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Nervaqus987 said:
Honestly, the way I handle things, it's a matter of (spiritual) geography more than any other factor.

The Thousand Hells are patchwork realms ruled by spirits of dire power. The Yama Kings tore chunks out of the Spirit World and the Underworld, kludged those chunks together and mortared them with thousands of years worth of tormented souls.
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So it would make sense to have Yama Kings all over the world and inspired by different demon myths make the Hungry Dead not related to Asian culture at all expect for the fact that Ku-Jin in Asia have Asian influenced demons
 
Konradleijon said:
So it would make sense to have Yama Kings all over the world and inspired by different demon myths make the Hungry Dead not related to Asian culture at all expect for the fact that Ku-Jin in Asia have Asian influenced demons
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Yeah and even then not all the splats in relentless age is based on Asian mythology. One of them is explicitly based on Abrahamic religion.


The Eastern Road of Heaven: Chosen of God

No one said it is an easy thing to follow God. Yes, the drinking of blood is unquestionably haram– but so is alcohol, yet the great Sufist poets were probably not being metaphorical when they wrote about the pleasures of wine. And of the five prayers required by the faith, two are during the day; who is so anointed among the Hungry Dead that they will rise and perform them? Truly, we all have failings– But what really matters, say the Chosen of God, is that they create a world where the faithful can improve.

To the followers of the Eastern Road of Heaven, God the All-Merciful has plucked them– the most imperfect, flawed and undeserving– from the suffering of hell, in order to undertake a holy mission: They must defend the human faith from threats that humans do not understand and cannot fight, challenges that they have little hope of overcoming without the help of monsters. The Chosen of God protect the garden of Islam and allow it to prosper, and at the end of a long and difficult road, it is said that the most dutiful will join God's side in heaven, to stand in the light among the virtuous.

When the Cainite Road of Heaven began to wane in Europe was approximately when the Eastern Road of Heaven began to come into its own. This makes it technically one of the youngest ways of enlightenment for the Hungry Dead, though the Chosen would never countenance being called a "Dharma." The spiritual practices of unbelievers automatically mark them as creatures of temptation and darkness, theoretically to be converted or destroyed on principle… But in actuality, the Chosen more often opt for begrudging tolerance and control of other Hungry Dead, rather than zealotry and crusading. It's a hard world out there, after all, with many worse monsters to bear.
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Citrakayah said:
I really want to see a ToC for this book, if the preview material has a screenshot.
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I'm not really up to date with rpg lingo so I don't know what ToC means. Unless it's legal stuff like terms and conditions or something like that then no luck since legal stuff is on the back of the book and the preview shows the first 38 pages or so (sans the title page).
 
Greeterlings everyone, I hopped in for some clarification on things cause by rapturous acclaim of my game group they want to give Mage 20 a shot, and despite being more familiar with Awakening they really wanna do Ascension, and as always I am the one running. So going through it and the *basic* crunch is more or less comprehensible, and the Magic rules I can grok after tilting my head a little bit for the most part, but the main thing that's making me go 'So what do you actually do?' is Rotes, what are they in an Ascension context? What are their mechanical uses? Are there any mechanical uses? Or at least the M20 context cause some superficial poking around tells me they were rather changed from the jump from prior editions to M20.
 
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Greeterlings everyone, I hopped in for some clarification on things cause by rapturous acclaim of my game group they want to give Mage 20 a shot, and despite being more familiar with Awakening they really wanna do Ascension, and as always I am the one running. So going through it and the *basic* crunch is more or less comprehensible, and the Magic rules I can grok after tilting my head a little bit for the most part, but the main thing that's making me go 'So what do you actually do?' is Rotes, what are they in an Ascension context? What are their mechanical uses? Are there any mechanical uses? Or at least the M20 context cause some superficial poking around tells me they were rather changed from the jump from prior editions to M20.
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Mechanically, rotes don't do anything. My group has some benefits for them, but that's homebrew. However, they do give you a reference list of things you can do that you've already talked about with the GM, which is useful because in my experience you need to adjudicate things a lot in mage--establish how many base successes something requires, establish what spheres are needed at what ratings, et cetera. With rotes you can skip that and just roll.
 
I finally was able to play Bloodlines and while it's a akward but fun game the racist elements are yuck.

The whole Ku-jin and Chinatown area is filled with yellow peril and orientalist stereotypes. With Ming Xiao being a stereotype of the seductive and cunning "dragon lady" here to ruin white Kindred society. It even has (spoilers for a twenty year game) Lacroix discovered to have been working with the Kuei-Jin

With the weak leader working with them.

The Chinatown part was rushed as shit and uncompleted. But we never meet a friendly Ku-jin that's dislikes Ming Xio like the Anarchs dislike Lacroix or is willing to coexist with Cainites.

While still racist I think having a ally Kuei-jin who does not want the Cainites and Kuei-jin society to fight and allies with a nicer player would be good
 
Konradleijon said:
While still racist I think having a ally Kuei-jin who does not want the Cainites and Kuei-jin society to fight and allies with a nicer player would be good
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Actually I remember the clan quest mod actually having a Kuei-jin companion called Kalliyan and well here's what she has to say about Ming Xio.

If an elder... that's Ming Xiao, proves to be a corrupt bitch, which she has, then basically I don't have to do what she says anymore! In this case, it's this under the table deal she's been cutting with the enemy: that's you. If she can play politics with the westerners, then surely I can afford a night of dancing with your kind!
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GAWR said:
Actually I remember the clan quest mod actually having a Kuei-jin companion called Kalliyan and well here's what she has to say about Ming Xio.
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Good thing the mods help to fix issues with Bloodlines.

It seems that Bloodlines fans do not like if you criticize the game for its issues.

Like how you as a male character can't seduce other men.
 
I can't say I got into requiem but none more dark publishing is dropping previews of their Carthians book on rpg.net for those who are.

💡 I Made This! - [Vampire: The Requiem] Fire & Revolution: Carthians preview/Q&A | Tabletop Roleplaying Open

Hello again! Time to break out the Little Red Book once more. Some of you who follow the doings of None More Dark Publishing might know that we have a covenant book for Vampire: The Requiem Second Edition in the works: Fire & Revolution: Carthians. Well, I’m here to tell you it’s coming next...
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Honestly, the more I reread CofD - and recently D&D 3.5e - the more I appreciate how well-written and well-designed Deviant: the Renegades is. Which it should be given the devs had like ten gamelines and nearly twenty years of writing for CofD alone, but it really does have solid themes and none of the systems are overly complicated.

Also god I'm still salty about how poorly edited and written some of the late 2e products were. Whoever formatted the Haunt system in GtSe 2e needs to be waterboarded in the Ocean of Fragments.

GAWR said:
So I just found a amusing video on youtubes that shows that the venn diregrams between WoD and Pm fans are actually a circle:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iAh1KhD_p4
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Abnormalities are basically spirits (in the WoD sense) or Goetia (in the CofD sense), and recent… developments show that the Bloodfiends are heavily inspired by VtM, so that checks out.
 
danielxcutter said:
Abnormalities are basically spirits (in the WoD sense) or Goetia (in the CofD sense), and recent… developments show that the Bloodfiends are heavily inspired by VtM, so that checks out.
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Yeah and lobotomy copration is basically a wyld aligned Pentex. Like the extraction department is basically mass-producing Wyld equivalent of Famori and have some unfortunate agents poke at and risking horrible death for that sweet Enkephalin.

And of course, the goal of the whole point of the Seed of Light plan is to cure the "Dease of the Mind" that implicitly make the City's citizens content with they crappy situation, bringing a bit of dynamism to the static world of the city.
 
Man I truly wish someone would expore the world before the wonder work more
 
So reading through the pre-layout preview copy of WtE I've noticed that the relationship between the two factions split into (the eastern and western Concordat) are much more civil relation ship than frankly any other such relationship across the WOD gamelines. Due to the fact that both faction actually try to conduct diplomacy before killing each other.

Like despite the fact that the glass walkers left the eastern concordat due to ideological differences. They still at least try to play the mediator between two factions despite the some bad blood with at eastcon.

Eastcons happily use the information and power they
wield to hold space for humans, especially those who could
deeply impact the world around them. This faction urges a
stronger and more thorough integration of Kinfolk into
Garou society as warriors, healers, and visionaries, much like
the Dawn Tribes. They do not want to hide their Kinfolk
away, keeping them from the world with the excuse of
protecting them. Instead, Eastern Concordat members wish
to teach and prepare their Kinfolk, giving them knowledge
and tools to take a more active role in the world in which
they live, embracing the ways and guidance of the
Hearthbound to integrate kin into their societies. Through
their kin, the Eastern Concordat actively seeks influence in
the mortal halls of power, leveraging humanity itself to
benefit Gaia and all her children.
Eastcons believe that keeping up with the modern era is
of import. Stagnation is another form of corruption, and by
refusing to change with the world around them, the Garou
have let this corruption take root and fester. Only by
learning and growing can they embody the balance they seek
to forge anew in the Triat.
Initially strongly supported by the Glass Walkers,
Cockroach's children shifted alliances to the Western
Concordat, both in opposition to the Eastcons' willingness to
work with the Hearthbound, and to shift the Overton
Window away from the Red Talons, who they believed
were close to pushing the Westcons to violent extremism. Of
the Westcon tribes, the Glass Walkers still maintain the best
relations with this faction, often bridging the communication
gap.
Eastcons believe that the entropic aspect of the Triat
must exist to allow for healthy ends within the Gaian Realm
and the Umbra. The Weaver's webs have driven the Wyrm
mad with pain, changing his nature to corruption and decay.
This taint prevents the Wyld from recycling what remains
into new creations for the Weaver to form and fashion
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Relvent section bolded.

So what you're reaction to such a reationship between factions in a WoD game?
 
So Relentless age author's next project In the Realm of Gods and Dreams just came out on Story tellers vault now.

The gates of heaven are closed

Only this world remains



A world of fairies and demons

Of dark shadows and neon lights

A land of endless dreams –

And endless nightmares



We are creatures of myth

We are children of magic



Bound in human form

In life after fragile life

We weave enchantments and unleash miracles

To remind the world of the gods



In this age of darkness and despair

Our legend begins now



Come – The curtain is rising

On a once-in-a-millennium tale



Risk everything, embrace your destiny

The earthly pageant awaits




In the Realm of Gods and Dreams is:



Asian-Style Urban Fantasy - Become one of the Little Gods: the fairies, immortals, and divine misfits who take human form and live secret lives in the modern world. Protect the mortals you love and answer their prayers to heaven as you face the dangers of the Age of Sorrows: elegant and wrathful Half-Devils, cunning Hungry Dead, the god-eating Harvesters, and more.



A Reincarnation of Changeling: the Dreaming - Inspired by the original Storytelling Game of Modern Fantasy, this book contains an all-new setting and systems to tell your stories of the fae around the world: a wealth of character options, the potent and flexible magic of the Arts, example characters, and story hooks from all across East, South, and Southeast Asia.



Ready to Play - Just Add a Core Book - While In the Realm of Gods and Dreams is recommended for use with Changeling: the Dreaming 20th Anniversary Edition, this book has been designed so you can be ready to play using any other core books in the World of Darkness series (20th Anniversary/4th Edition, Revised/3rd Edition, or 2nd Edition):

  • Vampire: the Masquerade
  • Werewolf: the Apocalypse
  • Mage: the Ascension
  • Wraith: the Oblivion
  • Hunter: the Reckoning
  • Demon: the Fallen
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