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Warhammer Fantasy: Honor is all, Chivalry is all (Bretonnia CK2)

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[X] It shall be passed to kin, to be administrated fairly until Rambert's return or death.
-[X] Rambert's wife, Agnes (Excellent Administrator, Opinion unknown)
 
Khepri14 said:
This. So this. He can't ever return home unless the Lady forgives him for this, he really repents, and he survives to find the Grail. "A few years of killing gribblies" my ass. There's more to it than just that and it can take anywhere from a couple years/decades to an entire lifetime to find the Grail or they never do and die in the process.
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Hence why I'm not for sending him on the Quest. I'd rather he have the chance to return, and not roam until death or the Grail.
 
[X] It shall be passed to kin, to be administrated fairly until Rambert's return or death.
-[X] Rambert's wife, Agnes (Excellent Administrator, Opinion unknown)
 
Night_stalker said:
Hence why I'm not for sending him on the Quest. I'd rather he have the chance to return, and not roam until death or the Grail.
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You voted to send him on The Quest, thats basically the Bretonnian Equivalent of the Nights Watch except you have a Super Slim chance of (10* years down the line if you've not died at that point and if all the stars align themselves perfectly and if the lady has decided that you're suitably worthy and if you managed to find the right lake) finishing your service and getting a powerup.
Its Pretty much a death sentence, If you wanted him to have a decent chance of survival you should have voted for the "Go Kill Orcs Till we say you're done" Option


(*Bretonnia - 1d4chan)
 
aceraptor said:
Your *still* not getting it Night_stalker. When a Bretonnian knight goes on the Quest he either succeeds or he dies. There's little if any middle ground.

He *cant* come back after a few years.
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Brettonnian equivalent of the Night's Watch when?

I really wish that taking the Quest wasn't just limited to knights, because if it weren't we could theoretically flood the countryside with mobs of random criminals that would go around killing gribblies until they died/found the Grail.

Of course, nothing would stop them from running off since they don't have a knight's honor, but still.
 
ThatsSoKraven said:
You voted to send him on The Quest, thats basically the Bretonnian Equivalent of the Nights Watch except you have a Super Slim chance of (10* years down the line if you've not died at that point and if all the stars align themselves perfectly and if the lady has decided that you're suitably worthy and if you managed to find the right lake) finishing your service and getting a powerup.
Its Pretty much a death sentence, If you wanted him to have a decent chance of survival you should have voted for the "Go Kill Orcs Till we say you're done" Option


(*Bretonnia - 1d4chan)
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Whoops.

On the upside, at least he has the best odds out of all the others to actually get the Grail.
 
...oops? oh well, i knew it was major just not that major. i was thinking of it alongside a more honour-focused massif venture, not the end of your life as you know it. makes wanting Phillip to end up as a pegasus riding Grail Knight a lot less interesting now... i STILL want a pegasus though. -g-
 
Xantalos said:
Brettonnian equivalent of the Night's Watch when?

I really wish that taking the Quest wasn't just limited to knights, because if it weren't we could theoretically flood the countryside with mobs of random criminals that would go around killing gribblies until they died/found the Grail.

Of course, nothing would stop them from running off since they don't have a knight's honor, but still.
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That and the Lady isn't one of the ruinous powers, she doesn't have the power to scatter dozens, if not hundreds of grails for people to find and empower those that find them, never mind the whole selection process that's there to make sure she doesn't have to do that anyway.
 
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Lore Interrupt: The Grail Quest
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    • I do believe I've mentioned it before, but just to be clear: every Quest is an intensely personal thing, to carve off the worst parts of a man and leave only his better angles. To be a Grail Knight is to be the Perfect Knight, the epitome of the honorable warrior.

    For some people, it finishes after a year-- though those are the people who A. have already essentially devoted their lives to the Lady and B. is usually in circumstances (Beastmen starting something, Chaos invasion, Imperials being Imperial) that more Grail Knights will be desperately needed. The shortest time it's ever taken was ~6 months, but that was way back during the Age Of 3 Emperors when the Imperials of Reikland decided it would be brilliant to prop themselves up by invading and sacking/conquering Bretonnia (It did not work).

    Others, though? Well...they will travel for twenty years, facing beasts and seeing sights no other person could. They will leave behind home and hearth and travel the globe; they will set foot in Norsca and Nehekara alike. Entire armies will have learned to fear their blades, and they will have a canvass of scars telling a story of battle stretching through decades and around the world. Their despair will have been cut out, their anger will have been broken, their sorrow lost-- all of that will have been left behind, and when finally, the Green Knight stood before them, their battles were the swiftest. The longest it ever took was ~40 years, when Mercadier De Bastonne slew the entire raiding force of Tyr Redbeard in Norsca itself and then fought the Green Knight, after losing an arm and a leg and with only the shattered remnants of his sword by the end of it.

    Then others die, far from home, alone, possibly frightened, likely miserable, and certainly in pain.
     
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    Voikirium said:
    The longest it ever took was ~40 years, when Mercadier De Bastonne slew the entire raiding force of Tyr Redbeard in Norsca itself and then fought the Green Knight, after losing an arm and a leg and with only the shattered remnants of his sword by the end of it.
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    So did he just spend the rest of his days sans an arm and a leg or did he get those back somehow?
     
    SwiftRosenthal said:
    In Imperial quests, it is.

    In Bretonnian quests, Reikland is glorious Bretonnian clay. It is our duty to become as Napoleon and get our army destroyed in a pointless invasion of Kislev and endless guerrilla warfare in Estalia.
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    Sadly Bretonnians aren't very hight on the gib clay scale in Warhammer. The Gospodar took all of Kislev. The Imperials took half of Kislev, the Border Princes, a future Bretonnian Dukedom and depending on lore, a new province in Albion and stuff in the Southlands. Estalia's and Tilea's internal wars of conquest need no mention.

    Bretonnia on the other hand..... Has some colonies overseas and managed to capture Marienburg for five years before being kicked out by the locals.
     
    barenhart said:
    ...oops? oh well, i knew it was major just not that major. i was thinking of it alongside a more honour-focused massif venture, not the end of your life as you know it. makes wanting Phillip to end up as a pegasus riding Grail Knight a lot less interesting now... i STILL want a pegasus though. -g-
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    *shrug* One quote about Grail Knights I like to pull out is one by KnightErrant:

    "What need has a Grail Knight for wealth? The Lady's favour is beyond price."
    "What need has a Grail Knight for feasts? The Lady's love sates all hungers."
    "What need has a Grail Knight for pleasures? The Lady's favour is a true knight's only desire."
    "What need has a Grail Knight for dominion? The Lady has made him a servant of the people in her name."
    "What need has a Grail Knight for pride? The Lady has humbled him to remind him that to serve is no insult."
    "What need has a Grail Knight for sloth? The Lady has laid a duty that is born upon his shoulders with a glad heart."
     
    Yeah. I'm hardly an expert on Bretonnian stuff, but If I had to take a guess, overflowing the body/soul with her Divine lore is involved in there somewhere.

    So, literally morphing a person in order to make him more in line with the God/perception of the God/Ideals of the God.
     
    barenhart said:
    ...oops? oh well, i knew it was major just not that major. i was thinking of it alongside a more honour-focused massif venture, not the end of your life as you know it. makes wanting Phillip to end up as a pegasus riding Grail Knight a lot less interesting now... i STILL want a pegasus though. -g-
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    The quest for the grail is different for everyone, though generally you receive a vision or something from the lady so you at least know you have chance. Or something, not exactly sure on the beginnings of a grail quest, just parts of the middle and the what you're expected to do at the end to prove your worth.

    And we'll get a pegasus when the time is right. Or something else, who knows.
     
    Here's a question I dunno if I've ever asked.

    Do we know how many Grail Knights are actually around? I'm pretty sure age doesn't affect them like it does normal folk.

    So like, what, a hundred? A thousand? If Bretonnia itself is under the threat of extinction, will we see a sudden reveal of some shimmering host of Grail Knights numbering something even higher from out of the mists?
     
    torroar said:
    Do we know how many Grail Knights are actually around? I'm pretty sure age doesn't affect them like it does normal folk.
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    Knights of the Grail mentions that age does affect them.

    Finding Gilles
    A legend has circulated among Grail Knights for centuries,
    saying that Gilles is gathering an army to aid him when he
    returns. Only knights with a record of glorious deeds can join
    the army, but those who do are restored to their full vigour
    and then placed in a magical sleep until they are needed. Grail
    Knights feeling the effects of old age often set out on a quest to
    find their first King and join him, and many need protection, as
    their days of glory are in the past, and aged limbs can no longer
    wield a lance with vigour.
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    On numbers, here's some stuff.
    Every Grail Chapel is supposed to be attended by a Grail
    Knight, who guards it, maintains it, and exemplifies the values
    of the Lady. In practice, many Grail Knights found Grail
    Chapels on the site where they themselves encounter the Lady,
    and thus there are far more Grail Chapels than Grail Knights.
    In addition, most Grail Knights spend their lives wandering
    the land and fighting evil or serving their lords. Only a few, the
    Hermit Knights, choose to spend their lives watching over a
    Grail Chapel

    Many Grail Chapels, however, are unattended and uncared for.
    These buildings may fall into ruin or be used as storage areas
    by peasants.
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    Grail Knights are the paragons of Bretonnian chivalry. They
    are rare, but as many tend to travel, most Bretonnians have
    seen one at least once.
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    So not enough to cover all Chapels, but enough that most people see one in person atleast once in their lifetime
     
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    Dutch said:
    Sadly Bretonnians aren't very hight on the gib clay scale in Warhammer. The Gospodar took all of Kislev. The Imperials took half of Kislev, the Border Princes, a future Bretonnian Dukedom and depending on lore, a new province in Albion and stuff in the Southlands. Estalia's and Tilea's internal wars of conquest need no mention.

    Bretonnia on the other hand..... Has some colonies overseas and managed to capture Marienburg for five years before being kicked out by the locals.
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    From a real-life historical perspective, we haven't truly played a French expy until we've gotten into multiple wars with virtually everyone else on the continent and won more than we lost.

    GW are British though, so it's understandable that they would gloss over that.
     
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    torroar said:
    Here's a question I dunno if I've ever asked.

    Do we know how many Grail Knights are actually around? I'm pretty sure age doesn't affect them like it does normal folk.

    So like, what, a hundred? A thousand? If Bretonnia itself is under the threat of extinction, will we see a sudden reveal of some shimmering host of Grail Knights numbering something even higher from out of the mists?
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    750-1000.

    If Bretonnia is ever under existential threat, the Army the Lady has formed and shaped in Her Court of Male Magic Users of the Kingdom will be unleashed, finally fulfilling their Duty. There's only a small number of them, but on the other hand they're all Grail Knights and wizards and trained by the Green Knight. So, you know, they kinda punch above their weight class.
     
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