourcebooks, (Infernal Ew, Lunar Ew, [occasional?] Solar Ew, I'm wary of Abyssals and Alchemicals) and I don't want to resort to piracy.
For fucks sake. Am I on ignore?
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The Neverborn can't be bothered to do anything. They are rotting corpses.
Their capacity to become actual Solars.
Seriously, as a PC concept, Abyssals only interest me in terms of their capacity for redemption.