For the same reason Daenarys Targaryn wants the Iron Throne of Westeros: Creation is theirs by lineage, theirs by right, and theirs by effort. THEY forged paradise, THEY were the ones to rule, and then these hairless monkeys and upstart gods came and cast them out, mutilating them for good measure. They don't want something new, they want what's theirs. It is pride, pride yhat only rulers of the world who have been brought low can have, for pride is all many of them have left to deal with the self loathing.
 
Humans didn't, as a whole, participate in the Primordial War.
Unless there was a time when everyone was an Enlightened Martial Artist and/or Warstrider pilot.
For the second, Bluff Check. Or maybe mountain sized doomlaser, that might also work.
The Incarnae as a whole didn't participate in the war directly. That was the whole point of these things called 'exalted'. You may have heard of them. The Yozi aren't going to be inclined to see humanity as any different than the Incarnae, especially since the Exalted were the things that actually killed some of them. Plus, if they manage to wipe out humanity then the Exalted aren't a problem any more: no humans, no Exalted. Back to infinite Primordial fun time (may be indistinguishable from infinite everyone else pain time).


And, ignoring the idiocy of releasing beings that can kill everyone without some means to control them as a 'moral' option, the other basically requires you to first get to the high first age in terms of power. So, yeah, if you manage to unite everyone and get a extremely powerful military back up then you could probably release them. This is also something that is basically impossible, especially given that to do that you would need to deal with the lack of 150 solars.
Ah, forgot about those. Does no one know how to make more of them? Even Autochthon?
Could they all, possibly, be inclined to share?
Given that a large reason things went down as they did was that they didn't want to share, I'm going with no.

And the issue is that part of how Creation is structured is that it is the center of the universe. So many unique things went into it's construction, and so many things have been lost, that even with all the Primordials I wouldn't say that you could make another.
 
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Would you expect a man unjustly imprisoned and tortured for decades to forgive his accusers?
I would expect him to accept better living conditions, even if he still can't beat up his captors.
You build a house with your own two hands, and live in it for years with your family. You get a guard dog. Your dog recruits the ants in the yard to make a gun, shoots a bunch of your family, and locks you and the other survivors into a kennel that is several times too small, breaking your arms to fit. Decades later, when the gun is rusted and barely usable and the dog is fat, old and blind, one of the dog's ants lets you out, on condition that you go away and build another house elsewhere instead of beating the dog to death and taking your ****ing house back.

Do you? That's how the Yozis see things.

Also it's probably just not possible.
I laughed aloud. Bravo.
Cecelyne: "Oh My. A Mountain-Sized Doom Laser. Watch Me Quake In My Infinite Boots."
If necessary, I can punch the laws of physics until it works.
 
I would expect him to accept better living conditions, even if he still can't beat up his captors.
Why should he? Keep in mind, in this case there are no laws or authorities keeping him from doing so. So, why should he, external to his own feelings?
If necessary, I can punch the laws of physics until it works.
And they can punch physics(and you) right back so that it doesn't.
 
The very least of your problems with that is that the Pyre Upon Which Thoughts Are Burned has a perfect truth-checking Charm.
Surely there's a perfect lie-making Charm to counter that.
Why should he? Keep in mind, in this case there are no laws or authorities keeping him from doing so. So, why should he, external to his own feelings?
Being sufficiently outgunned.
So, my Foolproof Plan To Free The Yozis, Step One: Conquer all of Creation, Heaven, the Underworld, Autochthonia...
 
You build a house with your own two hands, and live in it for years with your family. You get a guard dog. Your dog recruits the ants in the yard to make a gun, shoots a bunch of your family, and locks you and the other survivors into a kennel that is several times too small, breaking your arms to fit. Decades later, when the gun is rusted and barely usable and the dog is fat, old and blind, one of the dog's ants lets you out, on condition that you go away and build another house elsewhere instead of beating the dog to death and taking your fucking house back.

Do you? That's how the Yozis see things.

Also it's probably just not possible.
Do you prefer to stay in the kennel?
 
Surely there's a perfect lie-making Charm to counter that.
Not really. There are ways to get to a roll off, but lie magic is generally less powerful than truth magic( same way that stealth is less powerful than awareness).
Being sufficiently outgunned.
So, my Foolproof Plan To Free The Yozis, Step One: Conquer all of Creation, Heaven, the Underworld, Autochthonia...
Not really, if only because doing so is going to cost you so much that the result will be lessened. You need to unite all of those, hopefully peacefully. And then go into the mother of all building and upgrade programs.
 
Hmm. Somehow I thought that Compassion 2 is what most people have in a more brutal and merciless time, such as Second-Age Creation.
Can you walk past a beggar without offering money or assistance? You're not Compassion 3+.
Can you make a hurtful joke at a friend's expense? You're not Compassion 3+.
Can you drive past a hitchhiker? Shrug off the deaths of hundreds because they're in another country? Totally ignore a charity hotline advert? Cheer on action heroes as they slaughter dozens? Start a fight to feel better about yourself? Argue that some people deserve to suffer? Enjoy an iPod knowing it was assembled by Chinese slave-children? You're not Compassion 3+.

If you're Compassion 3+ and you do these things, you have to burn Willpower like a candle to get through the day - leaving you distracted, tired and unsettled. Your average human probably has two dots in every Virtue, if that - Virtue 3+ is the point where you find people who just cannot let something go, people who will not back down or compromise. Heroes, in other words.

This is a weirdly binary way to handle it, and is only as context-sensitive as your Storyteller, so it's probably for the best that they ditched it - but it makes it clear the sort of person you are. Someone with Compassion 3+ has a bleeding heart, and will give of themselves, over and over, even unto destruction. That we live in the modern first world, where suffering is often less visible, doesn't mean there aren't people who cannot stand for it and people who shrug and say "well, it could be worse - it could be me". The latter are in the majority.

As for your example - personally, I really enjoy playing characters who don't seem to have wandered into Creation straight out of the modern West. Exalted who think nothing of slavery, or don't even understand what sexism is, or who buy totally into divine right or the words of the gods, or who are inured to casual death, or who don't really think of foreigners as people, or who consider the ability to read to be suspicious, and so on. It helps me distinguish them from myself, and produces more interesting conflict. I once played an abolitionist who was nevertheless an aggressive defender of his local caste system, because the former was the vile subjugation of a fellow man, and the other was a divinely-appointed structure for keeping society harmonious and producing useful members of society in these complex and modern days.

That said, First Age memories are a perfect excuse for a sudden shift in ethical standards.

Do you prefer to stay in the kennel?
Once, there was a maiden…
…who was always looking forward to the way things would be.
She said, "Someday, I'm getting out of this place.
"Someday, I'm going to kill that boy that put me here.
"And while I wait, I don't much mind,
'cause it's better to dream tomorrow than to be there."
***
"I'm holding at bay," she said, "what I know to be true.
"That I'll never get out.
"I won't let my dreams die!
"I'll hang on to hope," she said,
"until Time itself ends. But —"
"There's always an ending," said Time.
 
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She Who Lives In Her Name, of course, has twenty dice in appropriate actions (like analyzing things, like your claim) and Essence 10 to go to the rolloff with, not counting any other upgrade Charms she might break out. And also, Essence-Dissecting Stare will spot your lying Charm.
 
So, my Foolproof Plan To Free The Yozis
Why do you even want to do this? Like, what's your motivation here? It's clearly not any sense of moral justice, since you don't seem to care about the various other entities in the setting who are in similarly unpleasant living conditions. I can't imagine it's personal fondness for them, since they're mostly not that likeable. So why?
 
Do you prefer to stay in the kennel?
Of course not. But them wanting out isn't the question, it's if we should let them out. And just because someone wants to be out doesn't mean that they are actually let out: look at serial killers or other violent criminals. Just because they don't like prison doesn't mean we let them out when they ask to be.

Something else to keep in mind is that the Exalted were generally not needlessly cruel when designing Malfeas. Quite a lot of the Yozi's pain comes either from themselves or the fact that they're lost and imprisoned, which basically had to happen(the other option was death). The exceptions are generally things that had to be done in order to contain and imprison the Yozi in the first place.
Why do you even want to do this? Like, what's your motivation here? It's clearly not any sense of moral justice, since you don't seem to care about the various other entities in the setting who are in similarly unpleasant living conditions. I can't imagine it's personal fondness for them, since they're mostly not that likeable. So why?
I know some people I've talked to who have expressed that option (though not HoratioVonBecker, as he hasn't clarified), haven't really cared too much about the other beings, usually because it's not detailed as much as the Yozi's position.
 
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I myself think every being trapped in Soulsteel deserves more compassion than any of the Yozis.

(Really, the only reason to spend the considerable effort it would take to reform the Yozi something somewhat-sane is that it would make life in for the 1º circles bearable)
 
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The Incarnae as a whole didn't participate in the war directly. That was the whole point of these things called 'exalted'. You may have heard of them. The Yozi aren't going to be inclined to see humanity as any different than the Incarnae, especially since the Exalted were the things that actually killed some of them.
Were the humans training or arming the Exalted? That seems like a sufficiently clear line, so long as I could persuade them to treat humans on a case-by-case basis.
As that's unlikely to happen, I'm guessing the best solution is to get them to let me handle it.
Why do you even want to do this? Like, what's your motivation here? It's clearly not any sense of moral justice, since you don't seem to care about the various other entities in the setting who are in similarly unpleasant living conditions. I can't imagine it's personal fondness for them, since they're mostly not that likeable. So why?
Like who? The Neverborn? I have literally no idea how to help them, besides teaching them Adorjani Charms. Who else? My non-Infernal knowledge mostly predates Alchemicals. I've been focusing on the Yozis because they came up in the discussion.
I myself think every last being trapped in Soulsteel deserves more compassion than any of the Yozis.
Eh. Does being Soulsteel mean constant pain and awareness, or just being trapped without a way to do anything?
(Besides channel Essence to help kill people.)
 
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Why do you even want to do this? Like, what's your motivation here? It's clearly not any sense of moral justice, since you don't seem to care about the various other entities in the setting who are in similarly unpleasant living conditions. I can't imagine it's personal fondness for them, since they're mostly not that likeable. So why?
Regarding social moral justice, it's perhaps hasty to overlook the fact that humans owe everything to the Primordials. Just saying.
 
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Were the humans training or arming the Exalted? That seems like a sufficiently clear line, so long as I could persuade them to treat humans on a case-by-case basis.
As that's unlikely to happen, I'm guessing the best solution is to get them to let me handle it.
Humans were making exalted. Quite literally screwing them into existence. And Humans ultimately held the weapons which preformed the most henious act and killed Primordials.

Also, you seem to be not including the Exalted or other gods in the punishment, either. So, why and for what reason are you punishing the Incarnae alone?
Regarding social moral justice, it's perhaps hasty to overlook the fact that humans owe everything to the Primordials. Just saying.
Lolwut.
They were becoming the Exalted. They were, essentially, weapon parts.
You can't actually remove the culpability of Humanity that easily. Humanity jumped at the offer to fight this war. They were eager. The Yozi remember.
 
What's the behavioural difference between Compassion (or Temperance/Valour/Conviction) 1 and 2 anyway?

Compassion 1: Doesn't get this whole 'other people are people thing.'
Conviction 1: Categorically unable to stick to a single thing.
Temperance 1: Kleptomania and compulsive lying are a good start.
Valour 1: No backbone in the face of any opposition, be it physical, mental, social or otherwise.
 
They. Are. Screaming.

Forever.
Are they alive, in the sense that they can adapt, evolve, or do anything? Otherwise, one indefinite, horrible period of suspended animation doesn't seem particularly bad, compared to variable, neverending torture and the false hope of freedom.
Also, you seem to be not including the Exalted or other gods in the punishment, either. So, why and for what reason are you punishing the Incarnae alone?
The Exalted have died. I'd include the other gods who got involved, but it can be easy to forget what the term Incarnae actually refers to.
 
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