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Shepard Quest Mk VII, Age of Revy (ME/MCU)

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[x] plan 1 step at a time
-[x] Exodus (500 billion)
-[x] Panacea for all! Work with Sirta and their developing network of clinics to spread the benefits of this technology far and wide, (-13 Billion Credits)
--[x] tell the Alliance what you are doing
--[x] Work direct with the Salarian Government
---[x] with mordin being the diplomat
-[X] Mech Design: Knightmare
-[x] License Production Out
--[x] No
-[x] Refuse to sell these drugs for now
--[X] Do a run off clinical trials to study the psychological addition effects of these drugs on humans.
 
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LollipoPReapeR said:
This seems like a bad idea... Being easily able to convert civilian mechs into military ones is not good especially if anyone can do it. We need to make it so people can't just buy a bunch of civ models and just upgrade them by themselves.
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I'm kind of ok with that. I want the mech to propagate out. The SA is gonna buy the military version simply because it's easier in the long run. But the Turians, Asari and everybody else will want the Civy model. And I'm very interested in what they will do with it.
 
HanEmpire said:
I don't know about giving out Eternal Youth serum to the masses. It'd...destroy society.
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Iain Bank's Culture has it, and it didn't destroy them. But then you would have to reengineer the entirety of the social and economic system around post-scarcity, the infinite ability to explore and gather novelty by being a fully space-borne civilization plus said immortality to have it all work.
 
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HanEmpire said:
I don't know about giving out Eternal Youth serum to the masses. It'd...destroy society.
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It really wouldn't. Even setting aside the fact not releasing such technology would make Revy a killer on par with the Reapers people seriously overestimate the effects of Eternal Youth. According to the CDC 52.7 out of every 100,000 people die each year from unintentional injuries. To put that another way you have roughly a 0.0527% chance of dying each year from unintentional injuries. At that 25% of people won't make it to 545, 50% of people won't make it to 1300, and by 2625 75% of people will be dead. A very lucky 1% of people will live to 8500.

To put it another way Eternal Youth is only really putting the average person on par with the Asari (1,000+) and Krogans (1,400+) and that is only factoring in unintentional injuries resulting in death. Things like murder, war, and whatever diseases we haven't managed to eliminate will still claim lives and thus lower the average lifespan further.

As for overpopulation; Krogan females can literally produce thousand children per year and it still took four centuries for them to run out of room and start conquering colonies. Obviously they weren't going full bore given even assuming only one of those children are female that still allows for 10 nonillion times their initial female population, with of course 999x as many males, but that is a long time for an effectively ageless race with such a high potential reproductive rate.
 
@HanEmpire
Also, to follow-up on @UberJJK, when people have no biological drive to reproduce thanks to consciously and subconsciously knowing that they are immortal...well, such a society will actually have the opposite of your Malthusian problem: It will have severe lack of new births. In fact, such a society of immortals will require artificial womb tech just to preserve itself from going extinct in just a few tens of thousands of years as accidents simply pile up the deaths over the meager biological births. I am of course talking here about Human psycho-sociology here. Aliens like Krogans will have a different viewpoint on this.
 
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yea the first planet we get would just be to sentimental to get ride of.
we could with a good terraforming teck is to make a volus world l see them loveing that as they are more limited than turians are they not?
 
UberJJK said:
It really wouldn't. Even setting aside the fact not releasing such technology would make Revy a killer on par with the Reapers people seriously overestimate the effects of Eternal Youth. According to the CDC 52.7 out of every 100,000 people die each year from unintentional injuries. To put that another way you have roughly a 0.0527% chance of dying each year from unintentional injuries. At that 25% of people won't make it to 545, 50% of people won't make it to 1300, and by 2625 75% of people will be dead. A very lucky 1% of people will live to 8500.
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Peak human and sci-fi medicine probably drop the deaths by accident down quite a bit. Doesn't change your overall point, but worth mentioning.
 
tri2 said:
terraform previously unterraformable planets to sell
surprised no one considered this train of thought when looking at the terraforming tech

edit: or just selling premade colonies yes
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I'd be in favor of it if it didn't take too long. As I calculated previously ~5 years to convert Amaranthine into a Garden world. That puts us pretty close to canon so I'm not sure we'd see a payoff. Still there are definately near-Garden worlds we could reasonably terraform faster and potentially flip for profit.

Katsuragi said:
Peak human and sci-fi medicine probably drop the deaths by accident down quite a bit. Doesn't change your overall point, but worth mentioning.
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Not sure it really would though. They would probably help with the biggest cause of death (accidental poisoning) but unintentional falls would be about the same (tougher bodies but higher heights) and Motor vehicle traffic deaths now include flying cars (vastly more deadly) and spacecraft (somehow even more deadly then flying cars). Saying that improved medicine and the ever increasing new ways of dying are a wash seems reasonable to me.
 
HanEmpire said:
I don't know about giving out Eternal Youth serum to the masses. It'd...destroy society.
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Only because society isn't prepared to accept that retirements aren't going to be a thing anymore, and that's something society can deal with over time. It's not as if that'll matter instantly.


Also, and regarding colony flipping; the profit wouldn't be in selling the colonies, it'd be in extracting taxes from the colonies. And I don't think Paragon wants to get into the government business, so it'd be less building and selling colonies and more striking a deal with the SA for terraforming/construction work and being the primary employer for the first couple of decades on the planet as we develop the place economically.
 
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Oh I suspect retirement will still be things... But more like extended vacations.

Basically instead of taking a year long sabbatical you take a decade or three.

Eh people can sort that out.

But we should keep term limits in place assuming there are any. Political entrenchment is going to get enough worse already.
 
Durabys said:
@HanEmpire
Also, to follow-up on @UberJJK, when people have no biological drive to reproduce thanks to consciously and subconsciously knowing that they are immortal...well, such a society will actually have the opposite of your Malthusian problem: It will have severe lack of new births. In fact, such a society of immortals will require artificial womb tech just to preserve itself from going extinct in just a few tens of thousands of years as accidents simply pile up the deaths over the meager biological births. I am of course talking here about Human psycho-sociology here. Aliens like Krogans will have a different viewpoint on this.
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Going to point out the fallacy here in that people are just biologically immortal. As in they just don't die of age anymore. They can still die from other causes. We also have an in-story example with the Asari of a long lived race still producing children consistently.
UberJJK said:
Not sure it really would though. They would probably help with the biggest cause of death (accidental poisoning) but unintentional falls would be about the same (tougher bodies but higher heights) and Motor vehicle traffic deaths now include flying cars (vastly more deadly) and spacecraft (somehow even more deadly then flying cars). Saying that improved medicine and the ever increasing new ways of dying are a wash seems reasonable to me.
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Think you are overestimating the number of deaths from accident. While yes they would most definitely be happening accidents like car related ones are likely to not be nearly as much of an issue considering that, IIRC, self driving cars are likely a thing and much more safer than normal human operated cars. Even if cars aren't fully automated they could still have systems created to drastically reduce the number of accidents.

Then as mentioned people having tougher bodies would likely reduce the number of accidents further by maybe something like half or even 2 thirds.
 
Awww, we got the world with max oversight. Let's hope the alliance government doesn't get it into their heads to try and restrict any of our research.

Also with our merc recruitment not doing so great, we should actually start branching out and doing work for someone other then the alliance.

Also, what is the status of our nanotreatment upgrade? It was supposed to finish this turn right?
 
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On the subject of the dream drugs, what do people think about selling them but including big and explicit warnings about what they could do so that our customers are aware?
 
Just realized something, Tractor beams seem like they would help with terraforming planets since they would make it a lot easier to move say move large concentrations of water which is the most crucial component needed for complex life in the first place. Whether in large concentrations of ice asteroids or even clouds in space. To give an example for real life scientists discovered a giant cloud of water around 30 billion miles from Earth that has at least 130 trillion times the amount of water that Earth's oceans have according to what I found on google.

In fact this could be a another good reason to make larger size ships since it means that we can move water for terraforming in even larger amounts. Am imagining something like unlocking new ship 'block' designs for ships designed specifically for terraforming.
tri2 said:
terraform previously unterraformable planets to sell
surprised no one considered this train of thought when looking at the terraforming tech
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@tri2 Not sure if you remember but i made a write in research project that involved creating what amounted to a highly advanced giant tractor beam meant to move entire planets outside their Goldie Locks zone, AKA the zone that is at just the right place between a planet and it's sun that lets complex life exist, zone into said zone. Which could potentially open up the possibility to terraform millions of worlds that would not have even been able to.

First off would we potentially be able to make such a design? Second if we could how valuable would such a thing be to not just humanity but the other races?

Asking because you just mentioned how terraforming planets could be a lucrative business. And yes I am aware that such a thing is pretty much guaranteed to be extremely research heavy and likely to be at the high end for the tech tree. Still curious.
 
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