Translation: He has all the permadox.

There's also the question of "what kind of worldview does this mage have to have spent over 4 centuries as Control's bloody right hand, without getting past the E5 ceiling."

Granted, E6 is supposed to be really hard, but it still raises some questions.

It generally means you're comfortable with where you are, which does in fact happen. People just get complacent about what they're doing.

Also, age permanent paradox is lower than you'd think. You only start getting it starting on your second century, and there are ways to mitigate it. None of them are particularly fun or cheap, but it is absolutely possible for old magi-particularly ones who don't regularly make use of big, powerful magics with worldshaking effects-to keep functional for a good long while via regular, painful sacrifices.

Which should tell you something as well.
 
Of the following, they settle on two final choices for senior personnel:
Again, you can only choose two,

Huh, I coulda sworn it was only one. Oh well, time to revise my vote obey orders.

[X] Agent Alya al-Saud-The Dilettante
[X] HITMark VII Test Unit 02 'Astrea'-The Ideal


Yeah, that's right. Two newbies, not just one! One's an outgoing agent with broad focus, the other's an introverted mono-focus. I forsee these two driving each other crazy working together beautifully!
 
Also, age permanent paradox is lower than you'd think.
It's not just age, but age, plus augments, plus lack of innate reducers, plus likelihood of throwing high-sphere effects that can pull more dox. I suspect he rolls quite often, and rolls plenty of dice each time.
Question. If Agent Alya al-Saud gets picked, then between her, Serafina and Antoinette can this now be A Game of Posthumans, Perniciousness, Paranoia, Politics, Plasmaguns and Princesses?
Please yes.
 
I haven't voted yet but this update has spurred me to vote.

[X] Elias Richter-The Troubleshooter

You had me at "blood right hand of CONTROL" and "has been fighting a personal war against Panopticon".

Also those spheres. <drools>

[X] HITMark VII Test Unit 02 'Astrea'-The Ideal

I just like the idea of a post-human superintelligent robot leading a task force.
 
It's not just age, but age, plus augments, plus lack of innate reducers, plus likelihood of throwing high-sphere effects that can pull more dox. I suspect he rolls quite often, and rolls plenty of dice each time.

Please yes.
if mj12 doesn't acquiesce i will personally change the title :mad::mad::mad:

[X] Agent Alya al-Saud-The Dilettante

this is definitely a powerful waifu, we do good in acquiring more princesses

[X] Elias Richter-The Troubleshooter

he blinded me with science christ who has that many spheres
 
So, we've been told multiple times that this vote isn't for "who do you want on the team?". It's for "what sort of team do you want? So... what sort of team do each of these people imply?

[] HITMark VII Test Unit 02 'Astrea'-The Ideal
Inexperienced, unenlightened dedicated command and control. Gets us some ItX bennies. This one says both that we're willing to play testbed for ItX ideas and that we expect/intend to field significant numbers of units at once, perhaps in coordination with other teams, particularly Shock Corps - enough that hypercompetent unEnlightened C&C actually has value.

[]Captain Lixing Zhao-The Treadstone
key phrases here are "primarily engaging in espionage support activities such as hot-zone extraction, long-range reconnaissance, and special forces assaults" and "lower profile... can act in plainclothes and hide from enemy senses". This guy shouldn't be over where the plasma is flying, but he's great at achieving quiet objectives while the rest of the team is being productively loud, at running small team C&C/prepwork from afar, and at the sort of infiltration/sabotage prepwork that can be Really Handy sometimes. He's going to tend to imply missions with fewer assets deployed, achieving more specific and complicated objectives.

[]Alex O'Shea-The Cyberspace Cowboy
Cyberwarfare, traditions contacts (with a good chance of intel coming out of that), fighting Threat Null in cyberspace, may have some discipline issues. That's... well, it's already laid out pretty simply, really. Do you want to assault the cyber-constructs of Threat Null while managing a cat-herd of VA support? There you go.

[]Lieutenant Anjali Sylia-The Champion
More of what we have, plus a minimal amount of extra influence through the Sylia family. Zero integration issues. This one... first, solidifies the ideantity of the team that much more. Given a chance to shake things up a bit, we're turning it down. We're also promoting from within, which means that there's resources and favors out of the hiring budget that aren't being spent.

[] Agent Alya al-Saud-The Dilettante
This one's dicey. There's a lot of potential there - she *wants* to be someone who would be awesome for this - but it cold go very sour, and she's pretty weak for right now. Has some influence in the Syndicate, and is likely to see the Syndicate trying to push some influence back, especially as we do what we need to do to turn her into who she needs to be.

[] Elias Richter-The Troubleshooter
"avoid prolonged operations on earth" plus absurdly capable assassin means that if we're pulling this guy in, we expect to be eliminating some viciously hard targets, in ugly, ugly ways. We'll probably pick up at least a bit of that "Most deserved it. Many did not." thing. There is a significant chance that he takes over the team himself. Might not have much *influence*, per se, but can get a lot of respect from a fair swath of people both for what he is capable of doing and for what he has done.

/***********/

So, of that group, the stuff that sticks out at me... I like the idea of bringing in Al-Saud. If we can train her right, she turns into a highly effective combatant who also has significant influence on the Syndicate side. The trick is who to bring in with her to maximize the chances that she winds up useful rather than useless.

Alex is a terrible combo with her. He's a discipline issue waiting to happen, and the turbulence from trying to keep control of him and whatever VA help he brings in is going to make everything harder with respect to getting her to actually integrate into the unit right. Elias Richter is probably also a bad combo, if only because he's lost much of his ability to human and is reasonably likley to push some sort of leadership challenge. Also, taking Al-Saud straight from "milk run" to "assassination missions" may not be the best idea. Zhao... might not be terrible, but he won't help. He's going to tend to bias things to more complicated missions, which might nto be best for her, and he is, of all things, an NWO with no dots in Mind.

That leaves two.

Astrea might fit. Going somewhat larger-scale means that we're more likely to interact with other parts of the technocracy, and having someone who speaks fluent Syndicate is bound to be useful there. There's some overlap between "We have an in with the ItX experimental equipment divisions" and the influence and money stuff that comes out of being an Al-Saud, but that isn't necessarily terrible. The fact that this would almost automatically mean that the princess would be taking direction from a construct could get interesting.

On the flip side we have Sylia, who has a decent grasp of Mind, and is fully integrated with the unit, giving us that much more internal cohesion with which to pull her into place as one of us.

The other part of "could be a liability" comes from having her influence turned against us (whether intentional on her part or not). Our best insulation from that is having extra influence of our own. Of the available influence bits... Sylia's our best bet. She can't swing but so much, but the influence she can swing at least hits the right levels. Things like "VA contacts" and "ItX experimental design team likes you" are handy in other ways, but they wont' much help here.

[x]Lieutenant Anjali Sylia-The Champion
[x] Agent Alya al-Saud-The Dilettante
 
Hi everyone! I'm working my way through the archive, but I have one question. In the various voteable options for what to do next, some of them have what look like modifiers, things like (0.4x) or (1.5x) or whatever. What do those do, exactly? Changing roll difficulty, modifying the number of dice, something else?
 
Hi everyone! I'm working my way through the archive, but I have one question. In the various voteable options for what to do next, some of them have what look like modifiers, things like (0.4x) or (1.5x) or whatever. What do those do, exactly? Changing roll difficulty, modifying the number of dice, something else?

weighted voting.

So 0.4x means each vote counts as 0.4 votes etc
 
[ ]Elias Richter-The Troubleshooter

So i assume if we take this guy, we would need to keep the ops 'morally correct' lest we end up like his last boss?
 
[ ]Elias Richter-The Troubleshooter

So i assume if we take this guy, we would need to keep the ops 'morally correct' lest we end up like his last boss?

For a certain definition of 'morally correct.' You don't spend 350 years as a wet works assassin, and don't get extensive use of paradox mitigation resources to keep you active as one, if you're squeamish about murdering people who deserve to be murdered under a certain definition of 'deserve.'
 
For a certain definition of 'morally correct.' You don't spend 350 years as a wet works assassin, and don't get extensive use of paradox mitigation resources to keep you active as one, if you're squeamish about murdering people who deserve to be murdered under a certain definition of 'deserve.'

Additional question. Is the fact that he has Prime and not Primal Utility relevant?
 
I've been thinking about Donald's choice (is that vote still open?) and I realized something.

One of the arguments for Positive is that the Technocracy are already mage-kings, and that being publicly in control will make them more accountable. There's also linkhyrule5's argument that the right kind of mage will be better at being in charge. I hesitantly agree with the first argument, and absolutely agree with the second barring Paradox-related complications.

However, I thought back to the motivations of the Order of Reason we've seen. One of their core motivations for spreading their paradigm, for promoting science and technology, was an attempt to equalize the Masses - so that anyone with the right education could do what a wizard could do. They wanted to give the Masses control over their own lives.

This, obviously, hasn't worked. Magic has changed to account for changing Sleeper capabilities - Forces successes today can go a lot further than they could in 1300, for example. And while the movements of the Masses can be beyond the Technocracy's ability to control, those we've seen are the result of institutional processes or manipulation rather than any kind of volition on the part of the people.

Considering that, I think that a Positive decision is essentially an admission of defeat. It's accepting that the Masses cannot be given power over their own destinies, and deciding to focus on what's possible rather than what's ideal. It's saying that humanity will always be ruled by the supernormal or superhuman, so the best thing the Technocracy can do is rule responsibly.

And that may be true... but a theme of this quest has been hanging on to a core of idealism even when it doesn't seem sensible, and that paying dividends later. And while the Order of Reason's dream may ultimately be futile, I'd like to hold out hope that it isn't.

[X] Negative

Votes on Camlann personnel when and if I can think of something more compelling than "this one sounds cooler."
 
Have to agree with Sirrocco. Sylia is competent and solidifies the team, and Alya will get us those connections to the Syndicate, as well as making handling getting enough funding easier by her Primal Utility. Both seem to have plenty of room to grow, especially Alya who has that in her profile pointed out specifically. That they both should slot painlessly to the command positions is also a nice bonus.

I also would like to point out that Alya is the only other option besides Elias who has DSci (or Spirit in the case of Elias), and I'm wary about including the later. DSci 2 is already pretty good while dealing with spirits hostile aliens from I've understood, which becomes important considering that the Threat Null still out there (and other lesser but still unsavory factions like genocidal werewolves, Pentex, Rogue Council, etc). While the right VE gear will compensate for a lot, having someone on the team who understands and specializes in neutralizing such things is always a good thing.

We see Kessler doing just that for the rest of the team in their trial by (small) fire against the EDEs, and more of that on the team will likely mean that operations might focus more on dismantling the direct agents (and Agents) of Threat Null on Earth. Probably to lesser degree than it would be with Elias, but again, wary about including him on the team. Not because of him hiding some harmful agenda, but the mindset he would likely be bringing to the Camlann. With that said:

[X]Lieutenant Anjali Sylia-The Champion
[X] Agent Alya al-Saud-The Dilettante
 
I also would like to point out that Alya is the only other option besides Elias who has DSci (or Spirit in the case of Elias), and I'm wary about including the later. DSci 2 is already pretty good while dealing with spirits hostile aliens from I've understood, which becomes important considering that the Threat Null still out there (and other lesser but still unsavory factions like genocidal werewolves, Pentex, Rogue Council, etc). While the right VE gear will compensate for a lot, having someone on the team who understands and specializes in neutralizing such things is always a good thing.
While I also dislike Elias, I would note that having a second user of Spirit to work with Kessler, who has serious chops in it, would be fun. Spirit is also pretty rare in the TU, so Elias is a rare opportunity in that way. Not sure how if the paradigms would line up, but it's an interesting possibility at least.
 
So, looking at these, I think it's not so much a question of what the individual agents bring to the team as what they mean for Camlann going forwards and as an operational ethos, essentially. To put it another way, it's a question of "the organisation will become somewhere that would hire these people".

[ ] HITMark VII Test Unit 02 'Astrea'-The Ideal

Astrea is pretty simple for what she means - it's a Camlann that's sitting closely to the Iteration X side of things. It's an organisation that trusts hardware, and more than that, it trusts an AI such as this enough to put it in command over people. Additionally, her skillset is likely to lead the group to develop a wide-reaching view of things, because she's a super planned who doesn't need to sleep and can probably do bullshit like monitor an entire country's communications.

[ ]Captain Lixing Zhao-The Treadstone

Zhao is also fairly simple - he's a mark of a Camlann that's lower visibility, taking lower tech solutions and operating among the masses. He's going to bring a much more Operative view of things to things. And among all the cybernetics enhanced Shock Corps jocks, he's basically going to be the Togusa of the team - squishier, but coming with a much more grounded, different perspective that lets them work lower-visibility. But on the flip-side, that also means that they'll be focussed more on soft ops, which does mean they're lacking for when the ultra-hard meat hits the cyber-metal.

[ ]Alex O'Shea-The Cyberspace Cowboy

O'shea's an old fashioned VA cowboy who's kept VA contacts, and therefore a Camlann that's kept him around is one that's much more open to VA contacts - which leads to Traditionalist contacts in general. It'd be a Technocratic wing that's willing to talk with the Traditions. And also probably have more of a Digital Web focus. The cost of this is that it might make Camlann less of a good fit for the Union and result in it being locked out a bit more from hardware and tools and the like because it's... ahem, "suspect".

[ ]Lieutenant Anjali Sylia-The Champion:

Not too much to say about this Sylia. It's a Shock Corps reinforcing thing, unlike Astra (who is a product more of the newer ItX R&D side of things). She'll likely produce a better disciplined, Shock Corps integrated force, although that might result in a bit less funding as it'll reduce its USP. Still, this is for a Camlann that's got military competence and is pretty self-sustaining/integrated and reliable.

[ ] Agent Alya al-Saud-The Dilettante

Two words; lotsa dosh. Alya is a mark of a Camlann that's allied with the "quirky privilege" side of the Union, much like Serafina (although not necessarily as reformist as Sera is). She's harbinger of a very well funded Camlann that's willing to take ties to existing power hierarchies to make sure it has the assets to have the job, even if it means taking people like her (who is, after all, a slightly unreliable dilettante). It does blunt Camlann's personnel though - the cost of better resources is that they'll have to work more to bring some of these people who aren't from the hard edge of operations up to speed more and might find themselves having to further other people's agendas.

[ ] Elias Richter-The Troubleshooter

And in an immediate flipside, Richter is all edge. A Camlann who'd take him in is one willing to take in bloody-handed veterans of the past and accept the sullied assets that they might have. Richter is a misanthrope who's killed a lot of people in Control's name, and more than any of the others he'll be deliberately trying to imprint his vision of "this is how things are done" onto the organisation - and he has the expertise that yes, many of his suggestions will be used because they're good solutions to the problem at hand. A Camlann shaped by him will resemble the organisations of the past more, and will be good at what it does. If what it does is what you want.
 
While I also dislike Elias, I would note that having a second user of Spirit to work with Kessler, who has serious chops in it, would be fun. Spirit is also pretty rare in the TU, so Elias is a rare opportunity in that way. Not sure how if the paradigms would line up, but it's an interesting possibility at least.

They almost certainly don't line up, if I'm reading his specialization and former specialization in Prime right. Elias sounds like a Witch Hunter with his former God's Wrath specialization, and having Banishment for Spirit is much more exorcist-y than anything else.

[X] Agent Alya al-Saud-The Dilettante
[X]Captain Lixing Zhao-The Treadstone


Steelheads kicking doors down is always going to be an integral part of the Technocracy, but it doesn't have to be the only part.
 
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