Has WoD ever played with the concept of visitors and/or refugees from alternate Earths?
I think that when this comes up in the etherite and ve books they say that nothing comes over without someone going from the original ... I think the term that's used is Everett Volume and bringing it back.
On the other hand I seem to remember the nephandi using alternate earths to pull out other armies in ww2, but I might also be thinking of backstory in panopticon quest.
 
Could you elaborate, if at all possible? That sounds quite interesting.
The "World of Dark Fantasy" in Mirrors, and one of the Cheiron Group's "Thaumatechnology" implants.

The former is a "Shard" Alternate Setting about how the Abyss is actually the "Scarwall", scar tissue built up around the "wound" in reality where the two(at least) parts of it were torn apart. On this side is the normal Chronicles of Darkness setting, but on the other side of the Scarwall is a Fantasy setting.

The latter Is an implant that is supposed to allow the "user" to see any portals/gateways into other worlds, like an opening into the Hedge, but I don't remember specifically which implant it was.
I think it was the Optic Thorn, but I'm not sure. I do remember that it wasn't in the main Hunter book.
 
I mean, the origin of the phrase "New World Order" is a lot older than any specific Anti-Semitic conspiracy (really, more of a cluster of conspiracy theories in many ways), but all the Conventions are inspired directly by right-wing conspiracy theories about leftists.

The Seers are great villains. If you go in, expecting the Technocrats, you're going to be disappointed, which is why you should read them on their own merits.

These two posts are secretly related

The Technocracy is, very specifically, a very 90s-00s thing. They're a creation of the End of History, the statement of fundamental and unchallengeable western primacy. This is why although they may well be diverse that diversity is specifically limited - the Technocracy is a product of a time and a world which feels very historical nowadays. Ironically, they embody both Francis Fukuyama's End of History and Francis Fukuyama's fear of transhumanism, and in fact they combine the two in a weird way - the End of History is fundamentally transhumanist, suggesting that we've abandoned the silly superstitions and divisions that might be what makes us human and we've lost something from it. But to put it simply, the Technocracy seeks power to do something with it.

The Seers on the other hand are... not Technocrats. They are much less of a utopian project, and they basically seek power for the sake of power, even if they have plenty of coherent and valid justifications for why they're seeking said power. They're a very different force who primarily status-quo actors in a way the Technocracy never was - their goal is basically to win their own internal struggles and keep the current status quo rolling, versus the utopian dreaming of the Technocracy. Exarchs seek power to continue to retain their own power.
 
And of course, villains can and do only exist in conflict and contrast to the protagonist's factions... and in Mage the Awakening, the Protagonists are generally from Orders which are some scale of visionary and some scale of Utopian, some form of dreaming of a better tomorrow... or at least preserving what they can of that Much Better Tomorrow as it fades away (Mysterium). Even the Guardians beneath their cynical exterior are True Believers in something, and even if you think the Free Council is dumb and lazy, they're pretty clearly believing in something new (ditto the Silver Ladder.) The closest ones to me not having a grip on their vision of the future are the Arrows, honestly.

But the Traditions are famously incredibly 90s, mildly racist, and don't much make any sense or have anything like a coherent counterstatement to the Technocracy.

Meanwhile...

The Seers and the Exarchs say, "This is it, misery and poverty are the way of life, hunger and predation and Doomed uprisings and slaughter are all there is. Best cut a deal with the Machines, I mean Exarchs, and live a cushy life of power and privilege, because this is what the world is, will be, and must be because it is what the True Gods Of The Universe declare. Time to stop dreaming sweetie and accept that this is Realism."

The Pentacle says, "No, and fuck you." And even if they haven't won, even if they're losing, even if some of their visions are highly debatable... they're still in the game.
 
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Has WoD ever played with the concept of visitors and/or refugees from alternate Earths?
There are Mirror Worlds (alternate timelines) that can be reached through the Deep Umbra, and (if you include the nWoD fan expansion Genius: The Transgression) Bardos, which are reality bubbles caused by disproven scientific concepts, like Mars being habitable or Communism working.
 
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Contrasting the world of luxurious gay communism against the horror that is our world the world of darkness does sort of work if we use our world the world of darkness as the twisted evil reflection of their much kinder reality.
If people were like they wanted people to be, communism would work :)
 
If capitalism didn't strangle communism every time people tried to make it work, it might have worked.
True, the Cold War did not help. But you also still have the internal problems of

political purges (which tend select for people who try to solve problems with more purges, and are extremely paranoid about anybody else even getting close to positions of political power - and those who follow them unquestioningly),

rejection of the entire previous system, including the parts that worked (both the methods and the people who got wealthly making them work),
nepotism and the resulting mismanagement (which is also a problem in capitalism but usually self-corrects faster unless the rot has reached the top, because the nepotists cannot retaliate to the same degree with political accusations),

both made worse by centralization (which requires better administrators, which the two previous points work against),
the resulting theft, smuggling and backroom deals just to get by, resulting in organized crime (that sometimes gets co-opted by the state),
starvation if even that does not work (still because of the above reasons),

the social demotivation as a result of constant political purges (everyone could be a snitch, even family - and if one snitch reports you, all that didn't report you (including family) also become suspects - so the winning move is to not trust anybody, have dirt on everybody (or at least a plausible enough false accusation - the police usually has quotas of how many political dissidents they need to catch, and if they catch fewer they become suspects)

and the economic demotivation (you do not get paid more for working more, and even risk political accusations from your superiors and collegues for making them look bad in comparison, not much of an increase in pay in higher-qualified jobs (add to that the focus on politics and rejection of the previous system having an impact on who even gets to study), and often there is not much you could even buy with the money)
 
The Seers on the other hand are... not Technocrats. They are much less of a utopian project, and they basically seek power for the sake of power, even if they have plenty of coherent and valid justifications for why they're seeking said power. They're a very different force who primarily status-quo actors in a way the Technocracy never was - their goal is basically to win their own internal struggles and keep the current status quo rolling, versus the utopian dreaming of the Technocracy. Exarchs seek power to continue to retain their own power.


Well....kinda? the way some source talks about it the Tecnocracy are big honcho and they now decide what is and isnt consensus, they are reach full global domination and at times they do truely look invincible, If I remember well the greyness of heir moral come later.

I guess that is something people like of awaking, the Tecnocracy try to do something better even if they step on everyone else face doing so while the mage rightfully point out what they do try to pretend they didnt do the same does have some charm in the idea.
 
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