The Sixth Great Maelstrom is unique, because normally the Great Maelstroms are caused by massive deaths and catastrophes in our own world, i.e. the Skinlands, but this is not the case for the Sixth Great Maelstrom. Instead, it was caused by the assault on Stygia (the Western underworld) by Yellow Springs, the Asian underworld, led by Yu Huang, the ghost of Qin Shi Huang. In addition, the Hierarchy was at the same time laying siege to the city of Enoch, which was ruled by fucking vampire wizards or something (look it's been a long time ago i can't remember everything lol) and in the end destroyed it with a GHOST NUKE.

Also there was some Void Engineer idk the POINT IS that a lot of huge destruction happened and in the end, a huge army of Spectres assaulted, Charon transcended and the Sixth Great Maelstrom came.

TL;DR: white wolf is fucking weird man
I thought the spirit nuking was done by the Technocracy against the code Ragnarok in India during the week of nightmares, and the damage from that caused the maelstrom and the avatar storm?
 
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I thought the spirit nuking also had something to do with the code Ragnarok in India. Or am I getting two different events that happened around the same time conflated in my head?
No, they're completely separate. The spirit nuke was literally a relic nuke in the sense of a nuke that also just happened to have passed into the realms of death. Code RAGNAROK was a Skinlands event that shattered the Avatars of people at Ground Zero, scattering them in the form of the Avatar Storm.
 
No, they're completely separate. The spirit nuke was literally a relic nuke in the sense of a nuke that also just happened to have passed into the realms of death. Code RAGNAROK was a Skinlands event that shattered the Avatars of people at Ground Zero, scattering them in the form of the Avatar Storm.
Ah ha! Checked the wiki, looks like it was suggested that the Technocracy's bombs might have contributed to Tempest instability, making the effects of the spirit nuke even worse than they would have been. That must have been what I was remembering.
 
[X] An Escape Route: Never get into a fight without an exit plan. They need to set up some way of getting out to safer territory first.

Priority here is survival.
 
Awww, fighting an army of ghosts as a family. What do you mean it's not heartwarming?

It also makes it easy for her to decide to go back when she realizes that the person hunting Jamelia here is literally an angry ghost who thinks that torturing someone to death, torturing someone again after death, then soulforging them into an ashtray is good, wholesome fun.
See? Heartwarming :V.

[X] Equipment: Jamelia and Harlan packed light. They're going to need to find equipment capable of evening the odds against a deathlord's personal army, or tools to assassinate something that powerful. Elissa doesn't think she's going to be lucky enough to catch him unprepared this time.

We're assassins. Everyone in this family is specced for assassin-type missions. So our options are really either sneak in and decapitate this army, or just leave right away -- but if he tracked us down once, he can probably do it again.

We could go in right now and have a decent chance -- Alice has Death and Jamelia has built her entire career on performing miracles on a shoestring budget -- but... like, Choi is the aggressor, here. He tracked us down, he's got an army closing in; he certainly knows Jamelia and won't underestimate her, so he almost certainly has a plan already, has preparations for something as obvious as "the assassin you're hunting notices and tries to turn the ambush around". That doesn't necessarily make it a bad option, but it does mean that we should make our own preparations first, rather than running headfirst into whatever trap he's set.

So let's augment ourselves, and see if we can't spring that trap without getting caught in it.
 
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[X] An Escape Route: Never get into a fight without an exit plan. They need to set up some way of getting out to safer territory first.
 
[X] Equipment: Jamelia and Harlan packed light. They're going to need to find equipment capable of evening the odds against a deathlord's personal army, or tools to assassinate something that powerful. Elissa doesn't think she's going to be lucky enough to catch him unprepared this time.

Exactly that last line. Choi has a well coordinated plan already underway. Spectre-ridden and armed forces backing a deathlord's personal power against the lightly packed family. Change those odds.
 
Had we voted for Rose to take up the Sword, I would have went for [] Allies. But her part in our story is probably over
I think that while Harlan and Elissa could take on Choi, Its being hinted very heavily that Harlan would likely to sacrifice himself for Elissa.

So:

[X] Equipment:
Jamelia and Harlan packed light. They're going to need to find equipment capable of evening the odds against a deathlord's personal army, or tools to assassinate something that powerful. Elissa doesn't think she's going to be lucky enough to catch him unprepared this time.

Incidentally, @MJ12 Commando what was the winning result of this vote?
Jamelia isn't a very sentimental person by nature. But even so, she's kept something with her, something that has a little bit of meaning from her long life. This something is…
[ ] A paper menu from Cafe Dar, which has inexplicably stayed open for the intervening decades after Illiyeen left its employ.
[ ] A set of recorded lectures by Blanc, in her early days, about psychological warfare.
[ ] Winston's HELMETSHRIKE Squadron Seven patch, a stylized predatory bird with a menacing crest.
[ ] The last picture of Amalgam-451, taken after Izanagi and before the start of its dissolution. Everyone in the picture is smiling, even her.
[ ] Something Illiyeen grabbed from Hollywood.
Write-In: What is it?
 
[X] Equipment: Jamelia and Harlan packed light. They're going to need to find equipment capable of evening the odds against a deathlord's personal army, or tools to assassinate something that powerful. Elissa doesn't think she's going to be lucky enough to catch him unprepared this time.
Incidentally, @MJ12 Commando what was the winning result of this vote?

Weirdly enough, there's no mention of it in the narrative, by our QM, or a vote tally. Fortunately, I can give you a vote tally:
Adhoc vote count started by Derpmind on Jun 20, 2019 at 6:51 AM, finished with 87 posts and 44 votes.
 
[] Equipment: Jamelia and Harlan packed light. They're going to need to find equipment capable of evening the odds against a deathlord's personal army, or tools to assassinate something that powerful. Elissa doesn't think she's going to be lucky enough to catch him unprepared this time.

I like this option, with the proper preparation we can have a better chance of turning this ambush against him.

It's certainly safer than going after him directly without any preparation. Calling allies has a similar benefit but involves more people and could be a security risk, I'd rather we just augment the assets we already have.

Running is an option but it's not like Choi is going to stop hunting us, better we finish this.
 
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[X] Equipment: Jamelia and Harlan packed light. They're going to need to find equipment capable of evening the odds against a deathlord's personal army, or tools to assassinate something that powerful. Elissa doesn't think she's going to be lucky enough to catch him unprepared this time.
 
[X] An Escape Route: Never get into a fight without an exit plan. They need to set up some way of getting out to safer territory first.

Sometimes you just have to try to bug out - and "you're in the middle of Paris, when lightly armed, and a pissed off murderghost wants your head" is one of them.
 
[X] An Escape Route: Never get into a fight without an exit plan. They need to set up some way of getting out to safer territory first.
 
Hmm, I think I'll change my vote.

From Equipment to

[X] An Escape Route:
Never get into a fight without an exit plan. They need to set up some way of getting out to safer territory first.

I don't think getting equipment is a bad idea but then again, discretion is the better part of valor and tactically it's probably a better idea to get out of the ambush before we start thinking about striking back.
Adhoc vote count started by Fourthspartan56 on Jun 23, 2019 at 6:29 PM, finished with 30 posts and 13 votes.

  • [X] An Escape Route: Never get into a fight without an exit plan. They need to set up some way of getting out to safer territory first.
    [X] Equipment: Jamelia and Harlan packed light. They're going to need to find equipment capable of evening the odds against a deathlord's personal army, or tools to assassinate something that powerful. Elissa doesn't think she's going to be lucky enough to catch him unprepared this time.
    [X] An Escape Route.
 
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If at first you don't succeed, or you think there's a possibility of not first succeeding; run, run away. Isn't that right, Cat Hyena?

[X] An Escape Route.
 
This isn't being picked up by the vote tally. I suggest editing the vote onto its own line, without any text to its left.
I see, thanks for the heads up.

pretty sure panopticon quest don't use vote tally.
Hmm, I suppose better safe then sorry.
Adhoc vote count started by Fourthspartan56 on Jun 24, 2019 at 12:07 PM, finished with 36 posts and 16 votes.

  • [X] An Escape Route: Never get into a fight without an exit plan. They need to set up some way of getting out to safer territory first.
    [X] Equipment: Jamelia and Harlan packed light. They're going to need to find equipment capable of evening the odds against a deathlord's personal army, or tools to assassinate something that powerful. Elissa doesn't think she's going to be lucky enough to catch him unprepared this time.
    [X] An Escape Route.
    [X] Allies: Elissa knows that An-Jin Choi is a powerful deathlord with immense personal power and massive armies, all gained from his stolen mien and his foreknowledge of the chaos which would occur after 1999. They're going to want allies for this. It might cost them, but Elissa has a handful of favors she can burn and Harlan and Jamelia have their own contacts.
 
Because I am unfamiliar with the mechanics and powers ghost!Choi operates under, can someone give me an explanation on how dangerous a Deathlord is?

Alice did damaged Choi, and Harlan is far far deadlier than she is.
 
Because I am unfamiliar with the mechanics and powers ghost!Choi operates under, can someone give me an explanation on how dangerous a Deathlord is?

Alice did damaged Choi, and Harlan is far far deadlier than she is.
I don't know enough to actually answer this question in full, but i have some bits of half-remembered insight...

- He's dead. That means that there are very few things that can actually kill him. DSci can do it, wielded properly, and Death can do it, and from the tools we have, that's about it. He's also way out-of-paradigm for many of the focuses we might want to bring to bear.
- Wraiths have this thing where they have their own worst enemy in their head, with a resource pool (angst) that the wraith can fill as a cost paid to get other things. The enemy (the shadow, I think?) can take control, and burn angst as a resource to do resource things. That means that if you beat a wrath down to near-nothing, there's a decent chance that instead of folding they'll yield position to the Shadow, who suddenly has a full resource pool to play with. The more in tune with each other the two are, the easier and more efficiently this goes. Given that Choi is at a point where he'd be pretty cool with Ending All Things if it meant he could get revenge on Jamelia, there's a good chance they're getting along pretty well with one another right now.
- Wraiths who are walking around with bodies of their own are known as "Revenants". (This is different from the wraiths who are possessing people, which I know almost nothing about). I believe that in order to become a revenant, you *have* to be getting along pretty well with your darker self. Also, damage to the body is not hugely significant, unless you annihilate it utterly - anything less than that, and the wraith or shadow can just reassemble the thing, and it doesn't slow them down nearly as much as standard damage would to normal people. They can sometimes fake being a vampire well enough to fit in more or less, but their blood is rotted and clotted and will cause vampires to vomit.
- Just because you can't touch them doesn't mean that they can't touch you.

So... basically the issue is that this guy has a lot of resources and a lot of mooks, and a deep knowledge of how Jamelia's head works, and a number of strange spiritual powers, and he's bloody hard to kill, and reasonably hard to *find*, and the mooks that actually matter also have spiritual powers (or possessing entities with spiritual powers) and hating Jamelia is literally one of the pillars of his existence.

I'm remembering very little about fetters, though (the hate thing). I know that the fact that she's a fetter for him lets him do stuff with respect to her that he can't do just anywhere, and I suspect it lets him find her a lot easier, but I'm not at all sure about the details.
 
[X] An Escape Route: Never get into a fight without an exit plan. They need to set up some way of getting out to safer territory first.
 
[X] Allies: Elissa knows that An-Jin Choi is a powerful deathlord with immense personal power and massive armies, all gained from his stolen mien and his foreknowledge of the chaos which would occur after 1999. They're going to want allies for this. It might cost them, but Elissa has a handful of favors she can burn and Harlan and Jamelia have their own contacts.

gee it would sure be useful if we had people who can hurt the stupidly hard to kill bishie korean deathlord
 
[X] Allies: Elissa knows that An-Jin Choi is a powerful deathlord with immense personal power and massive armies, all gained from his stolen mien and his foreknowledge of the chaos which would occur after 1999. They're going to want allies for this. It might cost them, but Elissa has a handful of favors she can burn and Harlan and Jamelia have their own contacts.

gee it would sure be useful if we had people who can hurt the stupidly hard to kill bishie korean deathlord
We do have people like that. Elissa and Harlan *are* people like that.

That's not saying that this is necessarily a bad idea, mind you.
 
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