Warcraft: Fallen Kingdoms (Old)

Voting closed, winning vote is Balance/Diplomatic Advisor.

Vote tally:
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[X] Defenders
[X] Paladin Trainer
No. of votes: 3
TheHappyVampire, HanEmpire, CreepyShutIn
[X] Crusaders
[X] Paladin Trainer
No. of votes: 2
Asmodemus, Archanist
[X] Balance
[X] Diplomatic Advisor
No. of votes: 14
jwolfe_beta, whydoesitmatter, DragonParadox, Yun, Reklaw, Kelenas, Spacegnom, Derek58, Restalaan, Silveraith, Beyogi, staplesdex2, drake_azathoth, Karuadin
[X] Balance
[X] Paladin Trainer
No. of votes: 6
HastyGaming, jgalue1, x2ero, KnightDisciple, Bigger9, Dxnatta
[X] Crusaders: Abbendis wants them sent to the Crusaders to bolster our offensive power.
[X] Paladin Trainer: Maxwell have showed interest in training new Paladins. Can train Paladins.
No. of votes: 1
veekie
[X] Crusaders
[X] Diplomatic Advisor
No. of votes: 1
Slavania
[x] crusaders
No. of votes: 1
Wirdo
[X] Defenders: Alexandros wants them in the Defenders to make sure we have a strong defensive line.
[X] Military Advisor: It never hurts to have more Military Advisors. +1 Military Action.
No. of votes: 1
Qeqre
[X] Defenders
[X] Diplomatic Advisor
No. of votes: 2
kanemi, kitsune9
 
Light´s Hope Chapels Integration - End
Interlude

Light´s Hope Chapels Integration - End

"We are in agreement then, the Footmen will be split up and an equal amount will be sent to each unit, the new soldiers will be issued new armor to signify their joining of the Scarlet Crusade. Maxwell on the other hand will be joining me in our diplomatic efforts."

You look over to Maxwell.

"I will inform you of your duties tomorrow, but for now the last documents need to be drawn up and signed, once that is done the Integration will be complete and we can celebrate our new comrades."

Reward: +150 Scarlet Defenders, +150 Scarlet Crusaders, +200 Scarlet Archers, +30 Scarlet Knights, +20 Scarlet Priests, +40 Scarlet Paladins, +1 Diplomatic Actions.

Maxwell Tyrosus <Diplomat>

Diplomacy: 18
Martial: 16
Stewardship: 12
Intrigue: 9
Learning: 11
Piety: 18

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Well... That won.

Should we try simultaneous Elven/Dwarven diplomacy now?

I mean, the traditional enmity is absent but air cavalry and magic support would both be useful right now...
 
Well... That won.

Should we try simultaneous Elven/Dwarven diplomacy now?

I mean, the traditional enmity is absent but air cavalry and magic support would both be useful right now...
Ideally, yeah. Both are geographically fairly close, which probably means the highest chance they'll be able to meaningfully support us somehow. And in case of the high elves, we might be able to convince them to outright join us.
 
We shouldn't forget Dalaran. Looking at the timeline it's still being rebuild, and it would be nice to build up a relation with them before they float away.
 
Ideally, yeah. Both are geographically fairly close, which probably means the highest chance they'll be able to meaningfully support us somehow. And in case of the high elves, we might be able to convince them to outright join us.

Well, subverting them before the horde get the blood elves would be great. So long we prove that we aren't another Garithos we should be fine.
 
Well, subverting them before the horde get the blood elves would be great. So long we prove that we aren't another Garithos we should be fine.
I was talking more about the High Elven refugees. But yeah; getting into contact with the Blood Elves would probably be good as well; if we take in the High Elves it probably will hurt relations a bit, but we might still be able to at least coordinate a little.
 
How much of an advantage will the Alliance have over the Horde if the Scarlet Crusade/KIngdom of Lordaeron and High/Blood elves join the Alliance, manage to convince the Wildhammer Dwarves and the remaining neutral Human kingdoms to also join early into the Alliance, and destroy the Forsaken?
 
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How much of an advantage will the Alliance have over the Horde if the Scarlet Crusade/KIngdom of Lordaeron and High/Blood elves join the Alliance, manage to convince the Wildhammer Dwarves and the remaining neutral Human kingdoms to also join early into the Alliance, and destroy the Forsaken?

Well, the horde won't have a staging point.

Which is good, avoids the whole conflict really.
 
Well, the horde won't have a staging point.

Which is good, avoids the whole conflict really.

None up North anyway. Unless they manage to convince a significant number of Trolls...

And that's If we even join the Alliance again. They have downsides as well as upsides.

Personally, I would enjoy a Northern Alliance, Southern Alliance, Old Horde, New Horde and Night Elves split. 5 sides basically(though getting rid of the Old Horde would be a Good Thing). If we merge into the Alliance and bring the Wildhammer and High Elves into it I fear we'd become the world's sole superpower. Which has a fairly high chance of leading to complacency(and/or change the quest into something Diplomacy/Intrigue oriented, which our faction isn't equipped for).
 
None up North anyway. Unless they manage to convince a significant number of Trolls...

And that's If we even join the Alliance again. They have downsides as well as upsides.

Personally, I would enjoy a Northern Alliance, Southern Alliance, Old Horde, New Horde and Night Elves split. 5 sides basically(though getting rid of the Old Horde would be a Good Thing). If we merge into the Alliance and bring the Wildhammer and High Elves into it I fear we'd become the world's sole superpower. Which has a fairly high chance of leading to complacency(and/or change the quest into something Diplomacy/Intrigue oriented, which our faction isn't equipped for).
We could help the Alliance's small wars against the small factions within the Eastern Kingdom like the Trolls, Gnolls, and others. Hell, we could help the Gnomes reclaim Gnomeregan.
 
I rather doubt we'll be a superpower anytime soon. Even without the tens/hundreds of thousands of undead, there's also the trolls, ogres, gnolls, syndicate, and various other issues to deal with. I rather doubt we'll "finish" with any of that for a long time.
Personally, I'd rather we form a sort of "let's actually work to clean existing shit up before starting new crap". Ie, stay out of Horde/Alliance conflict(s) and focus on dealing with the Scourge, trolls, etc.
 
I rather doubt we'll be a superpower anytime soon. Even without the tens/hundreds of thousands of undead, there's also the trolls, ogres, gnolls, syndicate, and various other issues to deal with. I rather doubt we'll "finish" with any of that for a long time.
Personally, I'd rather we form a sort of "let's actually work to clean existing shit up before starting new crap". Ie, stay out of Horde/Alliance conflict(s) and focus on dealing with the Scourge, trolls, etc.
I agree with getting rid of the Scourge and Trolls.

Rebuild Lordaeron and getting rid of the violent small factions within the Eastern Kingdoms so that the Alliance can focus on much more important things. Stay out of the Horde-Alliance conflicts.
 
How much of an advantage will the Alliance have over the Horde if the Scarlet Crusade/KIngdom of Lordaeron and High/Blood elves join the Alliance, manage to convince the Wildhammer Dwarves and the remaining neutral Human kingdoms to also join early into the Alliance, and destroy the Forsaken?
I'd prefer to try to ressurect the Forsaken. I mean their souls are still hanging around, maybe get some bronze dragons to reverse time on their bodies...
 
I'd prefer to try to ressurect the Forsaken. I mean their souls are still hanging around, maybe get some bronze dragons to reverse time on their bodies...

Pretty sure the Bronze flight wouldn't allow something like this in the first place, and that's on the off chance that they can even DO something like that.

How much of an advantage will the Alliance have over the Horde if the Scarlet Crusade/KIngdom of Lordaeron and High/Blood elves join the Alliance, manage to convince the Wildhammer Dwarves and the remaining neutral Human kingdoms to also join early into the Alliance, and destroy the Forsaken?

They'd have near total domination of the Eastern Kingdoms save for what few Horde outposts would remain and the various other factions that would hold large amounts of territory.
 
I'm not sure the Forsaken have yet reached out to the Horde, which seems to mostly exist in Kalimdor as orcs, trolls and tauren with a few goblin buddies. Thus, if the Alliance was formed with Ironforge dwarves, Wildhammer dwarves, Lordaeron humans, Stormwind humans, High elves and Blood elves all... it'd pretty much be the dominant force in the Eastern Kingdoms.
 
I don't see why we'd ever want to mess around with necromancy after it destroyed our kingdom.
Because it would allow us to help to bring back the lost souls that are currently wandering the landscape as undead abominations and kinda want to stay alive. It's a pragmatic solution that'll hopefully prevent the Foresaken from going as retardedly evil as they did in canon.
 
Our people aren't going to be pragmatic about using the very magic that almost completely destroyed our kingdom.
 
Because it would allow us to help to bring back the lost souls that are currently wandering the landscape as undead abominations and kinda want to stay alive. It's a pragmatic solution that'll hopefully prevent the Foresaken from going as retardedly evil as they did in canon.

That works only in the other quest because they're nerubians.

We're a zealot, light bearing, paladin smashing kingdom.

To say that we're going to use necromancy is almost like hanging ourselves and jumping off the roof.

Study it to counter may be acceptable but certainly not using it.
 
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