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Wolfy said:
I mean, it looks cool - it's just not practical and you will almost never want to actually use it over flat out better option.
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Its practical as fuck, considering it lets you improvise attacks on the fly.

D-Rank noble phantasms barely cost shit when it comes to prana usage, and considering the sheer number of things that can be transformed, its versatile as fuck as well. Unless your fighting Heracles or Karna, a D rank Noble Phantasm can still kill cheaply and effectively. Not to mention stealing your opponents noble phantasm and using it against them

Plus for all we know, that limitation might be removed if Lancealot was summoned by a competent Master, rather then one who Zouken was fucking with.
 
Wolfy said:
Because those D-rank NPs still have no effects attached to them.

You have no reason to use it over Arondight, which gives you stat boost and saving throws on top of giving you weapon to use. For KoH not to be completely useless, you need to get your hands on something that is better than Arondight - which will happen approximately never.

I mean, it looks cool - it's just not practical and you will almost never want to actually use it over flat out better option.
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Had it not been for Knight of Honour, Gilgamesh's Vimana (or any other highly-mobile mount with decent defenses like Medusa's Pegasus) would've been essentially unkillable for Lancelot. These are not exactly rare unless you summoned Lancelot as a Rider.

Not to mention that if you make an alliance with a trusted Master, or end up in a Great Grail War, Knight of Honour greatly boosts the usability of certain Noble Phantasms. I mean, imagine something like Rule Breaker wielded by a Servant that is actually capable of melee'ing things.

And, of course, it also makes regular attack capable of actually hurting other Servants. So you could actually use that Tomahawk Missile as a pseudo-Broken Phantasm if need be.

Knight of Honour is a versatile Noble Phantasm rather than a powerful one, but having a cheaper option to Arondight is still preferable unless you are a monster with infinite mana.
 
Wolfy said:
Not to mention that Berserkers that can't use their skills under MA are minority nowadays, so it's not even noteworthy in that sense.
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Given that most of those skills are either passives or 'get stronk', that's not saying much. Like, literally all the skills of all the Berserker Servants are either passives, skills along the lines of 'more strength' like Monstrous Strength, or are actual skills that are weakened because the Berserker's...well, berserk.

I mean, of course shit like Galvanism and Monstrous Strength are going to work, they're skill that just exist because of what the Servant in question is. The only exceptions to what I just posted that are in the current Servant roster are Kiyohime (Stalking), Darius III (Disengage), Tamamo Cat (Witchcraft), and Nightengale (Basically all her skills). Of those four, two have EX Mad Enhancement, Darius is mentioned to be fairly obedient while under ME so he can actually use Disengage, and Tamamo is ??? until Grand Order Materials is a thing. Hell, even Kiyohime's Stalking isn't exactly something that ME would interfere with even if it wasn't EX.

Wolfy said:
Because those D-rank NPs still have no effects attached to them.
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Blatantly wrong, or did you forget how the distraction flares in the F-15 became homing firebombs that blew up Vimana? Or how the heat-seeking missiles became full on magic homing missiles that were basically like EMIYA's Hurting arrows. KoH basically amps up the innate properties of a weapon to be equal to a D-rank NP, which can do a lot.

Not to mention it gives Lancelot a lifetime's worth of experience and mastery in wielding the weapon, which is another key factor. Especially since skill can be used to amp up a Servant's attacks according to Apo. Otherwise Karna and Atalanta wouldn't be making A-rank and above attacks despite not having A-rank stats or using A-rank NPs at the time.
 
I believe Wolfy's point is more about "But muh magic laser beams!" than "Knight of Honour is useless."
 
Wow, Hippolyta's sheet is boring as hell. I usually find that Servants I already wrote are blown the fuck out by chuuni write-ups from official sources, but that is restrained to the point of blandness. I kind of hope there's some extra stuff we're missing.

Wolfy said:
Which is irrelevant when compared to someone who is sane. It merely removes his disability and levels the playing field.
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Well, no.

Sane Lancelot has all his awesome skill as a warrior.

Mad Lancelot has +Strength, +Endurance, +Agility, and all his awesome skill as a warrior.

Sane Lancelot with Arondight has +Strength, +Endurance, +Agility, and all his awesome skill as a warrior.

Mad Lancelot with Arondight has ++Strength, ++Endurance, ++Agility, and all his awesome skill as a warrior.

Wolfy said:
You have no reason to use it over Arondight, which gives you stat boost and saving throws on top of giving you weapon to use. For KoH not to be completely useless, you need to get your hands on something that is better than Arondight - which will happen approximately never.

I mean, it looks cool - it's just not practical and you will almost never want to actually use it over flat out better option.
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There are three really obvious reasons to use Knight of Honour over Arondight, actually.
  1. Knight of Honour corresponds to no "real" Noble Phantasm and does not disrupt For Someone's Glory, making it impossible to trace Lancelot's identity from it. This makes it an excellent choice for early battles when every Master is feeling out the opposition.
  2. Knight of Honour allows you to temporarily claim ranged weapons or those with other unusual properties. Though much lower-ranked, they can do things which Arondight simply cannot.
  3. Knight of Honour has a much lower mana cost than Arondight, so if you don't have a stockpile of souls or genuinely monstrous magical reserves it's an excellent option for any Master who doesn't want to shit out their own brain and die.
 
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    • Wolfy said:
    Yeah?

    Porn sells, and Japs love drawn one.

    Like, you know how FGO commissions fuckton of artists for Servant and CE art? Good chunk of them make decent income by drawing hentai.
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    let's not The term 'Jap' has long been considered an ethnic slur regardless of any abbreviational intent. @Wolfy has been given a 25 point infraction due to this post, and his previous posts in the thread using the term. Please consider your posts more carefully in the future.
     
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    • Revlid said:
    Wow, Hippolyta's sheet is boring as hell. I usually find that Servants I already wrote are blown the fuck out by chuuni write-ups from official sources, but that is restrained to the point of blandness. I kind of hope there's some extra stuff we're missing.
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    There probably is, because there was already a Q&A on what'd happen if Herakles and Hippolyta used what we now know is Ares's War Sash, and that the winner would be the 'true user' of the NP; meaning that there's likely an active form of the sash that we haven't seen yet. There's also a hidden NP for each of them on their sheets, but Herk's is 90% likely to be the Nemean Pelt while Hippolyta's is ???.

    Not to mention we still haven't seen much of her character and personality, or if she has any weird 'stuff that should be on the stat sheet but isn't' stuff like Arash's arrow creation and city-killer barrage.
     
    ZerbanDaGreat said:
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    Congratulations! Here, have some jelly seasoned with some delicious tears to celebrate the occasion.
    Nah, jokes aside, grats, hope you have fun ploughing through 90% of the opposition with him and Herc. :D

    ZerbanDaGreat said:
    Ai am da bown uf mai sord

    (sorry David and Ko-Gil)
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    Speaking as someone who's had Emiya for a long while (he is the first Servant I've raised to max level, in fact), he's not impressive. His skill set is all over the place and finds little actual use - he has solid HP so things don't often come to a point where he needs to dodge, increased crit gen is almost meaningless with his single 2-hit Quick Card (though, I suppose his NP hitting 10 times offers some use for this), and Magecraft loses points due to his NP being a Buster rather than Arts. You won't be using him for brute force much either since you have at least two Berserkers who can do that work much better. All in all, David and Ko-Gil may still be better options for their utility value since you have better primary damage dealers and Emiya doesn't have much of a role beyond that. So yeah, don't be in such a hurry to replace them.

    Still, congratulations on getting him. How many rolls was all of that, if I may ask?

    RexHeller said:
    ... So these are the servants we're getting in Hollow Order after Rome, yeah?
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    Doubtful. Zerban has promised us a female Servant so it's obvious we are getting three faces of Nero. :V Not that I would mind in the slightest.
     
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    Ferian said:
    Congratulations! Here, have some jelly seasoned with some delicious tears to celebrate the occasion.
    Nah, jokes aside, grats, hope you have fun ploughing through 90% of the opposition with him and Herc. :D


    Speaking as someone who's had Emiya for a long while (he is the first Servant I've raised to max level, in fact), he's not impressive. His skill set is all over the place and finds little actual use - he has solid HP so things don't often come to a point where he needs to dodge, increased crit gen is almost meaningless with his single 2-hit Quick Card (though, I suppose his NP hitting 10 times offers some use for this), and Magecraft loses points due to his NP being a Buster rather than Arts. You won't be using him for brute force much either since you have at least two Berserkers who can do that work much better. All in all, David and Ko-Gil may still be better options for their utility value since you have better primary damage dealers and Emiya doesn't have much of a role beyond that. So yeah, don't be in such a hurry to replace them.

    Still, congratulations on getting him. How many rolls was all of that, if I may ask?


    Doubtful. Zerban has promised us a female Servant so it's obvious we are getting three faces of Nero. :V Not that I would mind in the slightest.
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    ... Now I want Nero doing an EMIYA Install.
     
    RexHeller said:
    ... So these are the servants we're getting in Hollow Order after Rome, yeah?
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    This is funny to me on a level you can't even comprehend.
    Ferian said:
    Congratulations! Here, have some jelly seasoned with some delicious tears to celebrate the occasion.
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    Speaking of tears, that's why I got Cu Alter over the far more likely Edison. I actually have some Black Tallow, but I used all my Bloody Tears on Kerrytugu. The gacha abstractly trolled me.
    Nah, jokes aside, grats, hope you have fun ploughing through 90% of the opposition with him and Herc. :D

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    Still, congratulations on getting him. How many rolls was all of that, if I may ask?
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    Boy the dinner table's going to be awkward with so many Berserkers scrabbling to get some pie.

    I did five ten-rolls all in all. I got Herc and EMIYA on the same one, the second I believe. And I got Cu Alter on either the third or fourth, after doing the super success superstition. It sure worked!
     
    So, can someone explain to me the point of levelling up your Craft Essences?

    I thought it was to improve their effects without increasing their cost, but I finally squished my Fate/Zero CE together into one big Lv17/100 lump and the effect jumped straight to 50%. Given I kind of doubt it's going to get any higher than that… what's the point of dumping any more Craft Essences into that CE?

    …oh, god, is it just to boost that piddling stat-buff each one grants on top of its actual power? Tell me that's not it. I'd be beyond disappointed if I'd been ploughing all my shitty one-stars into that old Rin CE I picked up three of early on for nothing. That's it, isn't it?
     
    Revlid said:
    So, can someone explain to me the point of levelling up your Craft Essences?

    I thought it was to improve their effects without increasing their cost, but I finally squished my Fate/Zero CE together into one big Lv17/100 lump and the effect jumped straight to 50%. Given I kind of doubt it's going to get any higher than that… what's the point of dumping any more Craft Essences into that CE?

    …oh, god, is it just to boost that piddling stat-buff each one grants on top of its actual power? Tell me that's not it. I'd be beyond disappointed if I'd been ploughing all my shitty one-stars into that old Rin CE I picked up three of early on for nothing. That's it, isn't it?
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    Nup, that's it.
     
    Revlid said:
    So, can someone explain to me the point of levelling up your Craft Essences?

    I thought it was to improve their effects without increasing their cost, but I finally squished my Fate/Zero CE together into one big Lv17/100 lump and the effect jumped straight to 50%. Given I kind of doubt it's going to get any higher than that… what's the point of dumping any more Craft Essences into that CE?

    …oh, god, is it just to boost that piddling stat-buff each one grants on top of its actual power? Tell me that's not it. I'd be beyond disappointed if I'd been ploughing all my shitty one-stars into that old Rin CE I picked up three of early on for nothing. That's it, isn't it?
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    Pretty much, yeah. You can improve the effect one time by feeding a CE four of the same CE (which means 5* CEs get a max level of 100, 4* CEs of 80 and so on). Increasing a CEs actual level only boosts their stat bonuses.
    Which is why you often don't want to fuse two or three CEs together. Two Lvl. 20 Kaleidoscopes are more usefull than one at Lvl. 40 afterall.
     
    Revlid said:
    Blegh. What a fucking nothing.
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    Now you understand why I despair over how many high level CE's I get. They still manage to be different CE's, so it doesn't actually help me, since upgrading CE's A) takes forever and B) isn't a appreciable boost except in the most extreme circumstances. I'm better off with Fou cards.
     
    Zerbaaaaaaaaan!!
    Following your example in hopes of the seeing the great EdgeLord I made one 10-roll.
    President Leomon graced my account.
    I don't know if i want to thank you or not....considering EdgeLord was what i wanted.
    But well...A Gold Servant is a Gold Servant.

    BTW.
    Lancelot for the win, he is Best Berserker and this is the only truth.
     
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