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It's Magnus the Red only the Order of Hermes can handle his arrogance.

I'm interested in how Bruvah deals with the Trinity considering how the chaos gods are portrayed.
 
I'm currently fishing for ideas about how to get Wan Kuei involved with Kindred in a way that's a bit less.....yellow peril than the Great Leap Outwards.

Like, I'm not opposed to conflict between them but something a little less "invading army" would be nice.

Thus far my general ideas have been;

A) A sort of embassy between probably the Camarilla and the Quincunx.

B) A large-ish group of young and ambitious Wan Kuei getting shuffled to San Francisco in an attempt to get them out of their elder's hair/kill them indirectly rather than doing so outright.

C) Going off of the idea that Wan Kuei do rise up in other parts of the world than just Asia but tend to get mistaken for a Wight and eliminated by something or other or if they do manage to regain their mental capacity get labeled as Caitiff(on both a meta-level and an in universe level), Clan Tremere starts collecting suspected Wan Kuei/Wights and start messing around to see if they replicate the Dharma Paths that Wan Kuei use and/or try to create a ritual to see if they can't make them on command rather than waiting for a Wan Kuei to come about naturally. Why? A combination of "Why not?" and a need/desire for servitors since clearly Gargoyles worked out so well for them.


Anyone else got any ideas?
 
Konradleijon said:
Big E is totally a Technocrat maybe a member of intration X?

Considering his love of human potential. I really hope they mention the magic gnosis dolphins that exist in WOD lore.
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Big E, yeah, but Big-D talking about being the master of your reality and whipping it into submission with your giant, powerful arms sounds, uh, maybe not all that Technocrat, at least not Iteration X?
 
Mark Jermaburger said:
Was it ever confirmed as to whether to whole 'Humans-evolved-to-ignore-the-supernatural' theory for CofD was true or not?

Abt fucking time, KotE was so damn cringe to read
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As with almost everything in CofD, the answer is 'depends, do you want it to be?', as the entire point of CofD is that you build your own setting absent the metaplot tumours that plagued oWoD. There are vague outlines mostly given through splats and enemies, but that's pretty much it.
 
Nervaqus987 said:
I'm currently fishing for ideas about how to get Wan Kuei involved with Kindred in a way that's a bit less.....yellow peril than the Great Leap Outwards.

Like, I'm not opposed to conflict between them but something a little less "invading army" would be nice.

Thus far my general ideas have been;

A) A sort of embassy between probably the Camarilla and the Quincunx.

B) A large-ish group of young and ambitious Wan Kuei getting shuffled to San Francisco in an attempt to get them out of their elder's hair/kill them indirectly rather than doing so outright.

C) Going off of the idea that Wan Kuei do rise up in other parts of the world than just Asia but tend to get mistaken for a Wight and eliminated by something or other or if they do manage to regain their mental capacity get labeled as Caitiff(on both a meta-level and an in universe level), Clan Tremere starts collecting suspected Wan Kuei/Wights and start messing around to see if they replicate the Dharma Paths that Wan Kuei use and/or try to create a ritual to see if they can't make them on command rather than waiting for a Wan Kuei to come about naturally. Why? A combination of "Why not?" and a need/desire for servitors since clearly Gargoyles worked out so well for them.


Anyone else got any ideas?
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I always just invoked Rule Zero and flat out declared that Wan Kuei don't exist in my own personal World of Darkness setting and that regular Cainite Kindred are the norm in East Asia but the Camarilla and Sabbat have no sway over there and neither do the Anarchs.

The Kuei-Jin courts are instead just regionalized vampire sects.

If you're not strictly devoted to metaplot and canon and willing to throw parts of it out as needed for your game, this could be a very good approach to the whole mess that is KOTE.
 
Paulie Romanov said:
I always just invoked Rule Zero and flat out declared that Wan Kuei don't exist in my own personal World of Darkness setting and that regular Cainite Kindred are the norm in East Asia but the Camarilla and Sabbat have no sway over there and neither do the Anarchs.

The Kuei-Jin courts are instead just regionalized vampire sects.

If you're not strictly devoted to metaplot and canon and willing to throw parts of it out as needed for your game, this could be a very good approach to the whole mess that is KOTE.
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Kindred of the East is cringe alongside most of the asian supplements, the Wraith one is decent do.
 
Konradleijon said:
i think it is implied in some lore that it is the work of the Exarchs who are the concept of tyranny keep humans feeling weak and ignorannt.

that or the God-Machine. and it took someone pointing it out to me that GM is the same initials as Game Master
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I never really liked the Exarchs.
In fact, I don't like the mage(awakening) lore in general. I lt feels like mages know 'too much' abt their world, if that makes sense
 
Paulie Romanov said:
I always just invoked Rule Zero and flat out declared that Wan Kuei don't exist in my own personal World of Darkness setting and that regular Cainite Kindred are the norm in East Asia but the Camarilla and Sabbat have no sway over there and neither do the Anarchs.

The Kuei-Jin courts are instead just regionalized vampire sects.

If you're not strictly devoted to metaplot and canon and willing to throw parts of it out as needed for your game, this could be a very good approach to the whole mess that is KOTE.
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Kyuuketsuki: The Fading Sun - White Wolf | Storytellers Vault is a very good take on that :)
 
I've been thinking about oMage a bit today, and one thing that came to mind was the Technocracy's tendency to regularly rebrand itself. What with it being over a century since the last time, it seems like they're due for a new round.

So! What would your pitches be for rebranding the various Conventions of the Technocratic Union, and maybe even the entire Union? Keep in mind that this is a change in branding, and everything should fundamentally stay the same (unless you have a compelling pitch for and why they've changed)
 
notanautomaton said:
I've been thinking about oMage a bit today, and one thing that came to mind was the Technocracy's tendency to regularly rebrand itself. What with it being over a century since the last time, it seems like they're due for a new round.

So! What would your pitches be for rebranding the various Conventions of the Technocratic Union, and maybe even the entire Union? Keep in mind that this is a change in branding, and everything should fundamentally stay the same (unless you have a compelling pitch for and why they've changed)
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New World Order = Men in Black. " Will Smith made them cool, might as well use it".
Syndicate = The Effin Accountants - "Do not F with the F'in accountants."
Progenitors = The Biomasters -"We don't play god. God plays us."
Void Engineers = The Spacemen. "We're men (in the universal non-gendered sense), we work in space."
Itteration X = !!!!! - No verbal pronunciation, communicating the name to people without cybernetic implants that can recieve text is done by throwing one's hands into the air in a gesture of excitement.

The Technocratic Union = The Getshitdone Alliance. "We Get Shit Done."
 
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Mark Jermaburger said:
I never really liked the Exarchs.
In fact, I don't like the mage(awakening) lore in general. I lt feels like mages know 'too much' abt their world, if that makes sense
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It really...does not make sense at all.

Especially in 2E. They start off with a myth - but their whole point is they want to understand what doesn't make sense and to change their theory to suit the evidence. This is roughly like disliking scientists because they've discovered how the ideal gas law works, when ideal gas is explicitly "not quite real."

The Exarchs are ultimately secondary to the Seers, too - they're the gods invoked as an excuse to oppress. That they exist in some abstract fashion doesn't actually change much.

Related: The theory that CofD humans evolved to ignore the supernatural was buried in a shallow grave around God-Machine Chronicle. They notice - but it's terrifying, so they maintain the seemingly safe status quo by pretending they don't, until they can't (hence, the Masquerade, because it lets people have their fictions instead of reaching for the stakes). I can cite plenty of evidence that shows that this is a realistic enough behavior. Hunters are defined as people who have decided they can't go back, and that level of emotional realization is similar to military training; they're the same person, but one that is alien to civilian society. Hence the Code, because they don't have "a normal life" to use as a rock anymore, they're the people who gave up on that being the end goal.
 
hyzmarca said:
New World Order = Men in Black. " Will Smith made them cool, might as well use it".
Syndicate = The Effin Accountants - "Do not F with the F'in accountants."
Progenitors = The Biomasters -"We don't play god. God plays us."
Void Engineers = The Spacemen. "We're men (in the universal non-gendered sense), we work in space."
Itteration X = !!!!! - No verbal pronunciation, communicating the name to people without cybernetic implants that can recieve text is done by throwing one's hands into the air in a gesture of excitement.

The Technocratic Union = The Getshitdone Alliance. "We Get Shit Done."
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i think changing the name of the New World Order would be for the best as it's currently named directly after a Anti-semitic conspiracy theory that has rocketed into prominence because of Qanon the weird conspiracy theory that worships Donald Trump and tried to stage a coup of the capital.
Mark Jermaburger said:
I never really liked the Exarchs.
In fact, I don't like the mage(awakening) lore in general. I lt feels like mages know 'too much' abt their world, if that makes sense
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i agree I much prefer the God-Machine instead of the Exarchs as mysterious oppressive force.
 
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I mean, the origin of the phrase "New World Order" is a lot older than any specific Anti-Semitic conspiracy (really, more of a cluster of conspiracy theories in many ways), but all the Conventions are inspired directly by right-wing conspiracy theories about leftists.
 
Chehrazad said:
I mean, the origin of the phrase "New World Order" is a lot older than any specific Anti-Semitic conspiracy (really, more of a cluster of conspiracy theories in many ways), but all the Conventions are inspired directly by right-wing conspiracy theories about leftists.
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I guess so?. but most conspiracy theories are antisemtic especially the father you get in where "the lizard men are the Jews" and shit. the NWO mage also controls the media which is a cornerstone of antisemtism.

that Jews control the media.
 
Chehrazad said:
I mean, the origin of the phrase "New World Order" is a lot older than any specific Anti-Semitic conspiracy (really, more of a cluster of conspiracy theories in many ways), but all the Conventions are inspired directly by right-wing conspiracy theories about leftists.
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~eh~ not leftist specifically. The New World Order, Iteration X, the Progenitors and Syndicate are Big Governmnet, Big Tech, Big Pharma and Big Money respectivly. All of which get attacked from both the right and the left. They are based on conspiricy theories, and therefore has anti-semitic undetones (some accidental and some on purpose, lots of bad writers at WW over the years), but not all specifically aimed at "the left".
 
Lupercal said:
~eh~ not leftist specifically. The New World Order, Iteration X, the Progenitors and Syndicate are Big Governmnet, Big Tech, Big Pharma and Big Money respectivly. All of which get attacked from both the right and the left. They are based on conspiricy theories, and therefore has anti-semitic undetones (some accidental and some on purpose, lots of bad writers at WW over the years), but not all specifically aimed at "the left".
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every conspiracy theory has antisemtic undertones when you get down to it.

and Big Tech, Big Pharma, Big Government, and Big Money get hated by both sides for different reasons.

and since Werewolf: the Apocalypse 5ed is getting rid of "Métis" Spiritual deformed incest babies that are looked down upon in Garou society which varies from the way black people are treated in Jim Crow South, to the way Asians are treated in LA today.

it shares its name with a actual ethnic group of mixed white/indigenous people. and the way Metis get mechanical penalties uncomfortably justifies discrimination
 
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