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200 sq km foundation, eezo helps
Shepard Quest Mk VII, Age of Revy (ME/MCU)
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that is really small for an Arcology as those things are supposed to be the equivalent of hive cites or mega cites , like 10 million is just the normal population of large city , an Arcology is supposed tp be a place that is designed to house hundreds of millions if not billions of people as that is what makes them a big deal , as Arcologies being a place that can comfortably and efficiently house that large a population is what makes them a step above normal cities since the engineering , civil ,technical, design and architectural challenges involved are major endeavors
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this is what i came up for a 'conventional' ME arcology
this is an arcology meant for 10 million people to live and DIE in without ever setting foot outside of the building. Everything you can imagine inside a city is inside this one single building taking up the same foot print as one of your factory I's. This one building would contain the entire population of Mindoir with space for almost 20x more there current pop.
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Hmm. That is certainly high at 500 people per square kilometer but there are worse cities so it is probably fine. I think I'm all in favor of building these; they are ridiculously cheap at just 250 credits per person.
Any sort of vaguely realistic Arcology is nothing like a hive city or mega city because they don't have to be. People have terrible senses of scale. Even with tiny town size (5k) Arcologies you can easily leave a planet 99% wilderness and still fit trillions of people.
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even then those 40k hive cities and mega cities are a result of running out of space in an arcology and needing to build more, then running out of horizontal space and needing to build UP on top of the old arcologies.
ok going give an example here
now the Ultima Tower designed is hold up to 1 million people with stress l believe it was said. great design currently 4 times higher than out tallest building with the base of 36 miles squared. to place the size in your head that is the size of Paris with paris having a pop count of 2.1 million. in this case just an example of a real life design Arcology ...l just wanted to share that to be honest
now the Ultima Tower designed is hold up to 1 million people with stress l believe it was said. great design currently 4 times higher than out tallest building with the base of 36 miles squared. to place the size in your head that is the size of Paris with paris having a pop count of 2.1 million. in this case just an example of a real life design Arcology ...l just wanted to share that to be honest
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[X] [PIA] Proposed Plan ParSec Leads The Way
[X] [PIRA] Proposed Plan Batteries and Turians
[X] [ST] Plan Family, Drells, and Exploration
[X] [PSD] Proposed Plan Safe Expansion
[X] [PIRA] Proposed Plan Batteries and Turians
[X] [ST] Plan Family, Drells, and Exploration
[X] [PSD] Proposed Plan Safe Expansion
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This just raises more questions about how Slums can exist 😡
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Human nature is a terrible, terrible thing.This just raises more questions about how Slums can exist 😡
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This just raises more questions about how Slums can exist 😡
As a reminder canonically in ME Earth still has a lot of poor countries and nations that are still just stuck at 20th century technology. The tech is also still pretty expensive as well. I imagine that part of improved arcologies may include along with improvements to some designs it would make cheaper designs to make arcologies more practical for less developed nations.
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The problem is I did maths estimating wealth in ME Earth. Assuming an extreme worst case scenario growth for the developing world:
They should still be able to afford two arcology houses per person and have cash left over!Cost of Living:
It doesn't really matter what the exchange rate is unless you're arguing it down significantly like this one: Although this estimate of the value of a credit suggests current average GDP capita is about $9000 https://screenrant.com/mass-effect-credits-worth-model-ships-fish-money/ Bloody inflated prices in tourist traps am I right
However we can sort of estimate based on what we think it would take to support an interstellar empire. And yeah I kinda agree, I don't think the SA military could be supported on a GDP per capita of $55,000 so the 1 to 1 exchange rate probably doesn't work. That makes the situation worse as we're still in the position that there was no growth in the colonies so there difference must occur in the 30% of the population.
Technically you are correct it doesn't say they haven't economically advanced... but if they have economically advanced, why haven't they used that economy to purchase more up to date technology? Technology and economy are pretty intricately linked.
And if they got moved up to 1990's tech while the developed world experience 200 years worth of growth then that's honestly worse than my estimate. As at just 3% growth over that time period would expect the economy to grow 370 times in that period while the developing ones, doubled(?) tripled(?).
I don't even know where you'd put them currently to make that estimate but that would put wealth disparity at something like 100:1 rather than 20:1 assuming that they had an equal starting position! However if you like we can use this to calculate an exchange rate assuming you don't object to my initial conditions
Since we know that in that case average gdp is about equal to 55,000 credits that gives an exchange rate of 71 dollars to the credit. After adjustment the average wealth of the 70% is now about 600 credits instead of 10,000.
% of world population GDP per capita at Current Date GDP per capita at ME Date 70 $ 10,000 $ 43,219.42375 Averaging 5% growth and 30 years of advancement 30 $ 35,000 $ 12,927,453.53 Averaging 3% growth and 200 years of advancement World average $ 17,500 $ 3,908,489.656
I doubt your scenario however, your own source talks about slums
Seriously the only way that this lunacy gets resolved is Tri says "no, actually. all countries in the world experienced reasonable amounts of growth.". Why would we even expect developing countries to not have experienced development in the interim period? Literally the only reason I can give is massive exploitation and suppression by the developed world.
I can only assume at this point that tri handwaved it and didn't tell me, or the developed world are being actively malicious in maintaining the slums.
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wait is this under the assumption that Humanity is united and is working towards the betterment of their species as a whole instead of still being all separate independent countries and governments with a space UN acting as their galactic face?
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No. If it were the developed world wouldn't have experienced 200 years of growth to the developing worlds 40. Arguably it already shows that the developed world is successfully supressing everyone else in that way.
That was an attempt to fit my previous (more reasonable in my mind) calculations to UberJJK's critisms in order to show that adjusting as he suggested made inequality worse!
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Pretty much this^^ SA may be a representative for humanity, like a UN that's also the main military, as a whole but nations are still independent and follow their own rules with how they run things.
As another reminder it's been noted that despite World hunger being a problem that can be solved today because we do have food for everybody there are numerous things preventing that including people.
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new power armors added to product list
arcologies PI and non PI added to building list
improved arcology research project added to latest turn research list
info threadmark tech tree to be updated later
extending voting deadline by a week due to the mess I made
now you can make a updated plan with all current info that will not be changed again.
arcologies PI and non PI added to building list
improved arcology research project added to latest turn research list
info threadmark tech tree to be updated later
extending voting deadline by a week due to the mess I made
now you can make a updated plan with all current info that will not be changed again.
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I was serious earlier. If we're tight on war production, then let's meet with HK and negotiate an extension of the power armor deal.
We already let them make legionnaires, why not centurions?
We already let them make legionnaires, why not centurions?
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Is there a reason the tech plans are not grabbing the cheap reverse engineer projects from the "batarian" super robot that attacked us?
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thats what I keep forgetting! thanks for reminding me, will add those back into the list now.
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Because out of character we strongly suspect that's Reaper tech and don't have IC reason to have our guys start using the brain shields due to not knowing about indoctrination.
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- Leeds
Wait do yo mean for everything crit failed you'll answer a question, or for every question we ask you'll fail a roll?
Also do these count?
Also do these count?
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Crit-fails are the bane of quests everywhere so I feel obligated to say no to that offer.
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The latter and no, just getting the general feel. Will mark an official start and what tag to add to post for official info request.