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Controversial gaming opinion: video games are good.
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Reveen
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If you don't stand on the hill reactionaries will use it as a platform to browbeat writers and developers to discourage inclusion. They'll inevitably move from no POC in Bohemia, to no POC in Italy, to no POC in Egypt.
There's no such thing as too far in the other direction. The only effective way to deal with reactionaries is to be as much of a pain in the ass as possible at every single opportunity.
If you want a fantasy game with verisimilitude that isn't aesthetically boring as fuck, Witcher 3 exists. There you go.
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the atom
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Right, but from what I understand the social justice community moved in on the game first, and the guy turned out to be a toad after. It just strikes me as a weird target.
I guess I consider historical revisionism to be too far in the other direction but maybe that's just me?
I haven't really played it but it doesn't really seem have a ton of verisimilitude to me.
Reveen
Castro-Trudeauist
The "No darkies or warrior women === REALISM!" argument is something that was in play long long before this. The ideological underpinnings in this game weren't hard to predict.
The history is revisionist either way, because there's no real tangible historical record that tells us exactly how the period was like or what the ethnic makeup was like. But with the white supremecist fantasy revisionism you're erasing POC from the setting entirely when at the very least there was a presence.
If Witcher 3 doesn't have verisimilitude then KC
has even less. Because the former cares more about characterizing it's own world over attempting some simulation of a hypothetical real world.
the atom
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Are you going to seriously argue that there was a meaningful Caucasian population in medieval Joseon?
Reveen
Castro-Trudeauist
1. Lol that's fucking random.
2. Do you see anyone arguing that the presence of white people in medieval Joseon is literally impossible with strong undertones of wishful thinking?
KingseekerFreyr
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You guys still on this? Okay.
Thread Tax: Kingdom Hearts needs more of a balance between Disney and Final Fantasy. Oh and tone down the amount of original characters that get introduced every title plz.
Also less creator favoritism please.
*glares at the casts of FFVII, FFVIII and TWEWY*
Thread Tax: Kingdom Hearts needs more of a balance between Disney and Final Fantasy. Oh and tone down the amount of original characters that get introduced every title plz.
Also less creator favoritism please.
*glares at the casts of FFVII, FFVIII and TWEWY*
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the atom
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Unless you think depictions of an all-Korean cast in fiction involving medieval Korea is revisionist it really isn't.
My point is that while there weren't any racial census data or anything like that, we know that people didn't really get around in general which considerably limits the scope of how much cultural cross pollination was going on outside of a few traders and travelers. With this in mind not depicting African traders in a land locked region thousands of kilometers away from Mali or the Sudan is hardly erasure or revisionism in of itself.
No, but that's not really what I'm talking about at this point.
Reveen
Castro-Trudeauist
Do we? Do we know this for certain as historical record, or is this just a load of assumptions? Because a lot of historical records point to the opposite conclusion of central europe being well connected and well travelled.
Are you sure?
the atom
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The fact that the overwhelming majority of people lived their whole lives within a few kilometers of where they were born is fairly uncontroversial. Genetic evidence also indicates that populations remain surprisingly static even in extremely well traveled 'crossroads' like the Levant and Egypt.
As much as not showing white people in a depiction of medieval South East Asia is yes.
The_Reptile_
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I'm actually gonna make a counterpoint to this:
I feel it is apparent that, in hindsight, marketing KH as a FF/Disney crossover was a big mistake, since even in the original KH the Final Fantasy element outside of general design of the OCs was minimal and it became clear that it was mostly a Disney Fanboy project. Then the game turned out to be huge and they were like 'Oh shit, we actually gotta make something out of this' and thus we have all the new OCs. If Square had any idea Kingdom Hearts would end up as huge as it did I have no doubt they'd have excised the Final Fantasy element entirely to focus on the Disny/OC stuff.
Morphic Tide
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Yes there is, because then you have those "Jesus was Black" assholes in charge of the canon. He was a fucking Jew, in the Middle East, both demographics have extremely few black people. A light-brown-skinned Jesus makes vastly more sense, because he'd at least likely be tanned. Also, at the extreme of this philosophy exists psychotic racists, such as a university professor stating that she fundamentally refuses to have children because doing so will spread the inherent evil of white people. I wish I was making this up.
"Social justice" in the West is a cancer at this point. They're burning vast amounts of wealth and lives (all those "gender studies" majors and other social justice courses are wasted tuitions and people who've effectively sacrificed their lives to politics, and other fields are increasingly corrupted into toxicity by it. STEM remains largely impenetrable because women don't feel like going into the field) to accomplish nothing of significance to their goals because it's de jure in many Western countries that the discrimination they're trying to get rid of is a jailable offense.
In other words, their goal of removing systemic oppression is already done in the places they try hardest because it's already illegal to descriminate based on sex, religion and race throughout much of Europe and in the US. Hell, the US has these things in the Constitution as a ban on making laws that descriminate based on those things. Seriously, the US has, like, four separate laws banning wage descrimination based on sex at this point (though the wording itself is banning it based on gender because we have separate words for man and male, the intent is about the surface level dimorphism).
Reveen
Castro-Trudeauist
Nope. Jesus was black. If he wasn't black he wouldn't be Jesus.
Lol, okay. It's not like the far right is in psychotic resurgence at this point.
It's not illegal therefore it doesn't happen. I guess black people constantly getting shot by cops is either not a problem or deserved justice.
No it doesn't. Neither the constitution nor the bill of rights protect race and gender in any specific way aside from the broad strokes of "being allowed to vote" and "not being allowed to be enslaved" if you think those are sufficient then you have problems.
Do you see my point @the atom ? You give an inch, they GIMME GIMME GIMME
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ZerbanDaGreat
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And he's already been tagged by the mods so now's the time to ease up.
Thread tax: Persona 5's story is incredibly uneven, with an oddly severe tonal shift post-Madarame, and every character is introduced with far more depth than they ever display in subsequent scenes because the game seems to visibly shit its pants trying to think of what to do with all these characters when theoretically every piece of development is determinate depending on your social link progress.
So you'll have shit like Ryuji being the heavily abused pre-condemned 'deliquent' character becoming a carbon copy of the generic Junpei and Yosuke 'male best friend' character and being the comedic punching bag for all his friends (and then the one time he hits back with the softest of softballs Morgana goes and pitches a bitch-fit fuck you kittycat you're an asshole), Ann the sexually abused 'exotic' high school student winding up in wacky ecchi shenanigans as her own teammates force her to (offer to) pose naked for some guy she doesn't know, Yusuke goes from an abused and exploited artist to... nothing because he doesn't have a personality once Madarame's dealt with, the list goes on.
And fuck don't even get me started on the gaping wounds where more of a point to Akechi was meant to be.
Also everything about Shido is one of the weakest villains the series has ever had.
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To amend the record: It's been a few years so I'm foggy on the details, but Vavra was involved in the early stages of Gamergate, possibly even back when it was called #burgersandfries. So, SJ communities have definitely had a long history with him before KC : D.
I am so waiting for when Disney tries to insert the Star Wars universe somewhere. If that happens, we'll probably get the aesthetic of the PotC world again.
I want to see the resulting world that occurs when keyblades and lightsabers meet.
KingseekerFreyr
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Persona 5 is the worst in the series.
Still better then Mass Effect Andromeda.
Playing both games back to back, I really found that the team of super soldiers were less confident then the actual team of normal teenagers.
Still better then Mass Effect Andromeda.
Playing both games back to back, I really found that the team of super soldiers were less confident then the actual team of normal teenagers.
Morphic Tide
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Systemic racism and sexism in the West, where the absurdly vast majority of the movements and protests and campaigns over it, is gone. Discrimination is there, but what's left is something that most of the countries involved are legally unable to do anything about because they follow these things called "human rights", so the required actions, which are nothing less that forced indoctrination of everyone in public schooling and banning private schools (this one is apparently guarded under the US constitution thanks to Supreme Court rulings), can't be done. Because they have international laws in the way of doing that.
The progressives/"social justice" crowd are being utterly unproductive because they're focusing all their energies on the area with the least problems through minimally productive means. Their actual targets should be Africa and the Middle East (also Japan). But they instead focus on the areas least in need of such work.
It's already illegal, therefor legal processes can't do anything more about it and every progressive campaigning for legal backing has no valid point. They need to calmly shut up, step aside, and lie waiting for actual racist assholes to excersice their right to free speech to expose said assholes. By deplatforming them, they fester and organize out of sight, resulting in some rather harsh shitshows (did you know a vital part to the Nazi's rise to power was that the communists got violent first?)
KKK membership statistics please. Or any other actual far right group and not just "vocally opposes progressives" people. Because from my point of view, in accordance with actual facts I have found, the far right is being vastly more peaceful and accepting than the progressive left. You don't see fascists marching in the street, but you do see Antifa smashing windows, burning buildings and generally being literal domestic terrorists, as their point with their riots is specifically to suppress fascists through fear. Or physically beating the shit out of them. And far-left/progressive (the two are not synonymous, but many liberals have a visceral hate for progressives) and very different beast from the progressive counterpart) rallies getting violent are far more common than any far right meetings of any sort.
It's the left marching in the street and breaking property while vehemently despising their nations and calling for the destruction of modern civilizations. The far right is, in fact, characterized by extreme nationalism. They love their country and think minorities are holding it back. And before you state that I'm just using fringe group examples, the far right IS the fringe groups. Literally by definition. So I'm comparing fringe to fringe. The far left is more numerous, more destructive, and calling for genuinely worse things. Also has a history of failing harder at being a functional state, because it tends to obsess over ideologically motivated means rather than ideologically motivated ends.
The far right has Hitler apologists, but no actual systemic power because, you know, the public still finds outright Nazis unpalatable. The left, not even particularly far left, has apologists for Stalin, Mao and all the other communist dictators, who've ended and ruined vastly more lives, and they own most of the media and are in charge of most of academia.
I hope this is just trolling, because I pointed out that it doesn't make demographic sense, or logical sense. A "black Jesus" would not have African American skin color, which is in the sensible limits given the area and surrounding demographics (albeit on the dark side). He'd be the skin color responsible for the birth of Blackface, where the people literally did have coal black skin in a decent number of cases.
9th amendment protects unennumerated rights, defined as reasonable inferences of existing constitutional rights, though the ban on slaves was universal. Things the Supreme Court have gotten on the books through this include the right to travel and the right to send children to private schools. Though I thought there was actually more proper prevention due to the shitshow of Reconstruction being where a decent number of amendments went through.
Better reacting to stuff that actually exists and looks to be a legitimate problem and bothering to pay attention to relative scale than flinging shit at people over barely noticeable offenses and getting violent over the continued existence of fringe groups. Because, you know, the far left are going after stuff that does not actually exist in a decent number of cases, and wildly overblow the scale of what does exist. Like saying systemic racism, racism as an actual official part of the system, still exists in the west as a Thing That Does Not Exist, because it doesn't owing to the work of the last two or three generations. Weirdly enough, it was actually the right doing much of it up until a little after the Civil Rights Movement.
No, seriously, what's the problem with being a reactionary? Is there some actual specific political meaning to it that makes it automatically bad? Nazis were a "reactionary" group to large chunks of Germany starving and bands of violent communists in the street, which is why they got into power to do such horrible things. And the Nazis actually got things done, unlike most counterparts on the Left who tend to collapse on their own. The economy was unfucked pretty much in record time and actually wound up solving a decent chunk of economic problems for other countries by paying off a decent chunk of the remaining WW1 debt. Yes, it got horrible for a lot of people very quickly once the communists were gone and the economy was fixed, which is why the Nazis were evil. Doesn't negate the fact that they were reacting to legitimate problems at the start.
*actually looks up meaning* Oh, so it's one of those weird cases where politics have taken a term and used it for only vaguely related things, seeing as how the Google definition is about opposing societal reform, but the root means the definition should be about actually reacting to things which the definition is only partially related to. I suppose that it was about perpetual reaction without ever thinking about consequences of your reaction to an incident or problem, which describes the more vocal parts of the left now weirdly well, but then as the political dynamics shifted, it wound up having to be redefined so that it could continue covering the same chunks of the political spectrum. The lack of usage outside political contexts then resulted in the death of the older meaning that I was thinking of initially, because that's what the grammar rules and precedent set by similar words suggests. The fact that the Spanish translation uses the root of "retrograde" somewhat supports this, though I don't know Spanish well enough to eyeball the etymology.
I'm not opposed to social liberation or progress, my problem with progressives is that they're going after the most socially liberated and progressed societies on earth instead of the backwards and oppressive ones. I'd honestly call myself a progressive if they actually did do something about non-Western oppression, but they don't. At least not on any significant scale.
With this, I stop. I only post the rant because I'm not having an hour (...nearly two?) of typing go to waste. I agree that this violates Rule 4, under off topic and being insufficiently concise (yes, that's weirdly part of the rule), as well as clearly ruining the experience for others even though I'm trying to stay civil (though the Hitler comparisons say otherwise, I can't come up with any other far-right examples of them getting into power on legitimate reasons instead of a violent coup of some sort (I'll note that I can't think of any such examples for the far left and the records don't show majority backing, owing to shoddy records), then doing horrible shit with their otherwise mostly well-managed power. I really need to actually keep track of sources so I can point at exactly where I get what I "know" for others to look into it.
As a "Thread Tax" so that the post isn't solely continuing an argument:
I wish there were more games balanced around the action economy and turn order to allow abnormal design decisions without compromising balance. For example, in Pokemon, they could make a support-focused Pokemon with Slow Start that encourages you to be extremely aggressive with the other Pokemon you have out because they start going before most other Pokemon in the game when Slow Start runs out, thus depriving post-attack healing to maximize odds of surviving another turn. This means you have a rather tanky Pokemon, actually usable as a wall, that ends up losing a major role given enough time. But it can't ever serve as a useful sweeper under the simple fact that it takes five turns to actually outspeed anything. Of course, stick it with a support/wall moveset Blissy or Eviolite Chancey and it ends up able to set off a time bomb of "can you survive?". Much like Regigias, in fact. Only less able to break literally everything should Slow Start go away.
As another example, characters who's physical and magical capabilities are one and the same, with their melee/physical combat statistics being what their magical abilities scale with. These are almost entirely absent in gaming, but would work as a way to solve the problem of more martial-inclined characters lacking in utility options over the magical ones. Instead of switching to thrown knives and bows, such "punch wizards" would fire beams and blasts of life force/fighting spirit when at range. And have decidedly-mystical abilities for the utility functions that forever fuck with attempts at game balance when utility takes effect. This problem is so bad that even World of Warcraft once suffered from casters having considerably better utility options, particularly Mages with their mobility and non-specialization-locked debuffs. The mobility they receive was nasty in early PvP, and Frost Mage's stunlock before DR was an absolute abomination when paired with it.
A related controversial opinion, I suppose, is that there just flat out shouldn't be a "mundane" option for a Regular Fighting Man in High Fantasy settings where utility functions are player accessable. This has been the bane of balancing D&D forever, and all 5e did was gut the combat power. They've actually lost almost no utility outside of three things getting axed as viable (minionmancy because you either don't get to chose or burn an unholy number of spellslots, diplomancy because now Charm Person somehow informs the target if it fails and the "turn into megabeast" mess from self-buffing was murdered by concentration), it's just that the utility is a bit overwhelmingly absurd. And the "quadratic" factors were removed by the death of Caster Level.
If you want to play some kind of martial character in a high fantasy setting with utility magic, then the martial needs their own utility functions. And if the utility magic includes flight, teleportation and invisibility, all in one trivial to assemble package, then the martial needs to abandon realism to keep up, and/or become a gadgeteer. And for fuck's sake, look into Western mythology bullshit! We have absurd stories of ridiculously powerful warriors, we don't need to rip off the East for our nonsense warriors!
Hykal94
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There's a thread for Kingdom Come if you really want to get into it.
As an actual German with years of study of the historical period in three different languages, the things you are saying are not only factually incorrect, but also terribly fucking offensive. You are straight-up unironically repeating no-shit NeoNazi historical revisionism and apologia used in NeoNazi leaflets today. And the fascist right is marching in the streets of the United States and of Europe today, not to mention that, respectively, they are threatening people with guns and burning down refugee homes -- and blinkered, ignorant bullshit like this encourages them.
You want to keep this short, so I'll do the same: you should feel ashamed of yourself.
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Morphic Tide
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Can you give citations for each point being factually incorrect? Because I have very little faith in higher education and rather like looking into corrections (now if only I could get myself to keep track of where I learn things...). I've seen the "Nazis got massive political power from unfucking the situation" thing in quite a few places, including people who make a point of providing citations and doing proper research.
ZerbanDaGreat
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I agree with this very controversial gaming opinion, and you are very brave as a gamer for stepping forward to share this opinion on gaming.
pssst, that means end the tangent